A Guess As To What happens With Q, KD, DD and AW

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The person who probably knows better than anyone just how in earnest the Cardinals were in trading Q is the Bears' GM Jerry Angleo. He made his offer of the #49 pick in this past draft for Q public. We know the Cardinals refused that offer. The question is: did the Cardinals, in response to Angelo's offer, try to ask for a player and/or another draft pick to go along with the #49 pick? If they did try to work with Angelo, then the Cardinals were in earnest about making a deal. If they flatly refused the offer without a counter proposal, the Cardinals were very probably not in eanest about trading Q....which is what Q believes, for right or for wrong.

Dan Bickley reported in his Sunday's column that Q feels "embarrassed" about the questionable way in which the Cardinals went about their so-called intention to "listen" to trade offers.

If Bickley is right and one certainly has every reason to believe he is, then Q's situation with the Cardinals is even more acrimonious than it has ever been.

Add to this scenario the comments Ken Whisenhunt made about Q's and DD's "seasonal allergies." If you recall, Q was extremely unhappy with Whisenhunt last year for meddling in his negotiations. Chances are very likley that Q's disdain for Whisenhunt and the entire Cardinal adminstration is hitting an all-time crescendo.

Furthermore, the thought of playing another year under the same old contract after being further humiliated by the organization is not the least bit palatable for him. This is what prompted him to say that he did not know what he would do regarding the rest of the off-season and training camp.

This scenario is getting uglier and more imminent by the minute.

So, what is the most likely resolution?

First of all, it strongly appears that Q's situation with the Cardinals is now irreparable. Even if the Cardinals were to offer Q a new contract, he would scoff at that attempt now (unless it's for Fitz money...and we know that ain't gonna happen), because it would be below what he believes he's worth and he would feel as if the Cardinals manipulated a lower offer through their recent perfunctory trade offer "listenings" and what those little offers meant to the perception of Q's value around the league.

Can Boldin withstand another year played under his current contract for an organization he absolutely abhors? Q got through last year because in his mind he was auditioning for a trade. This year will be much much harder and might even be impossible.

In my opinion, Q is so deserate to leave Arizona that he will tell Rosenhaus that he will accept a trade in which he will play for his new team under his current contract for this year, with the intention of negotiating on a new deal next spring before the last year of his current contract expires.

If this is the tact that Q and Rosenhaus adopt, and if the Cardinals are still willing to "listen" to trade offers, we will then know what Q's real market value is in terms of a trade (Note: it is not fair to judge Q's value around the league based on what teams would have had to give up for Boldin and what they would have to pay him immediately...if he takes the immediate new contract out of the equation, he becomes an instant bargain for a contender). Under these terms, I can imagine Q will have numerous suitors and the Cardinals will be in a position to trade Q for the kind of value they want in return.

At this point what kind of a deal would be of interest to the Cardinals? I could see a scenario where a player or two and a 2010 2nd round pick (with the condition that it becomes a 1st round pick if Q leads their team in receptions, or surpasses 1,000 yards, or is selected to the Pro Bowl again).

For example, what if the Ravens were to offer OLB Antwan Barnes, C Chris Chester and their 2010 2nd rounder (conditional on being a 1st, as mentioned before)? Barnes would give the Cardinals a good young pass rusher who already has two years of experience, thus filling an immediate need. Chester would challenge Lyle Sendelin for the starting center spot and make the offensive line depth stronger. And the draft pick could still be a first rounder.

Is this a deal the Ravens could propose? While they would hate to give up Antwan Barnes, who is Terrell Suggs' backup on the right side and situational rusher in the nickel, he and the draft pick would be the keys to the deal. Chester is more expendable in the sense that the Ravens signed Matt Birk as their starting center and they can kick G Jason Brown down to center if Birk gets injured. And let's not forget that the Ravens did not come out of this draft with a WR, having elected to take T Michael Oher with the #26 pick (still reeling over losing out on TE Brandon Pettigrew who went to the Lions at #20). Adding Boldin would be a coup for them and just what they need and would catapault them into being perceived as serious Super Bowl contenders.

This is just one trade scenario to ponder. There probably would be several others. Come up with one yourself. I'd love to hear any proposals you could think of.

KD:

Dansby said this past weekend that he's "not worried about" his contract. Yup. That's a fact. He's not worried about his contract because all indications are he has no intention of working out a new contract this year. He wants his cool guaranteed $9M for this year, and then he wants to "make a splash" in free agency next year.

Unfortunately, it looks like the Cardinals are going to have to bite the bullet on this one. They didn't sign a free agent LB to be the heir apparent to Dansby yet, although they might make a strong pitch to sign Larry Foote when he gets released as expected by the Steelers. The Cardinals did not draft an ILB. Thus, Dansby will stay and will be playing his last year in Arizona. He should be highly motivated, seeing as he is rolling the dice on what he will be able to earn in a contract next year, and this is a calculated risk, especially when he is turning down what could amount to be close to $20M in guanteed money over the duration of a new contract.

DD:

Status quo all the way with Dockett. He is signed through 2011, and the Cardinals, unlike with the Q situation, have been adamant with Dockett that they have no intention of redoing his deal.

Will Dockett sit out and make a huge fuss? If the Q situation remains in flux, Dockett will have company...but if Q is traded, Dockett would be acting as a lone wolf, and that would be harder for him to pull off.

Would the Cardinals consider trading Dockett? No, not unless they got a 34DE in return that they think would be comparable in ability and production...and the likelihood of that is slim.

AW:

This is the one deal that gets done. It's AW's turn to cash in on a new deal. He's earned it, he's been patient and he's heading into the last year of his contract. The new contract will make him a Cardinal for life, and will likely be a 5 year deal with guaranteed money in the teens.

And the beat rolls on...Mitc
 

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Q:

The person who probably knows better than anyone just how in earnest the Cardinals were in trading Q is the Bears' GM Jerry Angleo. He made his offer of the #49 pick in this past draft for Q public. We know the Cardinals refused that offer. The question is: did the Cardinals, in response to Angelo's offer, try to ask for a player and/or another draft pick to go along with the #49 pick? If they did try to work with Angelo, then the Cardinals were in earnest about making a deal. If they flatly refused the offer without a counter proposal, the Cardinals were very probably not in eanest about trading Q....which is what Q believes, for right or for wrong.

That is not true. The Bears do not have a 1st this year or next year, so why would Graves send a counter offer if you know the Bears do not have what he wants.
 

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If Anquan doesn't work with the staff, he's going to find himself riding the pine and nothing else. It might be he becomes a healthy scratch if he becomes a disruption.

Or he can REMAIN totally professional AND be an integral part in the Cardinals continued resurgence.

He can swallow his pride just a tad, he can help take this team on his back to a SB victory and then get his Fitz deal. Which he will have earned. They shouldn't begrudge him that , then. If I were the Cardinals, and I could offer him a deal this year, I'd put a SB claus in it, that If we won it at any time after the upcoming season during the contracts tenure, he'd earn Fitz money. Until then, it's whatever the deal would be. 7, 8 , 9 - whatever. Now that would be interesting to see!

Heck even Fitz needs to continue what he's been doing to earn Fitz bucks $$$$. :D
 

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The Cardinals never claimed to be earnestly looking for a trade. Q has no room and he knows it. The Cards were playing it smart. If they had an offer for a 1st, 3rd and 5th, they would have considered it. We have a player who signed a four year contract. After the first year the player wanted to re-negotiate. We are talking about a 20+MILLION dollar contract.

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That is not true. The Bears do not have a 1st this year or next year, so why would Graves send a counter offer if you know the Bears do not have what he wants.

Yes, you're right, BUT, the Cardinals could have asked for a player and another draft pick, could they not?

RG said all along that the Cardinals did not have set draft pick expectations like the 1st and the 3rd that the media was projecting because of the Roy Williams deal.

My point is...if the Cardinals were willing to create a package for Q that worked in their favor they could have tried to bargain with Angelo for another player and/or draft pick (like the Bears' 3rd rounder as well). The question is: did they try to work with Angelo or did they just dismiss the offer? What's your guess?
 

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The question is: did they try to work with Angelo or did they just dismiss the offer? What's your guess?

I don't think the Cardinals attempted to work with anyone. They sat back and let teams come to them. The market was poor, they were not in a position of need to deal Q and they didn't.

Bottom line the Cardinals showed Boldin that there wasn't a market for him, basically calling his bluff.
 
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If Anquan doesn't work with the staff, he's going to find himself riding the pine and nothing else. It might be he becomes a healthy scratch if he becomes a disruption.

Or he can REMAIN totally professional AND be an integral part in the Cardinals continued resurgence.

He can swallow his pride just a tad, he can help take this team on his back to a SB victory and then get his Fitz deal. Which he will have earned. They shouldn't begrudge him that , then. If I were the Cardinals, and I could offer him a deal this year, I'd put a SB claus in it, that If we won it at any time after the upcoming season during the contracts tenure, he'd earn Fitz money. Until then, it's whatever the deal would be. 7, 8 , 9 - whatever. Now that would be interesting to see!

The problem I have with your arguments, WBB, and I think your proposal is an excellent one is that I think there's a perception that this year can follow suit with last year and that Q will just be a pro in the games and slip out the back door afterward.

I really do not see that happening this year. You used the term "disruption." I think that's what's bound to happen. This issue is too white-hot to just simmer down.
 
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I don't think the Cardinals attempted to work with anyone. They sat back and let teams come to them. The market was poor, they were not in a position of need to deal Q and they didn't.

Bottom line the Cardinals showed Boldin that there wasn't a market for him, basically calling his bluff.

I agree with you Ryan. How do you think that makes Q feel? That answer is at the gist of the acrimony.
 

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The Cards simply said they were open to listen to offers and that they wanted him to be part of the team. It was the other teams job to come with offers that would knock the FO's socks off. For a guy that wants $10M per year the offer should knock the socks off. A R2/49 does not qualify. Do you think the Jets pussyfooted around to get the #5 pick? No they went after it.
 
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I love reading your articles.

Based on your last response, this one would clearly have to be sarcastic.

All I or anyone can ask for is for a little respect. If you object to the thread...if you think it's excessively long or a waste of your time, then do the classy thing and move on.

Otherwise, offer a thoughtful response that would add to the discussion rather than denigrate it.
 

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The question is: did they try to work with Angelo or did they just dismiss the offer? What's your guess?

My guess is, we will never know. Neither will Anquan, and that is probably the main problem. While he goes around screaming for a new contract and insinuate all kind of things about this organization to the media, he most likely really have no idea as to whether they actually did try everything to make him happy.

I love Anquan, I want to win, but I have to admit that as this show goes on I am beginning to wonder if it is really worth it.
 

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Yes, you're right, BUT, the Cardinals could have asked for a player and another draft pick, could they not?

RG said all along that the Cardinals did not have set draft pick expectations like the 1st and the 3rd that the media was projecting because of the Roy Williams deal.

My point is...if the Cardinals were willing to create a package for Q that worked in their favor they could have tried to bargain with Angelo for another player and/or draft pick (like the Bears' 3rd rounder as well). The question is: did they try to work with Angelo or did they just dismiss the offer? What's your guess?

What exactly could the Bears offer us that would be worth giving up a Pro Bowler for? I can't really think of anything and I seriously doubt that they would have accepted any trade that would remotely come close to equal value.
 
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The Cards simply said they were open to listen to offers and that they wanted him to be part of the team. It was the other teams job to come with offers that would knock the FO's socks off. For a guy that wants $10M per year the offer should knock the socks off. A R2/49 does not qualify. Do you think the Jets pussyfooted around to get the #5 pick? No they went after it.

I think you are right, Reddog...but...my point is the way things turned out did nothing to appease Q...in fact quite the opposite...Q is in a worse place morale-wise than where he was at the end of the season. How has that helped the situation? It has worsened it.

Is Q supposed to learn a great lesson from this? Do you honestly think he has?

Will he suddenly arrive at an epiphany where he realizes that he has the greatest gig in the world and that he's ready to be the consummate teammate and pro again? Do you think Q has the humility to accept that his value around the league is not what he thinks it is or what it should be?

He thinks he's been jobbed. There's no question about it.

And maintaining the status quo in this case does not help anyone...not Q, not the organization and most of all, not the team.

That's how bad this has gotten.
 

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I think you are right, Reddog...but...my point is the way things turned out did nothing to appease Q...in fact quite the opposite...Q is in a worse place morale-wise than where he was at the end of the season. How has that helped the situation? It has worsened it.

Is Q supposed to learn a great lesson from this? Do you honestly think he has?

Will he suddenly arrive at an epiphany where he realizes that he has the greatest gig in the world and that he's ready to be the consummate teammate and pro again? Do you think Q has the humility to accept that his value around the league is not what he thinks it is or what it should be?

He thinks he's been jobbed. There's no question about it.

And maintaining the status quo in this case does not help anyone...not Q, not the organization and most of all, not the team.

That's how bad this has gotten.


:thumbup:

And for the record, I kinda like the fact that he did get jobbed! I love how Whiz is toying with him over the fake hammy injury too!
 

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I agree with you Ryan. How do you think that makes Q feel? That answer is at the gist of the acrimony.

Q and DD didn't have to re-sign their current contracts.

They did.

Wait until next year for Q and 2 years for DD.

They won't sit out very long, missing game checks.

And if they continue to be a bitch about things, then they will get even more of a label as difficult players and hurt their potential with eventual suitors.
 

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This is just one trade scenario to ponder. There probably would be several others. Come up with one yourself. I'd love to hear any proposals you could think of.

I will try.

I think it would be a big mistake to ever rule out the Cowboys and Jerry Jones. He always does whatever he can to win, even if it means bringing in guys like Pacman Jones.
I would imagine that he wants to win even more this year, as the 2011 Super Bowl is being held in his new temple, and he will probably do anything to bring his team to that game. But the chance of that happening is bigger if he collects his super team now. I could definately see him going for a replacement for Owens, even though Roy Williams seem to be that guy.
So I am thinking he would be willing to give up his first round pick from 2008, Anthony Spencer, seeing as he has not yet conquered a starting place. I think Spencer is highly talented, and would be a force of the edge.
If I am right, and Jerry Jones will pony up for Boldin, he could probably be talked into giving his second or third round draft choice in 2010.

Just like with Jerry Jones, I will never rule out Dan Snyder and the Washington Redskins. These two owners loves to bring in high profile players, and Boldin would certainly sell some jerseys in Washington. The Redskins might also be somewhat desperate after a reliable wide receiver to go along with Santana Moss. They drafted both Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas a year ago, but both have been disappointments.
I think something like Andre Carter and their second round pick next year should do it. Carter is maybe not the best pass rusher out there, but he is not a disaster either.

If Snyder and Jones are played out against each other, maybe Graves could get even more.
That could maybe meen Anthony Montgomery from Washington along with Carter and the pick, or perhaps Anthony Spencer and an even higher draft pick from Dallas.

The Jets are looking for a wideout, if the media can be trusted for once.
To me, almost any deal the would make David Harris a Cardinal would be worth it. I think he is a fantastic inside linebacker. But I am pretty sure that a defensive mind like Rex Ryan can see that too, just as he probably knows that Vernon Gholston can do more than he did in his rookie year.
So I have to go with draft picks here. I simply do not see what players they would offer. But I think they are a possibility.

I think those three teams might be the most likely to acquire Boldin, if he is traded at all.
Please feel free to comment.
 

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It seems like a lot of Q's problem is that he expected the world to beat a path to the Cards facility to offer anything to get him. One call for a second round pick is hardly worth answering the phone.

Drew would love to claim it's all the Cards fault -- partly because that's one of the old standby excuses. "It's always the Cards fault." But it wasn't the Cards who proclaimed that Arizona could win as easily without Boldin as with Boldin (the press did that during the playoffs) or that the best receiver was clearly a guy named Fitz, or that Steve Breaston could step in easily.

After the T.O. saga, I think teams were doubly cautious of another Rosenhaus player with impossible expectations. Q may well be embarassed -- but as far as blame goes, he needs to look in a mirror.

The best way out of this is to first fire his agent, pure and simple. A new agent can come in clean, work with the Cards and the other teams out of the limelight (and blame the existing situation on Drew -- which everyone would easily believe). Q may then remain with a new contract, or leave once he's convinced the rest of the NFL he won't cost more than he's worth.
 

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Mitch, do you think the Cards should cave in to a players demands, no matter how unreasonable they are? What should the FO do when a player and their agent attempts to force management to renew their contract by going to the head of the line? I say put the exercise bikes on the visitor side of the field during the game and let them whine to their hearts content about their hammies.

By the way, I like reading your postings also. :)
 

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When Boldin addressed the media, he asked them if they thought the Cardinals listenened seriously to offers. After no reporters made a sound, Boldin implied he was right and that the Cards were not serious about listening. How I wish at least one reporter had the juevos to say "why wouldn't they?" or "why do you think they wouldn't?" when Boldin asked his question.
 

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Q and DD didn't have to re-sign their current contracts.

They did.

Wait until next year for Q and 2 years for DD.

They won't sit out very long, missing game checks.

And if they continue to be a bitch about things, then they will get even more of a label as difficult players and hurt their potential with eventual suitors.

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Mitch, do you think the Cards should cave in to a players demands, no matter how unreasonable they are? What should the FO do when a player and their agent attempts to force management to renew their contract by going to the head of the line? I say put the exercise bikes on the visitor side of the field during the game and let them whine to their hearts content about their hammies.

By the way, I like reading your postings also. :)

I think the Cardinals will stand pat, Ron. It may get ugly and will be a constant distraction with Q. If it were me, at this point I would pay him or I'd trade him...only I wouldn't just listen to trades, I would bargain for the best one.

For the record, I believe enough in Whiz that I think we can win without Q, DD or Dansby. It would be fine with me if they traded all three. I honestly believe we'd be better off, assuming we got some decent value in return.

Is it just a total fluke that the team went 5-1 without Q last year?
 
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