A Kidd sized mistake - (article)

sunsfn

Registered User
Joined
Oct 3, 2002
Posts
4,522
Reaction score
0
A Kidd Sized Mistake
By "Chef" Edward Martin Bauerle
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jun 29, 2003, 10:55

Over the last couple of weeks Jason Kidd has forwarded his "A" list of teams that he would be willing to play for when the Free Agent Lottery starts in a few weeks. The Denver Nuggets, The World Champion San Antonio Spurs, Your Dallas Mavericks, and how nice, his own New Jersey Nets.

Should the Mavericks be considered privileged because Kidd added Dallas to the list, or should they be upset because he put an Astrid next to the team that dismissed him almost a decade ago because he couldn't get along with his own teammates, and coaching staff? Should the Mavericks be appalled that Kidd has said that he will only play for the Mavericks if Zo Mourning is signed, sealed, and delivered before he makes up his mind? Isn't if funny how an individual that has been considered the best point guard since Magic Johnson has played for three teams over his Hall of Fame career, and now has the audacity to put restrictions on the teams that he says he wants to play for?

Jason Kidd is a cancer. He is selfish. He is egotistical, and he is not what I would categorize as a team player. He rates right up there with the likes of Kobe Bryant who seems to think that he is gods gift to the NBA, and that unless his better half comes into the season ready to play he won't even consider playing for the team that just got bounced out of the playoffs in the second round because he failed to raise his teams play at the beginning of the year, and put his team in such a hole that they were lucky just to make the playoffs.

It amazes me the attitude some of the players in the NBA have about themselves even though they have no skins on the wall to justify having an attitude. Shaq Daddy I can understand. Tim Duncan, even though he doesn't have an attitude he probably should I could understand. Jordan, Magic, Bird I can understand. Jason Kidd? Your kidding me right? An individual that couldn't handled the leadership role in Dallas. Couldn't deal with Phoenix, Arizona, and now realizes that no matter what the Eastern Conference does they won't be winning the NBA Championship for another 5 years at best now seems to think he has the right to make restrictions on teams that want to apply for his services.

KIDD/NASH

If Jason Kidd comes to Dallas in a sign and trade with Nick Van Exel then Steve Nash has to come off the bench because Kidd won't play second fiddle to anyone, especially one that he considered inferior when they played in Phoenix together. Ask yourself a couple of questions.

a. Given the relationship with Nash, and Nowitki, and given the fact that because of the lethal combination that both players bring to the table how is it going to play in the locker room when Jason shows up to take Nash's job from him? Better yet, how is Dirk going to handle the change, and will he be willing to even consider it?

b. How is the relationship with Finley going to play out? Let's not forget that Finley was the one that took the brunt of abuse from the media when Kidd was traded to Phoenix for The Flying Tiger. What kind of bad feelings will that have in the locker room. Your going to tell me that Finley was pleased to be traded to the Mavericks? They were the worst team in all of profesional sports. The Suns were going to the playoffs every year. I'm not sure that Mike was happy then, and I'm not real sure he will be happy to receive Kidd with open arms now.

KIDD/NVE

All though Nick Van Exel has raised his value because of his performance in this years playoffs both Kidd, and Van Exel are not considered the best shooting guards in the NBA. In fact some people on various boards consider the combo of Finley/Van Exel/Kidd to be a nightmare of a back court. Some have said it would become the worst backcourt in the history of the NBA. I'm not sure I would go that far, but at the same time the statement has merit. Ask yourself a couple of questions here.

a. With Nash gone, and the relationship with Dirk severed, will the Kidd/Dirk combo be as lethal as it is with Nash, and Dirk?

b. The defensive priority right now is a plus for Dallas no matter who they play. Because of the ability of Nash to break down defenses with his Helter Skelter style of play, and because of his ability to shoot the 3 as effectively as he does it allows Dirk to have open looks that no other forward in the NBA has the luxury to have. So the question is simple. Because of Kidds inability to hit the open jumper as effectively as Nash how will that change the looks that Dirk enjoys now?

c. The one reason that Nick is as effective right now is because the pressure for him to perform isn't as high as it would be with Kidd. Kidds inability, and his inconsistency with his shooting percentage will no doubt put more pressure on Nick to perform when he comes off the bench. Will he be as comfortable as he is with Nash, and when Nelson decides to play small ball will the combo of Nick/Jason be as lethal as it is with Nash, and Van Exel?

FREE-THROW ADVANTAGE

One of the luxuries that the Mavericks enjoy is that at the end of games teams are so unwilling to put the Mav's at the line because of the success they enjoy at the free throw line. Your going to tell me that the percentage with Kidd will be as high? No, it won't, and you can bet that at the end of games teams will be more than willing to put Kidd at the line because of inconsistency at the line.

They don't dare put Nash on the line. If Kidd, and Nick are the two point guards that have to have their hands on the ball at the end of games will no doubt make other teams use the philosophy that they will put the two on the line to win the games.
Are Maverick Fans that confident that Nick, and Kidd will be able to step up to the challenge? Even if the combo is Nash, and Kidd how is Kidd going to handle being taken out of the game at the end because Nash is more proficient when it comes to shooting free-throws?

Nelson has said before that he would have never trade Kidd if he had been the GM at the time. Of course that was before he made it to the Western Conference Finals, and he posted the Mavericks first 60 win season in the History of the franchise. He has recently been quoted as saying that it would be foolish to try improve a position that doesn't need improving. He has said that his priority is a big man, or two. Zo Mourning, and The "Mailman are two players on Nelson, and Cubans wish list. You have the opportunity to acquire either player or both.

The fact that both players are at the end of their careers, and the fact that the Mav's only have the 4.9 Million Exemption, and 1.5 Million slot to play with means that the Mavericks are in a position to acquire either player. Given the fact that both players don't have a ring to speak of gives hope to Maverick Fans that the possibility to acquire both are a reality. You get both, and you can almost pencil this team in as a participant in next seasons WCF, or the NBA Finals. Even with one your chances improve dramatically. Knowing Cuban you can bet that either player will be Maverick when the free agent dust settles.

Bringing in Jason Kidd for any reason, or for any player is the biggest mistake this franchise could make since Donald Carter resigned Roy Tarpley over a decade ago. He doesn't belong in a Maverick Uniform, and he doesn't deserve a second chance in a city that dismissed him 10 years ago. Too many bad memories, and too many questions for an individual that hasn't proved anything except that he doesn't care about anyone but himself. The Mavericks are fine at the point guard position, and the problems that Kidd brings to the table are more than just cap problems. They are personal, and ones that don't need to taken. Not at this point in the game. Put an Astrid next to anyone you like Jason, but take the Mavericks of your list. You don't belong in Dallas, and you never did.

Have a nice day, and thanks for playing.......

:thumbup:
 

Goldfield

Formally known as BEERZ
Joined
Sep 13, 2002
Posts
10,508
Reaction score
2,344
Location
ASFN
damn that guy needs to take a chill pill!


You dont replace an allstar PG like Nash just because people think Kidd is the best PG in the league...

I personally would take Nash over Kidd, it pisses me off everytime I see Nash play because I know WE drafted him!


This is the same reason the Spurs would be foolish to go after Kidd. Parker is turning into a very solid PG. You allways go BIG before you go small!


IMO a PG must beable to shoot, because in the playoffs, inorder to win you have to have a good halfcourt offense... Kidd has never been a half court PG, he is the best fastbreak guy, but he is only an average half court PG...
 
Last edited:

green machine

I rule at posting
Joined
Sep 4, 2002
Posts
6,126
Reaction score
11
Location
Phoenix, AZ
Nash is a nice point guard, but like Kidd he is overrated. Nash can shoot, but he's not a great defender, and I could average those assist numbers on that team. Still he's a good point guard for that system and that style. But I don't rate Nash among the top PG's.

adam
 

ThatsAmare

Newbie
Joined
Nov 23, 2002
Posts
38
Reaction score
0
Originally posted by green machine
Nash is a nice point guard, but like Kidd he is overrated. Nash can shoot, but he's not a great defender, and I could average those assist numbers on that team. Still he's a good point guard for that system and that style. But I don't rate Nash among the top PG's.

adam

Agreed. If Nash played for the Nuggets nobody would give a stuff about him. Put a good point guard on a talented team and he looks like a great point guard.
 

Joe Mama

Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
9,501
Reaction score
964
Location
Gilbert, AZ
Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury, Gary Payton, and maybe a few others would average 10 + assists on the Dallas Mavericks. I'm not a fan of Jason Kidd, but he is a very good basketball player. He can take an otherwise average team and make them good during the regular season. I believe he's overrated because the media paints him as a superstar which is not. But in my opinion Steve Nash is very overrated.

The free-throw argument in that article is absolutely ridiculous. During the regular season Steve Nash shot just do 6% better than Kidd. And everyone knows that Jason Kidd is a clutch free-throw shooter at the end of games, especially in the playoffs.

The argument that Jason Kidd and Michael Finley would not get along is also pretty stupid, IMO. I mean give me a break.

Even last year when I loathed Jason Kidd I would have admitted that this article is crap. He is not a cancer. That's just not true. I do think Jason Kidd would be a good fit on the Dallas Mavericks if they could also get someone tough down low like Alonzo Mourning or Karl Malone. Even P.J. Brown would do.

All that said I don't see how Dallas could make it worthwhile for New Jersey unless another team was involved. I mean Steve Nash only makes $6 million per season, but he will surely opt out of his contract after next season. Then New Jersey would probably have to overpaid to keep him. Dirk Nowitzki is the only other player on Dallas' roster that isn't overpaid. I mean who else would they include? I just don't see how it is possible for Dallas.

Joe Mama
 

se7en

Go SUNS Go
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Posts
900
Reaction score
1
Location
City of Angels
I'm not so sure that Kidd isn't a cancer. I was reading an article in the Los Angeles times today and they mentioned that Kidd didn't get along and didn't respect coach Scott. He pretty much only listened to assitant Eddie Jordan.

I don't recall who the coach in Dallas was but it is pretty well known that Kidd had some issue back then with the coaches.

Then he comes to Phoenix and Ainge quits on the Kidd led team.

Then Kidd has problems with Skiles.

And now Scott.

Clearly Kidd has some issues with being coached. Especially by hardnosed coaches.

Bottom line is that there are plenty of flaws with the Kidd package whether with his game or his character.

And let's not forget that this is a guy with serious anger management problems. You don't get more of a red flag than that.
 

Ryanwb

ASFN IDOL
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
35,576
Reaction score
6
Location
Mesa
I don't recall who the coach in Dallas was but it is pretty well known that Kidd had some issue back then with the coaches

Donn Nelson is the Head Coach...he doesn't take kindly to slackers
 

Joe Mama

Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
9,501
Reaction score
964
Location
Gilbert, AZ
I don't know what happened with Danny Ainge. None of us really do. We don't know if he was forced out, afraid he was going to be forced out, just tired of coaching, or if he did not get along with his team.

As far as Scott Skiles and Byron Scott are concerned it's not just Jason Kidd that has had issues with them. I'm not sure any of their players really liked either of these guys. They are actually very similar. Really the only difference is that Skiles seems like an even bigger jerk, and he didn't get to coach in the weakest conference in the last 25 years.

Joe Mama
 

ThatsAmare

Newbie
Joined
Nov 23, 2002
Posts
38
Reaction score
0
I don't recall who the coach in Dallas was but it is pretty well known that Kidd had some issue back then with the coaches

Dick Motta was coach in Kidd's firt 2 seasons. I think he was replaced by that guy from Phil Jackson's staff who's name escapes me. Shortly after that Kidd was traded to Phx.
 

Tank

Wifi Guru
Joined
Oct 22, 2002
Posts
329
Reaction score
0
Location
Texas
Originally posted by ThatsAmare
Dick Motta was coach in Kidd's firt 2 seasons. I think he was replaced by that guy from Phil Jackson's staff who's name escapes me. Shortly after that Kidd was traded to Phx.

Jim Cleamons
 

JCSunsfan

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 24, 2002
Posts
22,115
Reaction score
6,551
There was some justification if Kidd was ticked at Cleamons. Cleamons came to Dallas and immediately implemented the Triangle, without considering his personnel.

Kidd fits into the Triangle offense like Jesse Jackson at a Klan meeting.

Kidd is quite selfish though. He is a cancer. When he was here in Phoenix he openly spoke about wanting to play for the Lakers (he did this more than once at his basketball camp).

I'm sorry, but if youre a Suns player and you want to piss of the fans, thats the way to do it.

Now New Jersey is getting a dose of the same medicine. He's a great player, but an annoying human being--even without Joumana.
 

cly2tw

Registered User
Joined
Oct 26, 2002
Posts
5,832
Reaction score
0
Kidd is overrated. He is an average one-on-one defender and shooter/scorer. His best asset is court awareness that makes him probably the best open-court PG. Come playoff time, the intensity of effort jumps, he becomes much less effective. He is actually a "complementary" player treated like a superstar by the media.

This being said, he might help Dallas exactly for these traits of his. Say, they trade Nash + Najara for Kidd in sign and trade and then trade Van Exel to NY for Sprewell and sign Malone/Zo via FA. They then have 4 Allstars who can all score, with the best complementary player in Kidd. They will be favored to win the title!
 

sly fly

Devil Me This
Joined
Jun 12, 2002
Posts
2,469
Reaction score
0
Location
N. Phx
Did anybody here watch ANY games last season?

I can't believe some of you are calling Steve Nash overrated!

What more do you want from a player? Sheesh, the guy is money from anywhere on the court, keeps his defender off-balance for 4 quarters, can go both right and left, finishes strong, hit his free throws, and yet he's "overrated'???

So what he can't defend against bigger point guards? Who can?

I swear I don't know if some of you have ever watched a complete game.
 

Chaplin

Better off silent
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
46,462
Reaction score
16,990
Location
Round Rock, TX
Originally posted by sly fly
Did anybody here watch ANY games last season?

I can't believe some of you are calling Steve Nash overrated!

What more do you want from a player? Sheesh, the guy is money from anywhere on the court, keeps his defender off-balance for 4 quarters, can go both right and left, finishes strong, hit his free throws, and yet he's "overrated'???

So what he can't defend against bigger point guards? Who can?

I swear I don't know if some of you have ever watched a complete game.

I agree.

Out of the Big 3, I think Michael Finley is probably the most overrated, not Steve Nash. Basketball people around the country are still down on Stephon Marbury because of his scoring mentality (which now, IMO is absolutely absurd), and how he isn't the "typical" point guard.

Well, Nash is more the "typical" point guard. Name some points around the league that are better than Nash...

Steph
Bibby? Nope, not yet.
Francis? Shyeah.
Payton? Could be the only other PG along with Stephon that is better than Nash.
Kidd? Kidd is a great player, but the difference is marginal on the two's open court play, and it can be argued that Steve Nash is a MUCH more effective half-court point guard than Kidd.

Andre Miller
John Stockton
Gilbert Arenas (who isn't even a true point guard)
Tony Parker
Troy Hudson
Baron Davis
Sam Cassell
Jason Williams
Chauncey Billups

Nash is better than all those guys.
 

fordronken

Registered User
Joined
Oct 17, 2002
Posts
3,806
Reaction score
0
Location
Los Angeles area
Overrated doesn't mean bad. Nash is a tremendous player, but I don't think he's as good as the general population seem to make him out to be.
 

Joe Mama

Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
9,501
Reaction score
964
Location
Gilbert, AZ
Originally posted by fordronken
Overrated doesn't mean bad. Nash is a tremendous player, but I don't think he's as good as the general population seem to make him out to be.

That is the point I was trying to make. I'll admit I got carried away when I said that "Steve Nash is very overrated". I guess I was referring to Bill Walton and others who during the first half of last season were saying that Steve Nash was the MVP.

One other thing. Everybody, including myself, complains about Jason Kidd's game not fitting in the playoffs. Where was Steve Nash in the playoffs? He wasn't even the best point guard on his team. If it wasn't for Nick Van Exel Mavericks would not have made it out of the first round against Portland despite having tied for the best record in the NBA during the regular season.

Also, I think the most important thing a point guard does is initiate offense, but they do have to be able to play some defense. Steve Nash can be a pesky defender, but I wouldn't say he is in the top half of the point guards in the NBA defensively.

Joe
 

Latest posts

Members online

Forum statistics

Threads
556,051
Posts
5,431,305
Members
6,329
Latest member
cardinals2025
Top