A Dilemma of Moore or Less

[AZman5103]

He runs through scrubs in college. Wait until he meets the bigger, faster NFL guys who can actually tackle.

Maybe. I guess we will see. I would love to see Patrick Peterson try to tackle him one on one...and hes going to the HOF.

 

[BritCard]

Maybe. I guess we will see. I would love to see Patrick Peterson try to tackle him one on one...and hes going to the HOF.

I'm not sure we can use P2 as a barometer for NFL tackling

 

[PACardsFan]

He runs through scrubs in college. Wait until he meets the bigger, faster NFL guys who can actually tackle.

He played in the Big 10. It’s not like he played at UMass.

 

[AZman5103]

I'm not sure we can use P2 as a barometer for NFL tackling

HAHA...I know. Im just saying...will he be able to run over everyone, of course not. Does he have the power and strength to run over an NFL guy who is a half hearted tackler....yes he sure does!

I like that trait. How about this quote from one of the A grades I read today:

"Over the past three seasons, Moore maintained or gained speed after contact on insides routes at the highest rate of any receiver in FBS. The ability to use Moore out of the backfield and in creative pre-snap alignments adds a great layer to the playbook."

 

[cardncubfan]

https://www.nfl.com/videos/bur-less...be-the-most-exciting-player-in-the-21-draft-c

Great video on Moore.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's officially 4.33 but he doesn't look that quick on film. He's not slow, but he's no burner.

Most concerning is Andy Isabella's college tape is full of him burning people downfield. I don't see any of that in Moore's film.

LOL who cares what it "looks" like. Rondale Moore was consistently clocked at 21 mph with gps devices. That's stupid fast.

He doubled up the rest of his team combined every game. He's fast.

 

[Shane]

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Arizona Cardinals
Day 2 draft picks

• Purdue WR Rondale Moore (No. 49 overall)

Day 1 grade: A-


Analysis: I had Moore going to the Cardinals at No. 49 in my seven-round mock draft, adding some much-needed competition among the group of receivers (former second-rounders Christian Kirk, Andy Isabella) battling for targets opposite DeAndre Hopkins and A.J. Green. Moore will give the offense a boost if he can stay healthy. The Cardinals traded their third-round pick to the Raiders for center Rodney Hudson earlier this offseason. He’ll a big upgrade at that position.

 

[Garthshort]

It's officially 4.33 but he doesn't look that quick on film. He's not slow, but he's no burner.

Most concerning is Andy Isabella's college tape is full of him burning people downfield. I don't see any of that in Moore's film.

Brit, were you the guy who said that RM was a body catcher and less athletic than AI?

 

[BritCard]

Brit, were you the guy who said that RM was a body catcher and less athletic than AI?

Indeed, there's a lot of body catching on his tape. That may well be because he receives a lot of short balls, but never the less there's not a lot of film of him high pointing balls.

The athleticism thing I will withdrawn. That was a comment based on the NGS tweet someone posted that had Isabella 98 and Moore 92. Not sure how NGS worked that out as Moore beat Isabella in every test. By some distance.

 

[PJ1]

Cardinals are hardly the only ones high on this guy. Read publications that said he could go in round 1. But, I don't see drafting a guy based in his play in 2018. Certainly not in round 2. Add to that he is short and now has a QB that misses high. I just don't understand this pick.

 

[Garthshort]

PJ, hopefully come August you'll understand. And that applies to all of us.

 

[Russ Smith]

Indeed, there's a lot of body catching on his tape. That may well be because he receives a lot of short balls, but never the less there's not a lot of film of him high pointing balls.

The athleticism thing I will withdrawn. That was a comment based on the NGS tweet someone posted that had Isabella 98 and Moore 92. Not sure how NGS worked that out as Moore beat Isabella in every test. By some distance.

Remember the tapes of Isabella beating guys in college were mostly guys who are nowhere near NFL rosters now. He had agreat game against Georgia and that's really what got Andy drafted so high, people said see that's an SEC team and he played great against them.

Moore was in the Big 10 so he was playing week after week against better talent. He had 12 for 170 and 2 TD's against TOSU as a freshman. The only SEC team they played was Auburn he had 11 for 93 no TD's in a loss. Soph year 13 for 220 against Vandy SEC but Vandy not Georgia or Bama of course.

If he's the Moore as a freshman we'll all be happy, if not we might not be but I'd be pretty surprised if he's inactive on game days when healthy like Andy has been several times over 2 years

 

[overseascardfan]

When you are only 5'7" you don't have to move the bar very far. Normally the worlds best squatters are the shorter guys.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk but what is your point? You can overdevelop muscles no matter how tall you are. My point is how does squatting 600 pounds make him better than squatting say 315 - 400 pounds. Look at Saquan Barkley, he's has numerous leg injuries despite his impressive leg strength. You want range of motion and flexibility with joints and muscles, lifting really heavy weight restricts that.

 

[BritCard]

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk but what is your point? You can overdevelop muscles no matter how tall you are. My point is how does squatting 600 pounds make him better than squatting say 315 - 400 pounds. Look at Saquan Barkley, he's has numerous leg injuries despite his impressive leg strength. You want range of motion and flexibility with joints and muscles, lifting really heavy weight restricts that.

My point is that squatting 600lbs when you are 6'4" is more impressive than when you're 5'7". It's impressive either way, just easier when you are short.

 

[cardsfanmd]

He runs through scrubs in college. Wait until he meets the bigger, faster NFL guys who can actually tackle.

He ran through Ohio state for 194 all purpose yards. Those guys are nfl players...

 

[overseascardfan]

An NFL Trainer can easily tone his legs down if need be. What is more concerning are the twitchy guys with stick legs that have hammy issues. Squatting 600 lbs at 180 is ridiculous. I was on the powerlifting competition circuit for 5-6 years & that’s a feat. I started in the 181 class, so I can appreciate that. I thickened up & had to move to 202. An old college baseball injury (severe groin pull) prevented me from ever trying 600. There were roided guys who did more, but I only competed in the steroid free events when you actually got tested beforehand. I can look at the pics of Moore and tell you he never did steroids.

I'm sure he isn't taking roids but his game is predicated on speed due to his lack of height, the leg injuries he's suffered if not corrected as you say by NFL trainers toning him down will continue to hamper him.

Like you, weightlifting is a justification for being able to lift that much weight but playing football requires you to be able to move fast especially if you're playing WR.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's officially 4.33 but he doesn't look that quick on film. He's not slow, but he's no burner.

Most concerning is Andy Isabella's college tape is full of him burning people downfield. I don't see any of that in Moore's film.

Don’t think he plays to his timed speed but he has more suddenness, balance, and strength to his game. Plenty of speed but likely not game SEE-YA! speed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He runs through scrubs in college. Wait until he meets the bigger, faster NFL guys who can actually tackle.

Like Patrick Peterson?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Maybe. I guess we will see. I would love to see Patrick Peterson try to tackle him one on one...and hes going to the HOF.

Lol. Beat me to it!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Arizona Cardinals
Day 2 draft picks

• Purdue WR Rondale Moore (No. 49 overall)

Day 1 grade: A-


Analysis: I had Moore going to the Cardinals at No. 49 in my seven-round mock draft, adding some much-needed competition among the group of receivers (former second-rounders Christian Kirk, Andy Isabella) battling for targets opposite DeAndre Hopkins and A.J. Green. Moore will give the offense a boost if he can stay healthy. The Cardinals traded their third-round pick to the Raiders for center Rodney Hudson earlier this offseason. He’ll a big upgrade at that position.

Did they blur out the logo to protect the identity of the innocent?

 

[Shane]

Did they blur out the logo to protect the identity of the innocent?

Lol

 

[QuebecCard]

Cardinals are hardly the only ones high on this guy. Read publications that said he could go in round 1. But, I don't see drafting a guy based in his play in 2018. Certainly not in round 2. Add to that he is short and now has a QB that misses high. I just don't understand this pick.

Not worried about KM hitting him given the number of times Isabella dropped balls that HIT him in the chest.

 

[Russ Smith]

If I wanted to nitpick the pick I'd point out other than screens most of the passes you see Moore catch and do damage with are passes where he's going over the middle, and that's where Kyler has struggled the most so far. But maybe that's the point, get a guy who can really do damage over the middle? I love Fitz too but when he catches the ball over the middle now he looks for someone to run into, goes down and then sprints over and hands the ball to the ref, he just doesn't have any twitch left to do anything after the catch.

We knew we needed a YAC receiver, Waddle was gone, Moore and Atwell were the most likely guys when we picked and Atwell makes Moore look huge.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He runs through scrubs in college. Wait until he meets the bigger, faster NFL guys who can actually tackle.

You can say this about every player that has ever been drafted...

Every RB or WR ever had to eventually prove that his speed, quickness, elusiveness and tackle breaking will work against the bigger, stronger and more athletic NFL players.

The plus side for Moore over many other guys is that he showed an ability to beat tacklers in many different ways. Using strength, speed, quickness and elusiveness at different times to beat tacklers.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You can say this about every player that has ever been drafted...

Every RB or WR ever had to eventually prove that his speed, quickness, elusiveness and tackle breaking will work against the bigger, stronger and more athletic NFL players.

The plus side for Moore over many other guys is that he showed an ability to beat tacklers in many different ways. Using strength, speed, quickness and elusiveness at different times to beat tacklers.

Good point. Not every skill position has that many tools.