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[Zeno]

Yup, Roy Williams sure had another stellar game tonight against the Giants, didn't he?

I'm guessing he is talking about the WR??

 

[az1965]

I disagree. This team HAD to get rid of Leonard Davis. Thus getting a guy in here that has a completely different mentality and actually appears to be good.

Now imagine this team right now with Peterson, an out for the season Ross and no L. Brown.

We made the right choice regardless of whether or not you agree with the reasons it was made.

Oh and your silly!

Yes, indeed...

 

[az1965]

Shane- guess what? It only takes one team to make a trade and you don't think the 'boys or the 'skins wouldn't have seriously considered trading for LD during last season? We could've gotten a pick for him and then drafted AP and gotten a decent OT. This team couldn't have used Peterson's speed huh?

Ok... let's qualify the process. Considering our FO, that was the right move . You seriously expect such complicated manuvering from our FO???

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Cheese you are really stretching it lately. Special backs don't come around as often as OL??? Huh? Special RB's (RB's in general) come along more often than special OL i would say. How long have we been looking for a tackle exactly?

Lets take special out of the equation and say productive. Productive backs come out ALL THE TIME. I think AP is going to be all world, but Lynch looked pretty damn good yesterday too so its anyones guess who will go on to have a more productive career. Can peterson stay healthy? we will see.

But getting an OL that you can put one side and not worry about doesn't happen very often at all. Theres like 4-5 in the league. I am not saying Brown is there yet but hes looked really good so far. This was the right move. we can get a special back next year - McFadden is as good as Peterson (and i think that world of AP).

OT is not noticed as much but is probably the key to the offense oter than QB. Ask a Seahawks fan how important walter Jones is. As Rams fans if the game changed after Pace went out yesterday. It doesnt take a genius to notice AP's go yard screen run. The knowledgable football fan looks and sees Hutchinson and Mckinnie and knows how important they are to AP's success.

It so funny how wishy wasy everyone is. we always complain about the Cards making the flashy move and putting the cart before the horse i.e Edgerrin James and Emmitt Smith. Then the cards do the right thing and turn down the flashy move and get some blocking up fron and everyone ******* that we didn't go for the all world talent.

Seriously, the FO hasn't done much to earn our trust but lets see how our running game looks this season before we start sweating AP. If edge has a better year than no one will be questioning whether Levi was the right choice.

 

[az1965]

Based on the flashes from the preseason, if Brown turns out even a solid OT, we will have fixed the right side of the OL for years to come! I will take that over any stud RB anytime of the day based on how we have been suffering on the OL for years.

 

[Duckjake]

Cheese you are really stretching it lately. Special backs don't come around as often as OL??? Huh? Special RB's (RB's in general) come along more often than special OL i would say. How long have we been looking for a tackle exactly?

Until I see how Gandy does at LT I'll say we're still looking for a left tackle. Levi Brown did not replace Davis. He replaced Wells. The Cards could have drafted Peterson, left Wells at RT and Milford Brown at G. Guards are not nearly as difficult to find.

After watching Davis play guard for Dallas and our oline during preseason, I really think that the oline problems the last 3 years have been a result of two things. Davis playing out of position at LT and not having an experienced Center.

 

[CardShark]

I'm happy we took Brown. He's going to help our run game and he's going to keep Leinart from getting buried. Leinart is the future of this team and you have to protect him.

There will be other "special" backs available. We may have to trade up to get one though. The back from LSU looks pretty good. I don't recall his name right now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And you think that going on about it is going to change that? Good luck with that strategy.

uh, where did I say that? This is a MESSAGE BOARD - IT'S WHERE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE TEAM.

Get over it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese you are really stretching it lately. Special backs don't come around as often as OL??? Huh? Special RB's (RB's in general) come along more often than special OL i would say. How long have we been looking for a tackle exactly?

a) No, I don't think special backs come out that often - and b) I don't believe Brown to be one of those special tackles and neither did anyone else before the draft. In fact, everyone thought Brown was taken a little high, but was taken for need as he was graded by a majority of the publications to have gone around 10 or so - not exactly the spot where a "special OT" is taken, is it? Now if it we took someone as highly touted as Pace, or Ogden or even the OT the Browns drafted, fine - all those guys were looked at as can't miss prospects - but there were question marks about our guy and he wasn't the "can't miss" tackle in the draft, thus I would have taken the special running back.

but, hey what do I know? I'm just stretching it lately, even though that special running back came in and had 100 yards rushing and a 60 yard recieving touchdown.

 

[az1965]

There were question marks about the special running back as well. Who cares where Brown was projected. The team evaluated him and was satisfied in taking him. Of course, the success of any draft is seen 2-3 years afterwards but initial signs are good.

 

[Shane]

a) No, I don't think special backs come out that often - and b) I don't believe Brown to be one of those special tackles and neither did anyone else before the draft. In fact, everyone thought Brown was taken a little high, but was taken for need as he was graded by a majority of the publications to have gone around 10 or so - not exactly the spot where a "special OT" is taken, is it? Now if it we took someone as highly touted as Pace, or Ogden or even the OT the Browns drafted, fine - all those guys were looked at as can't miss prospects - but there were question marks about our guy and he wasn't the "can't miss" tackle in the draft, thus I would have taken the special running back.

but, hey what do I know? I'm just stretching it lately, even though that special running back came in and had 100 yards rushing and a 60 yard recieving touchdown.

Sorry cheese but it was well documented prior to the draft that there were NFL people who believed that Levi Brown was a special T prospect and a better one than Joe Thomas. Was it consensus? Hell no. But there were people that thought it. From everything I have read Grimm was likely one of them.

Im with Finest on this. I believe Special RB's are much more common than OT's.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

There were question marks about the special running back as well. Who cares where Brown was projected. The team evaluated him and was satisfied in taking him. Of course, the success of any draft is seen 2-3 years afterwards but initial signs are good.

1) I would have been elated to grab Peterson with the R1 pick, and Ugoh with the 2nd.

2) The past 3 drafts have looked good initially.

 

[Shane]

1) I would have been elated to grab Peterson with the R1 pick, and Ugoh with the 2nd.

2) The past 3 drafts have looked good initially.

The NFL is won in the trenches. Cant argue with Brown and the one DT in the draft who many stated was a top 10 talent in the 2nd rd.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sorry cheese but it was well documented prior to the draft that there were NFL people who believed that Levi Brown was a special T prospect and a better one than Joe Thomas. Was it consensus? Hell no. But there were people that thought it. From everything I have read Grimm was likely one of them.

sorry, but I can't remember even ONE pre-draft analysis saying Brown was just as good, if NOT BETTER than Joe Thomas Shane and even if there were a couple, the OVERWHELMING consesus was Thomas was the much better prospect and you know it.

 

[Shane]

sorry, but I can't remember even ONE pre-draft analysis saying Brown was just as good, if NOT BETTER than Joe Thomas Shane and even if there were a couple, the OVERWHELMING consesus was Thomas was the much better prospect and you know it.

Im not arguing that. But there were definitely rumbles that there were a few that though L. Brown was the better prospect. Plenty of it around here leading up to the draft with many saying they specualte that Grimm and Whsienhunt like Brown more than Thomas.

You must have been to busy in the Suns forum to read it all. Because you are non existent around her ein the off season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Im not arguing that. But there were definitely rumbles that there were a few that though L. Brown was the better prospect. Plenty of it around here leading up to the draft with many saying they specualte that Grimm and Whsienhunt like Brown more than Thomas.

You must have been to busy in the Suns forum to read it all. Because you are non existent around her ein the off season.

That's actually during my yearly hiatus from the board - not here at all - doesn't mean I'm still not reading everything. And yes, of course the word was gonna be Grimm and Wuz liked Brown more - I'd say that too if I had no shot to draft the guy I thought was better and had no opportunity to draft (Thomas).

 

[Shane]

That's actually during my yearly hiatus from the board - not here at all - doesn't mean I'm still not reading everything. And yes, of course the word was gonna be Grimm and Wuz liked Brown more - I'd say that too if I had no shot to draft the guy I thought was better and had no opportunity to draft (Thomas).

Comne on now Cheese. Almost everyone around was predicting that Thomas would fall like Leinart and that he was our if we wanted him. Didnt happen obviously.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Comne on now Cheese. Almost everyone around was predicting that Thomas would fall like Leinart and that he was our if we wanted him. Didnt happen obviously.

I remember reading around the net that most people thought he was gonna go to the Browns (like he did) or to the Lions or to Tampa, all of whom needed desperate help at OT. Maybe everyone around HERE was predicting that, but that doesn't say much.

 

[Shane]

I remember reading around the net that most people thought he was gonna go to the Browns (like he did) or to the Lions or to Tampa, all of whom needed desperate help at OT. Maybe everyone around HERE was predicting that, but that doesn't say much.

Interesting. Maybe.

 

[Duckjake]

He is better than cedric benson the back that took AD's spot at UT.

Benson was a senior when AD was a Freshman. AD would have taken Benson's spot at UT not the other way around.

Too bad AD couldn't have taken James' spot in Arizona but with our history and his history it probably wouldn't have been a good match.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

but, hey what do I know? I'm just stretching it lately, even though that special running back came in and had 100 yards rushing and a 60 yard recieving touchdown.

Cheese this is what you are just missing . Behind a Cardinals line sans Brown and Sans Davis he ain't running for even 30 yards behind our line. AP is special no doubt but he is certainly helped by a vetran O-line with ProBowlers abound (Hutch, Mckinnie, Birk)

Once again cart before the horse.

Next year AP would have been the pick. This year we HAD to go OT. Now you can say the Cards should have kept Davis so they could have drafted BPA but it didnt work that way.

And for what its worth for what Wiz and Grimm like to do and the type of OL they have brought in and drafted in the past - I am not entirely convinced that they would have drafted Thomas should they both have been on the board. Just because the pundits like one guy better doesn't mean every team is going to see it that way. For further proof look no farther than our starting back field.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Interesting. Maybe.

meh - to be honest, I don't care all that much - if Brown's a stud, like you and I actually said earlier in the thread, our O-line will be solidified for the most for years to come, which in of itself will be humungous... and kool-aid is starting to replace the blood in my body as kick-off nears - PLEASE GOD - LET ME BE COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT THIS SEASON!

Let's go Kick some Niners ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

Benson was a senior when AD was a Freshman. AD would have taken Benson's spot at UT not the other way around.

Too bad AD couldn't have taken James' spot in Arizona but with our history and his history it probably wouldn't have been a good match.

You know in hindsight it's a lot easier to understand just why those 2 heralded kids from Texas, Bomar and Peterson, went to OU?

At the time people thought it was the sign of the apocalypse that Texas could lose the 2 best prospects in the state but they've done just fine even after losing Perriloux to LSU. Near as I can tell there was no funny business with him, but Bomar and Peterson?

 

[az1965]

And for what its worth for what Wiz and Grimm like to do and the type of OL they have brought in and drafted in the past - I am not entirely convinced that they would have drafted Thomas should they both have been on the board. Just because the pundits like one guy better doesn't mean every team is going to see it that way. For further proof look no farther than our starting back field.

Right! And the pundits have been wrong so many times... that's why you do your own homework and if satisfied, get the guy, like Brown.

 

[Lorenzo]

Benson was a senior when AD was a Freshman. AD would have taken Benson's spot at UT not the other way around.

Too bad AD couldn't have taken James' spot in Arizona but with our history and his history it probably wouldn't have been a good match.

exactly.....that is the reason AD never came to texas. Like benson, he was the best RB in TexasHSF during his tenure. The difference was benson went to a higher profile school that won 3 straight championships. he wanted to play for texas, but either UT didn't recruit him as heavily or wouldn't let him play his first year. On the flip side OU was all over him like UT should of been. Let's just say he gashed the UT defense in his first season. AD is a stud. I don't know that the cards should of taken him, but he is a special RB. not just some other good guy coming out of college.