a guy at insidehoops asking about KT trade

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http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50308

Can somebody explain this KT trade to me?

I don't mean gloss over. I mean break down, step by step, exactly why Steve Kerr just gave Seattle 2 first round picks to dump an expiring contract.

Explain to me:

1. Why Seattle? Was there really no other suitor who would have given up a FIRST round pick to get a very good roleplayer and 2 first rounders for free? What about a team that could have given them an adequate backup PG?

2. Why Kurt Thomas? The Suns have some horrible contracts. And I'm not even talking about Shawn Marion. At least Shawn Marion can PLAY. What about Marcus Banks? What about Boris Diaw? Neither of these guys makes any impact whatsoever, both are redundant, and both combined will cost the Suns over 50 million and that's not including luxury tax. Thomas will cost the Suns 8 million. Total. Expiring contract.

3. Why a first round pick? I ask this for the same reason I ask every single draft when they pass up on players that fill team needs. So you don't want to shell out the dough? So you're happy with the team the way it is? Fine. Trade the pick for a future first. Or at least a future second. There will be suitors. Last year, plenty of teams would have jumped on the opportunity to get Marcus Williams; you could have gotten 3 million and a future first easily. Instead they give the pick away for 3 mil. So if you don't want to have unnecessary expenditures now, trade the pick for a 2012 first round pick to restock after Nash retires. Don't just give it away!

4. Why TWO first round picks? Sure the team looks good now. But what if Amare sustains a career ending injury? What if all of a sudden holes open up? Now you've got no way to fill those holes because you've traded away a first round pick 3 years in the future. There's no way to know what on earth you'll need in 3 years. You never give up a pick that far in the future unless you're getting Duncan back. Or moving up to #1. You don't give that away. It makes no sense. You can give the pick away on draft night 3 years from now if you don't need it.

If everything I expressed here has already been gone over a trillion times I apologize. But every time I think about this trade it just gets dumber and dumber. Beyond even the obvious levels of "you just gave away a good player and 2 picks for free."

If Sarver's the huge ---- you people claim why is he throwing 50 million at Boris Diaw and 30 million at Marcus Banks?

How is that frugal?

These people aren't frugal. They're stupid. That's all there is to it. They'll dump an expiring deal of a useful player, but they won't dump a guy who, after luxury tax, is going to cost them 40 million dollars and DOESN'T PLAY.

And giving up draft picks is not frugal. It's stupid. Giving up draft picks one year at a time for future picks for when you need them is frugal. A mid first round pick will cost you about 5-7 million over 3 years. Marcus Banks costs almost that much per season. But don't trade THAT CONTRACT! Trade Kurt Thomas'.

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very well written imo, and funny too!
 
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With the exception of the anti-semetic remark I'm inclinded to agree. Looking at the move individually is upsetting, looking at the past few offseasons as a whole and you can't help but think the front office has no idea what they are doing since BC left.
 
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and i have to ask because only now am i starting to grasp the sheer gravity of the stupidity of this trade:

is our management so bad, did Steve Kerr get SO BRUTALLY BENT OVER, that we couldn't even ask for protection on the 2010 pick??? is that how it works? Nothing? not even frickin TOP 3 PROTECTION???

i can't even begin to fathom how this trade negotiation went. how in the blue hell could it end up this bad? i mean, at least have a lawyer present in the room so he can cut the cord if it gets abnormally brutal.

once again, i guess Sarver/Kerr were too busy tossing every last salad up in Seattle to notice what was happening behind them.
 

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Playstation, I can't argue your points because their good with a few exceptions. Like it is hard to find a team that will take a high salaried player without making the other team take a player in return.

The only thing I can say is that the Suns do not value draft picks unless they are the lotto type. IMO, the Suns are looking to add proven players primarily through FA not the draft. However, I don't know why the Suns can't do both.
 

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I'm sure other teams would have gladly traded a good player for KT but the Suns didn't want a player they wanted to dump salary. There were only a couple of teams that could take on KT's salary without giving anything back. The Sonics could smell how desperate the Suns were knowing that the Suns had no other choice. The Sonics had the Suns over a barrel.
 
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i have very thick skin generally, but i am honestly offended by this. no, make that very offended.

i'd just like to point out that i didn't actually write any of that post. it is entirely copy/pasted from that site.

that being said, i've edited the post so that it no longer contains the offensive language.
 

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i'd just like to point out that i didn't actually write any of that post. it is entirely copy/pasted from that site.

that being said, i've edited the post so that it no longer contains the offensive language.

Good call :thumbup:
 

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Boris Diaw makes no impact?

Kurt Thomas cost the Suns just 8M$?

Maybe he should do some research first.
 

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Playstation, I can't argue your points because their good with a few exceptions. Like it is hard to find a team that will take a high salaried player without making the other team take a player in return.

The only thing I can say is that the Suns do not value draft picks unless they are the lotto type. IMO, the Suns are looking to add proven players primarily through FA not the draft. However, I don't know why the Suns can't do both.

This is the sign of a team that doesn't take a long term approach to their business. The Spurs on the other hand try to stock pile picks. If there is nothing they deem as being valuable at a certain pick, they trade it for a future pick normally. Heck, next year they have a 1st and 3 second rounders already. You can bet they will pick some Euros to stash and see how they develop. It's a crap shoot, but if one in 4 works out they look like geniuses and keep payroll low by having low paid roll players available.
 

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Boris Diaw makes no impact?

Kurt Thomas cost the Suns just 8M$?

Maybe he should do some research first.

Slinslin, when did you suddenly jump back on the Diaw bandwagon? I could have sworn you were tearing your hair out in the playoffs about how awful he was.

If Diaw is supposed to be the Suns' savior next season, there's really no reason even to watch.
 

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i'd just like to point out that i didn't actually write any of that post. it is entirely copy/pasted from that site.

that being said, i've edited the post so that it no longer contains the offensive language.

no worries playstation, i made sure to go back and reread it before i posted and realized it wasn't your words. but thanks for the edit.
 

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Slinslin, when did you suddenly jump back on the Diaw bandwagon? I could have sworn you were tearing your hair out in the playoffs about how awful he was.

If Diaw is supposed to be the Suns' savior next season, there's really no reason even to watch.

Human Nature? as time goes on historical performance get replaced with hope. How else do you explain all those posters thinking Stevie Francis is going to lead the Rockets to the WCF?
 

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I concur in thanking for the edit. Doesn't that site have a moderator?

I've thought that the Suns trade away picks because they (D'Antoni) think a player with an NBA track record is a surer bet with a quicker payoff. But, even with free agency, the good players are too rare and expensive, so we've ended up with old or inconsistent players who are crapshoots, too.
 

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I've thought that the Suns trade away picks because they (D'Antoni) think a player with an NBA track record is a surer bet with a quicker payoff. But, even with free agency, the good players are too rare and expensive, so we've ended up with old or inconsistent players who are crapshoots, too.

I think the focus of the Suns management was thrown off track concerning keeping and developing draft picks some time ago by a couple of things. First, when JC was using picks to get the books in order to sell the Suns. And second, when the Suns hit the FA jackpot in obtaining Steve Nash and Q. Of course the acquisition of Steve turned out to be pure genius but the acquisition of Q almost turned out to be the polar opposite. Anyway, I think Sarver was perhaps wrongly led to believe draft picks were to be used like money instead of long term assets.
 
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