A Guess As To What happens With Q, KD, DD and AW

[rtjim]

It seems like a lot of Q's problem is that he expected the world to beat a path to the Cards facility to offer anything to get him. One call for a second round pick is hardly worth answering the phone.

Drew would love to claim it's all the Cards fault -- partly because that's one of the old standby excuses. "It's always the Cards fault." But it wasn't the Cards who proclaimed that Arizona could win as easily without Boldin as with Boldin (the press did that during the playoffs) or that the best receiver was clearly a guy named Fitz, or that Steve Breaston could step in easily.

After the T.O. saga, I think teams were doubly cautious of another Rosenhaus player with impossible expectations. Q may well be embarassed -- but as far as blame goes, he needs to look in a mirror.

The best way out of this is to first fire his agent, pure and simple. A new agent can come in clean, work with the Cards and the other teams out of the limelight (and blame the existing situation on Drew -- which everyone would easily believe). Q may then remain with a new contract, or leave once he's convinced the rest of the NFL he won't cost more than he's worth.

 

[DoTheDew]

I say if any of them aren't willing to take a contract that our management believes is fair value, we should simply keep the offer on the table until their contract is up and then let them walk and get 3rd round comp picks for each of them that refuses to sign. It is what Pittsburg and NE do every year. Don't overpay guys no matter who they are, a 3rd round comp pick and the extra cap space often has more long term value than overpaying anyone. The only exception seems to be QBs. If you have an elite QB you have to pay the man.

 

[WildBB]

I think there's a perception that this year can follow suit with last year and that Q will just be a pro in the games and slip out the back door afterward.[/B]

I really do not see that happening this year. You used the term "disruption." I think that's what's bound to happen. This issue is too white-hot to just simmer down.

Whatever his after games routine is, I can live with it. There is no love lost between him and management, so whatever it takes for him to remain professional for what he's paid to do and do well.

I am still not convinced that the Cardinals are not in a position to make him a legitimate offer, now. It depends how it's structured. The question is , are they ready to commit, not so much able, which I believe they can be, if like I said they are a little more flexable with their contract structure.

Bt many here don't consider Anquan an integral part of the orgs. future. That's fine, but don't confuse it, with what his feelings are, or how it will affect his or the teams performance.

Finally , even if there is a lot of animosity between player (labor) and management, what harm is that? What kind of American would he be if there weren't!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If you don't like that, I suggest you read the other quicker posts to your heart's delight. Your response is classless.

Ease back there buddy. He just said you write really long posts.

And ......well, you do. Nothing bad about, but War and Peace has got nothing on you this season.

Keep it up, regardless if I agree or disagree it adds to the board.....just realize you open yourself up to opinion, trolls, insults, etc., etc.

Comes with being a beat writer/blogger

 

[RugbyMuffin]

As for the post:

1. Karlos Dansby is our franchise player. He is here for 2009.

2. Adrian Wilson, SHOULD be first in line, as of right this minute for an extension.

3. Anquan Boldin being upset about this contract situation ?

It has been two years of this and I am used to it. I am not surprised in the least with what is going on.

4. Darnell Dockett asking to be traded ?

Completely expected. I am not surprised at all in the least with what is going on.

Boldin and Dockett will be a Cardinals next year, and it is up to them what they want to do about it. They are both not getting traded, and both may not get extensions.

It is what it is. It makes for good conversation and drama, but I could have wrote this up 6 months ago, and told you the story before it happened.

Furthermore, I don't see how anything is any worse with Dockett or Boldin than it was 365 days ago.

 

[Mitch]

Ease back there buddy. He just said you write really long posts.

And ......well, you do. Nothing bad about, but War and Peace has got nothing on you this season.

Keep it up, regardless if I agree or disagree it adds to the board.....just realize you open yourself up to opinion, trolls, insults, etc., etc.

Comes with being a beat writer/blogger

Doesn't have to if people would have the decency to be respectful. The exchange of thoughts and ideas is what makes this board great. There's no reason to bash a poster or a thread in a disrespectful way.

 

[CardLogic]

The best way out of this is to first fire his agent, pure and simple. A new agent can come in clean, work with the Cards and the other teams out of the limelight (and blame the existing situation on Drew -- which everyone would easily believe). Q may then remain with a new contract, or leave once he's convinced the rest of the NFL he won't cost more than he's worth.

Yep! I stated the same last week.

Then its:

Win for Cardinals
Win for Boldin
Lose for Rosenhaus

What could be better!

 

[az jam]

Mitch, as usual good writeup. Lots of thought put into this. Wish we would have some closure but that doesn't seem apparent.

My thoughts on the big 4 that are looking for an extension.

Boldin. Regardless of whatever Rosenhaus is telling him the bottom line is that no team was going to give the Cards a Roy Williams trade deal that the Lions got even though he is a far better player. IMO this is why Boldin is really depressed and upset. I wish I had a solution. The Cards will not give him away. I think that he may hold out a bit but will end up playing for the Cards this year as he is a professional and a team player. However, we rally don't know about this. No argument from me as I really don't know.

Dansby. He won't sign an extension and will test the free market next year. Cards are wasting their time on him. He will however play his best but we need to have someone in a solid learning position to take over in 2010.

A. Wilson, Agree with you Mitch. He will be extended.

D. Dockett. He will play this year. Nothing will happen there.

 

[Duckjake]

Doesn't have to if people would have the decency to be respectful. The exchange of thoughts and ideas is what makes this board great. There's no reason to bash a poster or a thread in a disrespectful way.

Or players you don't like.

 

[TJ]

This FO is so unpredictable, I don't know what is going to happen. The AW deal seems like a slam dunk because he wants to be here and vice versa, but no negotiations yet.

Dansby is a possibility only because his market value is dipping with the signing of other high end linebackers signing at a much lower rate than he anticipated. Like mortgage rates, he might want to strike while the iron is hot

Q....well.....Q is Q and no one can predict what he will do

And DD can go pound sand for two years. If he is still productive when he has one year left on his contract, then we'll renegotiate

 

[NuttinButTDs]

Boldin. Regardless of whatever Rosenhaus is telling him the bottom line is that no team was going to give the Cards a Roy Williams trade deal that the Lions got even though he is a far better player. IMO this is why Boldin is really depressed and upset. .

I dont think any player cares what the team gives up to get them in a trade. They should only worry about the new contract they can get. The more the team gives up, the likelihood of a hugh contract diminish.

 

[BW52]

I think the Cardinals will stand pat, Ron. It may get ugly and will be a constant distraction with Q. If it were me, at this point I would pay him or I'd trade him...only I wouldn't just listen to trades, I would bargain for the best one.

For the record, I believe enough in Whiz that I think we can win without Q, DD or Dansby. It would be fine with me if they traded all three. I honestly believe we'd be better off, assuming we got some decent value in return.

Is it just a total fluke that the team went 5-1 without Q last year?

Agree about Boldin.Get the best trade you can for him.
Dansby-he`s gone after this season-the hell with him.
Dockett-lots off mouth and very erratic production-trade his loudmouth self and get the best deal for the Cards.
Enough of the whiny ass babies.Not a single freaking one of them has any GDamn right to bitch about money right now.Especially in the hard times most people are having now.Public sympathy sure as hell aint going to be for another crying millionare jock.Trade all theree of the SOBS.

 

[conraddobler]

My guess is that during a mini camp, BSP will drop a classic movie line on them like:



Even though KD, DD and AW don't huddle up on offense the force vectors from the leadership nova focused through Q will stun them into total allegiance forever.

 

[joeshmo]

Yes, you're right, BUT, the Cardinals could have asked for a player and another draft pick, could they not?

My point is...if the Cardinals were willing to create a package for Q that worked in their favor they could have tried to bargain with Angelo for another player and/or draft pick (like the Bears' 3rd rounder as well). The question is: did they try to work with Angelo or did they just dismiss the offer? What's your guess?

Players just were not an option. At the time we only had less then 1.5 mill in cap space. And cheaper players that we would have wanted to make any deal worth are wild a team just was not going to give up a cheap young talent like that. We would only get older guys, not so talented cheap guys, or guys who themselves are fighting for a new contract. Again you have to remember the cap and players just were not an option.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

my predictions are:

Boldin: gets traded to the Giants for Kiawanuka. I think this offer is on the table for the Giants but they are waiting to see how their WR draft picks fair in camp.Kiawanuka immediatley upgrades the Cards LB corp and allows Berry to be more of a backup/situational pass rusher,which is where he is best. Some draft picks may be involved but Q and Kia would be the main components. Another thing, and i may be reading too much into it, is when Whiz was talking about Doucet needing to step up this year like Breaston did last year. If they are planning on Doucet having a more prominent role, it may be because Boldin will not be around. Otherwise, how prominent a role can the 4th WR have?

Dansby: I think he gets re-signed to a long term deal. He knows what the market is with the recent deals by Lofa, Lewis,Pace,Briggs, et al. Graves is at his best when someone else stes the market for him. I say this gets done by mid-June at the latest.

Dockett: wait your turn

Wilson: both parties seem to want a new deal so one gets done . However, i don't think it will be as smooth as everyone thinks. Wilson is still going to want big money.

 

[TJ]

my predictions are:

Boldin: gets traded to the Giants for Kiawanuka.

This won't happen because

a) the Giants will not give up Kiawanuka, as they want to maintain depth in their front 7 and

b) they drafted two wideouts pretty early in the draft

They are pretty much out of the running for Boldin if a trade were to go down

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This won't happen because

a) the Giants will not give up Kiawanuka, as they want to maintain depth in their front 7 and

you have to give up something to get something and ,with Umenera coming back, they would be dealing from a position of strength

b) they drafted two wideouts pretty early in the draft

that's not a huge deal because Ramses is a major project, who knows about Nicks, and Boldin becomes their best WR,by far. They're a team trying to get back to the SB and two rookie WR's won't get you there.

 

[lauraw]

Thank you Mitch for the article about this touchy subject!! I want to first say I haven't read it yet in depth, but only skimmed it and want to put what I think should happen to these players first, then read your article.
ABoldin-I hope we re-sign him and he retires an Az Cardinal, but we may not get to him until next off-season.
KDansby-I hope we trade him and get some kind of value better than a 3rd round
compensation pick for him.
DDockett-He needs to wait his turn and if he starts taking plays off we need to trade him immediately.
AWilson- should be first in line for a contract renewal in my eyes right now!

 

[lauraw]

Mitch It seems we agreed on everything but if the players would re-sign with us..Your Essay was much more eloquent than my piddling paragraph, but I would say with all confidence that we agree on all points!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Mitch's posts just get longer and longer.

Ooops... look out...

Any criticism of Mitch and his Mitchettes is evil and malevolent!

Blaise Pascal's admonishment "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter", is lost on Walter. He takes a lot of time to write very long pieces.