A New Way of Regarding the Cards' 2007 Draft

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It looks like a pretty darned good draft when one regards it this way:

1. T Levi Brown. Instant starter at a position of highest need. He and Deuce Lutui could well develop into one of the most formidible OL right sides in the NFL.

2. NT Alan Branch. Gives the Cardinals the interior size and run plugging ability they haven't had in recent years. His addition has already motivated fellow Wolverine Gabe Watson to lose weight and work hard to be a starter...and Branch and Quentin Moses could become the right side of the DL that Lutui and Brown are on offense.

3. DE Quentin Moses. Arguably one of the best pass rushers in this draft. Gives the Cardinals edge speed and quickness and adds much needed youth to an aging pass rush. Incredible boon to get him off waivers.

4. WR Steve Breaston. Breaston should have been a first day pick, IMO. So, at least we will bump him up to the 4th round, as he becomes the pick the Cardinals would have made if they didn't have to surrender the 4th rounder to acquire Branch. He, like the previous three, fills a great need for the Cardinals as he provides the Cardinals with a homerun threat as a returner and a speedy option as a slot WR in 4 WR sets.

5. C/G Lyle Sendlein. Certainly deserving of a 5th round pick considering how well he assimilated into the offense as both a center and a guard. And he is great insurance should Nick Leckey sign elsewhere next year. This kid has the work ethic, the desire and the smarts to be around for a long time. Has really clicked with Russ Grimm. Plus he's a local boy who has now made it to the NFL.

6. TE Ben Patrick. The Cards didn't have a 6th rounder because of the Gorin trade, but hey, would anyone have balked at Patrick, whom many considered to be one of the top three TE prospects in this year's draft, being taken in the 6th round? Yes, he was injured early...but he showed some promise as the pre-season evolved. Sure glad he cleared waivers. Had the Patriots not signed TE Marcellus Rivers the day after releasing him, and still smarting over losing TE Garrett Mills to the Vikings, they may have submitted a claim on Patrick. As it turns out, it was brilliant timing to wait to release Patrick a day after the cuts because by then the Patriots--who love stockpiling TE prospects-had re-signed Rivers and had no more room on their roster to claim another TE. Believe me..Ben Patrick would be a Patriot right now if the Cards had cut him Friday with all the others.

7. Take your pick of WR Matt Trannon, LB David Holloway, CB Michael Adams, RB Steve Baylark. All 4 of these guys were draft worthy and all of them have a chance to rise up through the system. Trannon is an exceptional blocker and a clutch receiver...can he be strengthened into a TE? Holloway had arguably the best single play of any Cardinal defender this pre-season. He needs to strengthen up too, but is a fine athlete. Adams is a feisty, competitive player...who may be the answer at nickel back down the road. And Baylark fits Whiz's system as a tough hit the hole hard runner who does not go down on first contact.

It's amazing how much a crap shoot the draft has become, because now more than ever undrafted college free agents are making rosters and practice squads nearly as much as draft picks.

I say kudos to the Cardinals on this draft. The early returns have been splendid.
 
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It I say kudos to the Cardinals on this draft. The early returns have been splendid.

How can you get "splendid returns" when they haven't even played a game yet?
 

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When you look at it that way...the draft does look better.

If Levi, Branch, and Moses develop into full-time starters and Breaston locks down the return game...this will have been a solid draft.
 
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How can you get "splendid returns" when they haven't even played a game yet?

When you found the answer at starting RT...an instant run plugger answer in Branch...a legitimate pass rusher in Moses to take the sting out of losing Chike Okeafor...finally a PR who can take it to the house...a backup C and G who no one even figured into the mix, at the right time when Leckey may be on the way out...a TE prospect who has all the physical tools...and 4 players who may become roster worthy at some point.

I would say those are pretty good early returns!

Man, it's getting harder and harder to be enthusiastic and positive on this board.
 

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this is called a kool-aid post ; )

You cant just skew everything and look at it from rosey glasses!!!

I do too tho...
 

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It's amazing how much a crap shoot the draft has become, because now more than ever undrafted college free agents are making rosters and practice squads nearly as much as draft picks.

However, i remember too well when more Cardinals UDFAs made the team than the draft picks. Now the Cards are getting good players with their draft picks and getting performance out of the UDFAs is gravy.

I told you guys Sendlein was a player. He is still young and needs some more muscle/bulk imo but the play at Center appears better than any we've seen in years.

However I reserve the right to change my opinion on everything once I've seen the guys play a couple of live ones. :D
 
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And get this...anyone still upset over Buster Davis' defection? No need, The Cards picked up a LB in Cameron Vaughn who has a far better chance to make a splash in the NFL than Davis.
 

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Man, it's getting harder and harder to be enthusiastic and positive on this board.

lol, you know, it is harder.

I think it's the "once bitten, twice shy" syndrome. And when you've been bitten as many times over the years as we have, you get a huge amount of "shy" on the ledger.

(Which is not to say that I don't agree with what you say, I'm just taking a wait and see attitude)

JTS
 

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I would say those are pretty good early projected returns!

I agree with most of what you are saying(except moses does not take the place of a lost 3rd rounder) but I had to correct this one statement.
 

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It's amazing how much a crap shoot the draft has become, because now more than ever undrafted college free agents are making rosters and practice squads nearly as much as draft picks.

Just so you know that isnt true. In fact since the new CBA and the big rise in Cap dollars that came with it. The amount of UDFA making rosters has actually gone down. As for PS I dont know but that is probably the same as it has always been.
 

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lol, you know, it is harder.

I think it's the "once bitten, twice shy" syndrome. And when you've been bitten as many times over the years as we have, you get a huge amount of "shy" on the ledger.

(Which is not to say that I don't agree with what you say, I'm just taking a wait and see attitude)

JTS

I agree with the Shark. Last season beat a lot of Kool Aid out of a lot of people.
 

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And get this...anyone still upset over Buster Davis' defection? No need, The Cards picked up a LB in Cameron Vaughn who has a far better chance to make a splash in the NFL than Davis.

They arent upset about his defection. They are upset about a lost 3rd round draft pick.
 

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Ah screw it. Someone post the big Koolaid guy picture.

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I agree with most of what you are saying(except moses does not take the place of a lost 3rd rounder) but I had to correct this one statement.

Why doesn't Moses take the place of a lost 3rd rounder? Had Moses been available to the Cards at #69, don't you think the Cards would have taken him over Davis? It's incredibly lucky that the Cards were able to land a player of his potential on September 2...especially after the actual 3rd rounder had played his way off the roster.

Instead of getting the #69 pick, the Cards got the #65 pick.
 

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Instead of getting the #69 pick, the Cards got the #65 pick.

I agree.

Cutting Buster = -1 3rd rounder

Cutting Buster and claiming Moses = Even

Keeping Buster and claiming Moses = +1 3rd rounder
 
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I agree with most of what you are saying(except moses does not take the place of a lost 3rd rounder) but I had to correct this one statement.

Well, when the Eagles cut Jeremiah Trotter and fill his roster spot with UCFA Pago Togafau, what does that tell you? UCFA's have a far better chance than they used to. Draft picks are getting cut left and right now...why? Because teams no longer issue perfunctory roster spots for them when they don't cut the mustard.
 

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Why doesn't Moses take the place of a lost 3rd rounder? Had Moses been available to the Cards at #69, don't you think the Cards would have taken him over Davis? It's incredibly lucky that the Cards were able to land a player of his potential on September 2...especially after the actual 3rd rounder had played his way off the roster.

Instead of getting the #69 pick, the Cards got the #65 pick.

Why did they draft an undersized linebacker, if they really wanted to draft a defensive end?

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Why doesn't Moses take the place of a lost 3rd rounder? Had Moses been available to the Cards at #69, don't you think the Cards would have taken him over Davis? It's incredibly lucky that the Cards were able to land a player of his potential on September 2...especially after the actual 3rd rounder had played his way off the roster.

Instead of getting the #69 pick, the Cards got the #65 pick.

You dont know that. All the Cards have stated is that Moses was in the top 120 players on their board. Who cares who we would have picked we didnt have that opportunity and we still have a wasted 3rd rounder.

Is it lucky we got him, sure, but it does not take the place of a lost 3rd rounder, no matter how it is spun.

Moses does not take the place of a lost 3rd rounder. He is an addition to, not a substitution.
 
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Why did they drafted an undersized linebacker, if they really wanted to draft a defensive end?

JTS

Good question, Jeff. They probably went strictly by their draft board and Davis had a higher grade than any of the remaining DEs. Now we know that Davis didn't deserve it...and that's why the draft is such a crapshoot, especially after the first 50 picks.
 
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You dont know that. All the Cards have stated is that Moses was in the top 120 players on their board. Who cares who we would have picked we didnt have that opportunity and we still have a wasted 3rd rounder.

Is it lucky we got him, sure, but it does not take the place of a lost 3rd rounder, no matter how it is spun.

Moses does not take the place of a lost 3rd rounder. He is an addition to, not a substitution.

Man, Joe, I usually am persuaded by your thoughts, but you lost me on this one.
 

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Well, when the Eagles cut Jeremiah Trotter and fill his roster spot with UCFA Pago Togafau, what does that tell you? UCFA's have a far better chance than they used to. Draft picks are getting cut left and right now...why? Because teams no longer issue perfunctory roster spots for them when they don't cut the mustard.

Just because you can point to one instance doesn't make it an actual fact for all.

There are just as many draftee's cut this year as there was 5 years ago. 40 This year, 30 in 2006, 40 in 2005, and the averages are the same going all the way back to the 2000 draft.
 
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Just because you can point to one instance doesn't make it an actual fact for all.

There are just as many draftee's cut this year as there was 5 years ago. 40 This year, 30 in 2006, 40 in 2005, and the averages are the same going all the way back to the 2000 draft.

I don't trust those stats Joe...it seems more and more each year higher draft picks are getting released more than ever. Teams don't have the patience anymore and they are figuring out that some draftees take three and four years to develop and then he bolts in free agency.

This league has become much more about "what are you doing for me now"...the patient, "we'll wait for you to come around" approach is becoming more and more obsolete.
 

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Man, Joe, I usually am persuaded by your thoughts, but you lost me on this one.

Where exactly did I loss you. the fact that you have no idea if the Cards would have selected Moses over Davis.

Or the fact that Moses is an addition to and not a substitution of a 3rd rounder draft pick.

Not that hard to understand.
 
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Where exactly did I loss you. the fact that you have no idea if the Cards would have selected Moses over Davis.

Or the fact that Moses is an addition to and not a substitution of a 3rd rounder draft pick.

Not that hard to understand.

Who wouldn't have taken Moses over Davis? Are you kidding me? Pass rushers of Moses' ilk are few and far between.

Sure it would have been even more sublime to claim Moses and still have a third rounder...but, it's all the more auspicious that the Cards were able to recover a lost third round pick with a higher third round pick at a position of dire need.

How can anyone, especially you, Joe, not see this as a fortuitous bounce in the Cardinals' direction?
 

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I don't trust those stats Joe...it seems more and more each year higher draft picks are getting released more than ever. Teams don't have the patience anymore and they are figuring out that some draftees take three and four years to develop and then he bolts in free agency.

This league has become much more about "what are you doing for me now"...the patient, "we'll wait for you to come around" approach is becoming more and more obsolete.

You dont have to trust it, but I know it to be a fact. Someone even posted an article about it in one of these long threads.

You either think I am just making it up or you don't want to believe it since it doesn't line up with what your perception is.
 

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