A Cutler Comparison

[sportznutt]

Cutler wanted to leave Denver because he felt the organization was wrong in wanting to "upgrade" with Matt Cassel. He thought he was better than Cassel, and was traded to Chicago for Kyle Orton. Here are some telling stats:

Cutler - 17 INT
Cassel - 5 INT
Orton - 4 INT

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Cutler is at the top of the league in something......whining.

The guys whines almost as much as Hasselbeck.

 

[PACardsFan]

I caught his post-game interview after the game. He is the definition of "punk". I wanted to jump through the TV & hit the guy. He's whiny, he's arrogant & way overrated. Most people took the Broncos as fools for trading a guy with a golden arm, but they OBVIOUSLY knew what they were dealing with. Fans in Chicago must be sick of this guy already.

 

[sportznutt]

What did he say?

 

[Doug]

Whats amazing is I sell Football cards as just one personal hobby of mine.I love to tear open cases of cards.So I see last week that Cutler had a card sell for 2,500.00+ just for a short printed autographed rookie.

The Bears fans are so hard up to finally have gotten thier dream quarterback to finally lead them that they are paying stupid prices for his cards when he has'nt done anything yet.The key word is are paying.I wonder if that trend will continue after Thursday night.Maybe some might think he is not the so called savior many thought was a sure thing.

Many Hall Of Famers cards don't get that much money.Yet the Chicago fans seem to have so much money and are some of the best fans in all of the NFL by FAR.They are ready to shell out big coin thinking they finally got THEIR guy.This two game losing streak has probably put a stop to the major spending for a while.Yet some guy is probably crying over his card he just finally got in the mail.

I just sold a Brees/Bush/Colston trio Autograph UD Exquisite 17/20 for 350.00 just to show you the comparison in what the winners of this year in a Trio short printed card of the top card in the BIZ,to what Cutlers card got.

I mainly sell Kurt Warner's most rare cards.If anyone is ever interested let me know.I have many of him with Boldin and Fitz triple jersey cards and I better shut up now or the mods will think I'm selling on the main forum which I'm not and I would rather give away cards to my fellow CARDINAL brothers then sell them anyway.

I have tons of old CARDINALS cards like Plummer auto's I'd gladly give away if anyone is in love with the guy.Tons of other CARDINALS that did'nt make it and they have autographed rookie cards.You'd be surprised how many we've drafted that did'nt make it.I also collect rare expensive gemstones for 30 years and graded coins too.

When your retired you gotta find somethings to keep you busy.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Whats amazing is I sell Football cards as just one personal hobby of mine.I love to tear open cases of cards.So I see last week that Cutler had a card sell for 2,500.00+ just for a short printed autographed rookie.

The Bears fans are so hard up to finally have gotten thier dream quarterback to finally lead them that they are paying stupid prices for his cards when he has'nt done anything yet.The key word is are paying.I wonder if that trend will continue after Thursday night.Maybe some might think he is not the so called savior many thought was a sure thing.

Many Hall Of Famers cards don't get that much money.Yet the Chicago fans seem to have so much money and are some of the best fans in all of the NFL by FAR.They are ready to shell out big coin thinking they finally got THEIR guy.This two game losing streak has probably put a stop to the major spending for a while.Yet some guy is probably crying over his card he just finally got in the mail.

I just sold a Brees/Bush/Colston trio Autograph UD Exquisite 17/20 for 350.00 just to show you the comparison in what the winners of this year in a Trio short printed card of the top card in the BIZ,to what Cutlers card got.

I mainly sell Kurt Warner's most rare cards.If anyone is ever interested let me know.I have many of him with Boldin and Fitz triple jersey cards and I better shut up now or the mods will think I'm selling on the main forum which I'm not and I would rather give away cards to my fellow CARDINAL brothers then sell them anyway.

I have tons of old CARDINALS cards like Plummer auto's I'd gladly give away if anyone is in love with the guy.Tons of other CARDINALS that did'nt make it and they have autographed rookie cards.You'd be surprised how many we've drafted that did'nt make it.I also collect rare expensive gemstones for 30 years and graded coins too.

When your retired you gotta find somethings to keep you busy.

I have a box full of Randal Hill rookie cards. Woo hoo.

 

[ANDY440]

If you come across a Bernard Wilson card that would be cool. D lineman # 94 played for the Cards from 95 to 98

 

[RedRob]

Being a Plummer fan (yes, I'll admit it) I thought Denver was crazy to run him out of town for Cutler; the guy came across like a cocky $@hole to me (very similar to JP Losman). I'm not insinuating Plummer was their answer, just that I believe they would have won more games letting Cutler learn by riding the pine.

There were guys on this board annointing Cutler as the second coming...I still see the same cocky, self absorded d bag. I think he'll win his fair share of games in the long run, I won't be rooting for him though.

 

[chickenhead]

The book is obviously far from closed on Cutler. And he might throw 4 tds next game. But he's just not showing much discipline or maturity. Rivers has been a punk as well, but he's gotten to the point where I'm starting to not be reminded that I would have kept Brees (though my happiness for Brees' success in New Orleans probably plays a role as well).

More than anything, it makes me hope that when Leinart is given the keys to the car, he steps in with poise, rather than the cockiness of an annointed starter.

 

[Shane]

I dont really care how much Cutler whines. The dude is immensely talented. That cannon he has on his arm is about as impressive an arm I have seen in a long time. He has shown that when he has some skill level at WR (which he doesn't in CHi town) he can be pretty damned good. Lets not understate the talent level at WR he has to work with. Dont kid yourselves. Devin Hester as a #1??? Thats a friggin joke.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I dont really care how much Cutler whines. The dude is immensely talented. That cannon he has on his arm is about as impressive an arm I have seen in a long time. He has shown that when he has some skill level at WR (which he doesn't in CHi town) he can be pretty damned good. Lets not understate the talent level at WR he has to work with. Dont kid yourselves. Devin Hester as a #1??? Thats a friggin joke.

Let's run that the other way Shane. Maybe he had the relative "success" he did in Denver because he was throwing to Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, and Eddie Royal with Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris blocking for him?

C'mon bud you know better then that. You know who was "immensely" talented? Cecil Collins - He just got sentenced to life in Jail. So was Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, and on and on.

I am exhausted with teams falling in love with arms and neglecting things like accuracy (which he sucks at), pocket presence, body language, and leadership.

He is NOT a leader and not the guy you want to dig into a fox hole with. For cryin out loud he called out Devin Hester for a route in THE FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Thats when i knew he would never change his stripes.

The irony is that instead of being a punk and forcing his way out of Denver, the smartest thing he could have done is been quiet and learned from a QB guru like McDaniels and maybe that could have turned around the talented but inconsitent label he has.

Instead he now has Ron Turner. LOL. Good job Jay.

It might sound absurd but Leinart will have a better career then him. I am fully confident in that and I wouldn't trade Jay for him straight up. At least Leinart was a winner at some point. Jay has NEVER been able to get it done unless he has some YMCA trophies I am not familiar with.

This guy has Jeff George written all over him.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I dont really care how much Cutler whines. The dude is immensely talented. That cannon he has on his arm is about as impressive an arm I have seen in a long time. He has shown that when he has some skill level at WR (which he doesn't in CHi town) he can be pretty damned good. Lets not understate the talent level at WR he has to work with. Dont kid yourselves. Devin Hester as a #1??? Thats a friggin joke.

Let's also not forget that Shanahan made Joke Plummer and Brian Griese into legitimate QB's. Cutler is not a good QB. I could care less how strong he can throw it when he has no clue where or to whom it's going.

The guy's Jeff George 2.0 at best.

 

[dogpoo32]

Let's run that the other way Shane. Maybe he had the relative "success" he did in Denver because he was throwing to Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, and Eddie Royal with Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris blocking for him?

C'mon bud you know better then that. You know who was "immensely" talented? Cecil Collins - He just got sentenced to life in Jail. So was Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, and on and on.

I am exhausted with teams falling in love with arms and neglecting things like accuracy (which he sucks at), pocket presence, body language, and leadership.

He is NOT a leader and not the guy you want to dig into a fox hole with. For cryin out loud he called out Devin Hester for a route in THE FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Thats when i knew he would never change his stripes.

The irony is that instead of being a punk and forcing his way out of Denver, the smartest thing he could have done is been quiet and learned from a QB guru like McDaniels and maybe that could have turned around the talented but inconsitent label he has.

Instead he now has Ron Turner. LOL. Good job Jay.

It might sound absurd but Leinart will have a better career then him. I am fully confident in that and I wouldn't trade Jay for him straight up. At least Leinart was a winner at some point. Jay has NEVER been able to get it done unless he has some YMCA trophies I am not familiar with.

This guy has Jeff George written all over him.

The final play of the game gives a clue as to how he cannot make good decisions. He forced a throw that ended up nowhere near its intended target. All the talent in the world does not make a good QB. Sure Olson is his only decent receiver, but it was clear that SF was not going to let it be Olson who beats them.

 

[Shane]

Let's run that the other way Shane. Maybe he had the relative "success" he did in Denver because he was throwing to Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, and Eddie Royal with Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris blocking for him?

C'mon bud you know better then that. You know who was "immensely" talented? Cecil Collins - He just got sentenced to life in Jail. So was Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, and on and on.

I am exhausted with teams falling in love with arms and neglecting things like accuracy (which he sucks at), pocket presence, body language, and leadership.

He is NOT a leader and not the guy you want to dig into a fox hole with. For cryin out loud he called out Devin Hester for a route in THE FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Thats when i knew he would never change his stripes.

The irony is that instead of being a punk and forcing his way out of Denver, the smartest thing he could have done is been quiet and learned from a QB guru like McDaniels and maybe that could have turned around the talented but inconsitent label he has.

Instead he now has Ron Turner. LOL. Good job Jay.

It might sound absurd but Leinart will have a better career then him. I am fully confident in that and I wouldn't trade Jay for him straight up. At least Leinart was a winner at some point. Jay has NEVER been able to get it done unless he has some YMCA trophies I am not familiar with.

This guy has Jeff George written all over him.

Nobody ever said he was mature or a natural leader. However those are things that he can change as he grows older. Also calling Hester out for running a wrong route? Talk about chincy! What the hell is he supposed to do? Go into a clam shell and let Hester continue to screw up? Hester is a no talent WR to begin with why let him run worse or wrong routes on top of it? That sounds like something a QB should do to me.

Lets not throw crap out there and try and make it stick when its not exactly true. For example saying he lacks accuracy? Come on bro get real. Cutler has a career comp percentage of 63% which is hardly chopped liver and in fact damned good! You have guys like Favre and Elway at 61% and 56% respectively. Dont try and say he just dinks and dunks it either because his YPA is at 7.3 better than both HOFers I mentioned who are at 7.1 for their careers.

One of those HOFers I mentioned above (Elway) was also considered a whiny baby for much of his career and was largely loved just because of his tendency for come back victories and cannon arm until he finally won his two SB's in the twilight of that career. He turned that "whiny" perception (which wasnt really a perception it was fact) around LATER in his career.


"Cecil Collins - He just got sentenced to life in Jail. So was Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, and on and on."



Come on bro? For real? Cutler has already far surpassed all four of those for league accomplishments. That's just laughable.

I like Matt Leinart a lot and believe he has some of those leadership intangibles that Cutler lacks. But from a talent and accomplishments level I would take Cutler all day long over Matt and its not even close.

 

[Renz]

Before the season, the Cutler jockers were saying that he was going to make all of his receivers in Chicago better. That hasn't happened, to say the least.

Being able to "make all the throws" doesn't make someone a good QB. Cutler's not a leader and not a winner and probably never will be.

 

[vince56]

If you come across a Bernard Wilson card that would be cool. D lineman # 94 played for the Cards from 95 to 98

wow, that is seriously random.

 

[ajcardfan]

I'm amused by how many people feel it necessary to make excuses for the guy. It was going on during the game last night, on the post game shows, and around the water coolers.

Me, I don't care if he had 60 year old nuns for WRs he made a bunch of SUCKY plays.

I'll say what I've always said about the guy (especially since it looks like it might be right ). He'll be just good enough to put up good stats, and yet always break hearts by never being a real winner.

 

[Russ Smith]

Let's run that the other way Shane. Maybe he had the relative "success" he did in Denver because he was throwing to Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, and Eddie Royal with Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris blocking for him?


This guy has Jeff George written all over him.

I agree with the last statement but look at the first one and you'll see all their numbers are down this year without Cutler, especially Royal, Cutler is a big play guy and Orton isn't.

But obviously Orton isn't making the big mistakes that Cutler makes and that and a MUCH improved defense is why Denver has a better team now.

Cutler just has to get control of his emotions, he just needs to calm down and learn to throw the ball away.

That last pick last night was the worst, even Millen recognized that with 8 seconds and no timeouts they only had time for 2 plays so "you can't wait for something to develop, the ball has to come out." So what does Cutler do, hesitate, step up in the pocket and then throw a pick. If nobody was open he should have thrown the ball out of the back of the endzone and ran one more play. Then if nobody is open you take the risk because it's the last play anyways.

 

[Pariah]

Nobody ever said he was mature or a natural leader. However those are things that he can change as he grows older.

Actually, by definition, you can't lean to be a natural leader. You either are or your aren't. He's not.

 

[Shane]

I'm amused by how many people feel it necessary to make excuses for the guy. It was going on during the game last night, on the post game shows, and around the water coolers.

Me, I don't care if he had 60 year old nuns for WRs he made a bunch of SUCKY plays.

I'll say what I've always said about the guy (especially since it looks like it might be right ). He'll be just good enough to put up good stats, and yet always break hearts by never being a real winner.

You could say the same thing about Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and others.... Takes the perfect storm to be a "winner" in the NFL few QB's do it on their own. Then you have QB's like Dilfer who blow and have a SB ring.

Will be interesting to see where he is stats wise and win/loss wise in about 10 years.

 

[Shane]

Actually, by definition, you can't lean to be a natural leader. You either are or your aren't. He's not.

You can grow into being a leader is what I meant.

 

[Shane]

I agree with the last statement but look at the first one and you'll see all their numbers are down this year without Cutler, especially Royal, Cutler is a big play guy and Orton isn't.

But obviously Orton isn't making the big mistakes that Cutler makes and that and a MUCH improved defense is why Denver has a better team now.

Cutler just has to get control of his emotions, he just needs to calm down and learn to throw the ball away.

That last pick last night was the worst, even Millen recognized that with 8 seconds and no timeouts they only had time for 2 plays so "you can't wait for something to develop, the ball has to come out." So what does Cutler do, hesitate, step up in the pocket and then throw a pick. If nobody was open he should have thrown the ball out of the back of the endzone and ran one more play. Then if nobody is open you take the risk because it's the last play anyways.

You dont think that with that current D and Cutler at QB that team would be even better?

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm amused by how many people feel it necessary to make excuses for the guy. It was going on during the game last night, on the post game shows, and around the water coolers.

Me, I don't care if he had 60 year old nuns for WRs he made a bunch of SUCKY plays.

I'll say what I've always said about the guy (especially since it looks like it might be right ). He'll be just good enough to put up good stats, and yet always break hearts by never being a real winner.

I think it's because the physical tools are so good you just assume eventually he'll get it. But he's far from the first guy in that situation who doesn't get it and fails.

I get why the Broncos made the change they knew what they had in Plummer and they knew in the playoffs when they fell behind, Plummer wasn't good enough to win the game in the air and they figured they'd have a better chance with Cutler. Cutler's first 2 full years he showed a lot of promise mixed in with lots of mistakes.

The problem now is that he just hasn't learned to throw the ball away and hope for better results on the next play, by this point in his career the fact that he hasn't learned that has to scare people.

The other thing is Shanahan for all his flaws was an absolute miracle worker with QB's, he got career years out of just about everyone he coached and made them better players. Steve Young to this day credits him for turning his NFL career around. Cutler spent 3 years under him which you would think would be long enough to soak up something but it appears like he's regressed this year without Shanahan.

If he gets in the same situation George did with the Vikings I expect it could be awfully good, but I am starting to suspect he's going to be a perennial what could have been type player because he just doesn't get the mental part of football.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Nobody ever said he was mature or a natural leader. However those are things that he can change as he grows older. Also calling Hester out for running a wrong route? Talk about chincy! What the hell is he supposed to do? Go into a clam shell and let Hester continue to screw up? Hester is a no talent WR to begin with why let him run worse or wrong routes on top of it? That sounds like something a QB should do to me.

Lets not throw crap out there and try and make it stick when its not exactly true. For example saying he lacks accuracy? Come on bro get real. Cutler has a career comp percentage of 63% which is hardly chopped liver and in fact damned good! You have guys like Favre and Elway at 61% and 56% respectively. Dont try and say he just dinks and dunks it either because his YPA is at 7.3 better than both HOFers I mentioned who are at 7.1 for their careers.

One of those HOFers I mentioned above (Elway) was also considered a whiny baby for much of his career and was largely loved just because of his tendency for come back victories and cannon arm until he finally won his two SB's in the twilight of that career. He turned that "whiny" perception (which wasnt really a perception it was fact) around LATER in his career.


"Cecil Collins - He just got sentenced to life in Jail. So was Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, and on and on."



Come on bro? For real? Cutler has already far surpassed all four of those for league accomplishments. That's just laughable.

I like Matt Leinart a lot and believe he has some of those leadership intangibles that Cutler lacks. But from a talent and accomplishments level I would take Cutler all day long over Matt and its not even close.

That episode with Hester was the first time the Bears had played a game together. Your going to tell me thats okay on ANY level?

We will just have to agree to disagree. Am I saying he is as bad as any of those bustolas mentioned? No. Might those guys careers have been alot better had they started with Mike Shananhan and had all the weapons I mentioned in my earlier post? Who knows.

What we can say definitely now is that Cutler is INT prone, that he does not exhibit characteristics you would want out of a QB (even though that can change as you mentioned) and that so far he hasn't made the inferior players really any better.

I mean c'mon, that 9ers team they played last night is hot garbage. That was one of the worst games I have seen on both sides in awhile. If Cutler is half way good he puts that team on his back and wins that game. But in the end he just threw another pick.

I thought he was overatted going into this season and nothing I have seen has changed that opinion.

 

[Russ Smith]

You dont think that with that current D and Cutler at QB that team would be even better?

I think the passing offense would be better but I am not sure the team would be. Cutler threw 18 picks last year too. Also as I mentioned in another post, not having Shanahan hurts him, Shanahan was always in his ear and he seems to still need that. Lovie Smith is a defensive guy.