a new perspective on Rolle...

[1DS]

Think about this. He has been in the league 3 years. his first two years were under Green and his cpaching staff. Green and Co. were pretty good at finding talent, but the main knock on them was the majority of the players didn't develope much under them. Rolle was under then secondary coach Rich Solomon. Remember him? I would like to foget. He was a Denny "Yes" man, and couldn't coach a dog to sit.

Now think about this. This past season was Rolle's first year under a real coach. I know he was pretty inconsistent, but if this was his "Rookie" year, we would pretty much all be encouraged by his two great games. He is at least showing us some real potential for the first time in his career. Maybe this coaching staff can develpoe and utilize his talents better than Denny's?

 

[SuperSpck]

I would like to foget. He was a Denny "Yes" man, and couldn't coach a dog to sit.

1) If I could only foget to remember all that I've fogotten.

2) I've been trying to teach my cat some tricks, out of bordem, and it's pretty hard to teach animals to do things.

 

[1DS]

you can foget teaching a cat to do anything. all they do is sleep, eat, poop.

 

[Second Deck]

I think Rolle will still be a CB next year unless we use a first round pick on a CB then I think they will try Rolle at safety. There is no doubt Greens coaching staff was not NFL caliber and he has benefitted from having better coaching.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The only thing clear in Whiz's end of season comments was that they had to find ways to get Antrell on the field.

My sense is that he'll be a sort of ball hawking rover in nickel and dime packages.

 

[Rats]

Ya know people spin things anyway they want to. Antrel came out of Miami projected as a safety at the NFL level. He has very little swivel in his hips and he is better in a zone than man coverage. He has mad skills ball hawking as a straight up safety in a zone scheme. He had a knee injury under Dennis Greens tenure. Kinda hard to coach someone up when there not available to play. Antrel would be a better saftey than a corner. He was then and is now.

 

[imaCafan]

from usa today in '05....

Miami (Fla.)'s Antrel Rolle, who brings a physical, in-your-face style, is regarded as the No. 1 cornerback on many teams' draft boards. But there's debate when considering his lack of blazing speed (4.49 to 4.52 seconds for 40 yards). "A lot has been written about Rolle's speed," Houston Texans GM Charley Casserly says. "Some people have projected him to safety. You think about guys like Ty Law, (Patrick) Surtain and (Sam) Madison. None of them were big speed guys. They all ran 4.5s. They've all gone on to numerous Pro Bowls. Rolle, I think, will be that style of corner." ...

 

[Skkorpion]

Miami (Fla.)'s Antrel Rolle, who brings a physical, in-your-face style, is regarded as the No. 1 cornerback on many teams' draft boards. But there's debate when considering his lack of blazing speed (4.49 to 4.52 seconds for 40 yards). "A lot has been written about Rolle's speed," Houston Texans GM Charley Casserly says. "Some people have projected him to safety. You think about guys like Ty Law, (Patrick) Surtain and (Sam) Madison. None of them were big speed guys. They all ran 4.5s. They've all gone on to numerous Pro Bowls. Rolle, I think, will be that style of corner." ...

Thank you, ima, for trying to stem revisionism of history. Won't work, though. The Rolle to pro bowl free safety crowd will continue to trample all.

 

[1DS]

Please, don't lump me with that crowd, Skkorpion. I didn't mention moving him to FS once, nor did i mention anything about him being a pro-bowl caliber player there. I'm just bringing up a point that he had Horrible coaching his first couple of years. He had 2 great games this year under a real coaching staff. Take it for what it's worth.


Rats, i am aware that Rolle was hurt his first year under Green. What about his second season, what about the training camps? What about the practices? What about the games he WAS healthy for as a rookie? Also, you can still coach a player when he's hurt, see Matt Leinart.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Think about this. He has been in the league 3 years. his first two years were under Green and his cpaching staff. Green and Co. were pretty good at finding talent, but the main knock on them was the majority of the players didn't develope much under them. Rolle was under then secondary coach Rich Solomon. Remember him? I would like to foget. He was a Denny "Yes" man, and couldn't coach a dog to sit.

Now think about this. This past season was Rolle's first year under a real coach. I know he was pretty inconsistent, but if this was his "Rookie" year, we would pretty much all be encouraged by his two great games. He is at least showing us some real potential for the first time in his career. Maybe this coaching staff can develpoe and utilize his talents better than Denny's?

Wish we had a real coach. I think Whiz already said that Rolle moving to safety is unlikely. A real coach would see he is a promising free safety but just like Davis we wont put the right players in the right spot.

 

[1DS]

Wish we had a real coach. I think Whiz already said that Rolle moving to safety is unlikely. A real coach would see he is a promising free safety but just like Davis we wont put the right players in the right spot.

Good God, has everyone missed the point of this thread? This isn't about moving Rolle to saftey. It's about him having a real coaching staff for the first time in his career and playing better. He was playing CB when he had those 2 huge games.

 

[1DS]

Wish we had a real coach. I think Whiz already said that Rolle moving to safety is unlikely. A real coach would see he is a promising free safety but just like Davis we wont put the right players in the right spot.

Won't put players in the right spot, huh? Moving Dockett to DE seemed to work rather well. He did have his best year ever. Boldin moved back to the slot, where we all know he belongs. Pace to OLB worked pretty well. So did Dansby to ILB. Man, you stuck your foot all the way in your mouth there.

And Whiz didn't even coach Leonard Davis for 1 down! You can't seriously blame him for not playing Davis at guard.

 

[CaptTurbo]

You can't seriously blame him for not playing Davis at guard.

Praytell who is to blame for not playing Davis at guard?

 

[CaptTurbo]

Won't put players in the right spot, huh? Moving Dockett to DE seemed to work rather well. He did have his best year ever. Boldin moved back to the slot, where we all know he belongs. Pace to OLB worked pretty well. So did Dansby to ILB. Man, you stuck your foot all the way in your mouth there.

And Whiz didn't even coach Leonard Davis for 1 down! You can't seriously blame him for not playing Davis at guard.

LOL we went to a hybrid 3-4 all those position changes are on paper only. It was mostly a 4-3 with blitzes and none of the guys you mentioned were real position changes. The boldin move was good. Cant believe he was ever made to leave.

And the first great game Rolle had he was the nickle and 'floating' CB also pretty much a FS. Unless you are disagreeing with just about 95% of the posters here.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Davis plays guard for the cowboys. This was his first year with them.

Whiz, coaches for the Cardinals, this was his first year with us.


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Yes, why didn't whiz play Leonard Davis at Guard this year? That idiot should have moved him to guard when he drafted him in 2001.

umm in case you were unaware let me catch you up. Whiz was HC when Davis was still on the team.

 

[1DS]

Praytell who is to blame for not playing Davis at guard?

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Davis plays guard for the cowboys. This was his first year with them.

Whiz, coaches for the Cardinals, this was his first year with us.


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Yes, why didn't whiz play Leonard Davis at Guard this year? That idiot should have moved him to guard when he drafted him in 2001.

 

[1DS]

umm in case you were unaware let me catch you up. Whiz was HC when Davis was still on the team.

so how many downs did Whiz coach Davis for? Thats right, the answer is 0.

 

[CaptTurbo]

so how many downs did Whiz coach Davis for? Thats right, the answer is 0.

Point is Whiz never wanted to keep Davis because he was a bad tackle. He didnt think to make him a guard. Same complex as Denny.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Plus to say Whiz coached the team up is insane. We have one of the top 10 most talented rosters. He is average, better than Mac or Denny but heck you and I are better than Mac or Denny at this point.

 

[Mainstreet]

you can foget teaching a cat to do anything. all they do is sleep, eat, poop.

I've found cats are quite intelligent and I've had both cats and dogs. However, cats have mastered the art of teaching people while people have not mastered the art of teaching cats. That's why all they need to do is sleep, eat and poop.

 

[Redheart]

Point is Whiz never wanted to keep Davis because he was a bad tackle. He didnt think to make him a guard. Same complex as Denny.

Davis was a free agent and was testing free agency.

The Cards let him get to free agency because his play, at tackle, was not worth the money he was getting before free agency.

Davis ALWAYS wanted to play for Dallas as he was from Texas and actually said so; made him a bad fit for playing here.

Davis got a huge contract from Dallas, much more than we would have paid him to play tackle or gaurd.

Davis was big; but lazy, stupid, and uncomitted would also describe him.

Bottom line: it was a good decision to let him go then, and now.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Davis was a free agent and was testing free agency.

The Cards let him get to free agency because his play, at tackle, was not worth the money he was getting before free agency.

Davis ALWAYS wanted to play for Dallas as he was from Texas and actually said so; made him a bad fit for playing here.

Davis got a huge contract from Dallas, much more than we would have paid him to play tackle or gaurd.

Davis was big; but lazy, stupid, and uncomitted would also describe him.

Bottom line: it was a good decision to let him go then, and now.

But, the point is we could've gotten something for him. The Cards were worried he'd sign the franchise tender right away. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because they ate up the cap space by using roster bonusses instead.

 

[Redheart]

But, the point is we could've gotten something for him. The Cards were worried he'd sign the franchise tender right away. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because they ate up the cap space by using roster bonusses instead.

I think that move could very well have kept Davis in AZ for one season...with the term "disgruntled" coming to mind.

Don't you have to give up 1st round picks for franchise players? We could have "protected" him with a franchise tag, but Davis was never a franchise player. He might have set NFL record for false starts and sacks-allowed in 2007 as a Cardinal...

 

[SuperSpck]

I've found cats are quite intelligent and I've had both cats and dogs. However, cats have mastered the art of teaching people while people have not mastered the art of teaching cats. That's why all they need to do is sleep, eat and poop.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Point is Whiz never wanted to keep Davis because he was a bad tackle. He didnt think to make him a guard. Same complex as Denny.

Point is that you have no idea what Whiz wanted to do or what he thought. Furthermore, if you think you know more than him you are just playing games with yourself. Maybe Graves didn't want to reward a guy who had such a checkered on-feild past with a record contract for his position. What gets lost in all of this is that Davis said he wanted to go elsewhere. Why fight to keep someone who doesn't want to be here. Maybe he sucked for so long because Denny blew as the coach. How thast is Whiz's fault is beyond me.

Plus to say Whiz coached the team up is insane. We have one of the top 10 most talented rosters. He is average, better than Mac or Denny but heck you and I are better than Mac or Denny at this point.

Because you say we have a top 10 roster makes that a fact?? Please. Anybody who really knows football (and some that dont) knows that it all starts in the trenches. Thats where we are weaker than 80% of the league. Skill position players mean nothing if there is no one to block for them. As for you being a better coach that Denny or Mac, I will not dispute that.