A Plethora of Small Forwards

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Just wanted to use "plethora" in a sentence. :D

Besides Hill and Dudley who are listed as small forwards, there is J-Rich and Childress who are big enough, Hedo and Warrick who are listed as power forwards but too small, and Clark who is big enough to be a power forward but lacks the temperment. On a roster 12, this is 7 players who are as uited to be at small forward as any.

For example, Hill had 0.18 rebounds per minute, J-Rich had 0.16.rebounds per minute last season, Warrick had 0.19 last season with Chicago at SF and 0.207 with Milwaukee. Hill is 6'8", J-Rich is 6''6" and Warrick is 6'9". All three is around 225 pounds. Yet Hill is the only one listed at SF.

So while it is likely that Hill will slow down in a few years and J-Rich has an expiring contract, there is no lack of candidates for their replacement. What is not clear is what the team's plans are this year.
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1. SARVER DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING: This is a popular theory. The jury is out for this season, but right now the overstocking of small forards seems odd.

2. THE REAL PLAN IS TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR AND USE THE CAP SPACE FOR SERIOUS FREE AGENT: Nobody comes to mind, but cap space gives you a lot of options including trades.

3. FORCE FEED LAWAL AS A POWER FORWARD: This may mean letting guys sit, etc. if Lawal proves to be an adequate replacement for Amundson.

4. Make a trade using some of the team's small forwards. They may wait until Clark proves himself or for good offers. It has been a while since the Suns had much in the way of trading pieces without breaking up the core.
 

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5. Sarver knows exactly what he's doing and it doesn't involve winning championships. Ride the fan friendly Nash-express 'till he cant any longer, and keep the fans interested enough to keep coming to the arena and get excited about the fun n gun for 6 months out of the year. Sell the team prior to the inevitable "true" blow up in a few years.
 

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I'm going with we're stockpiling assets for a future trade. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
 

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6. There's no such thing as Power Forwards or Small Forwards, just forwards. We have plenty of them, some interchangeable between the two and three others between the 3 and 4. That's the 2010 Suns for you, forwards by committee and defense not the top priority.

No problem with it and I think you're selling Sarver short by saying he's not trying to win. Amare was gone anyway, replacing him near impossible, so he's done the best he could given the circumstances.

Big call but this team will go far into the playoffs again.
 

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I'm going with we're stockpiling assets for a future trade. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Agree. I think this is the plan.

Awhile back, I believe it was Sarver, that said the Suns best chance of acquiring a franchise player was accumulating a number of quality players with reasonable contracts to make a trade. I don't think this idea came from Sarver but probably Lon Babby or someone else with basketball knowledge.
 

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6. There's no such thing as Power Forwards or Small Forwards, just forwards. We have plenty of them, some interchangeable between the two and three others between the 3 and 4. That's the 2010 Suns for you, forwards by committee and defense not the top priority.

No problem with it and I think you're selling Sarver short by saying he's not trying to win. Amare was gone anyway, replacing him near impossible, so he's done the best he could given the circumstances.

Big call but this team will go far into the playoffs again.

I tend to agree with your concept about 3/4s during the Suns regular season. Unfortunately the referees call a different game in the playoffs.
 

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What exactly is the difference between the regular season and the playoffs and how does it impact the Suns?

Assuming this difference does exist and taking on board the two ideas reiterated in this thread of stockpiling of assets (irish) and Sarver wanting to win now (mine) then option 7 opens up:

7. Wait for the midseason, assess the prospects of our team and if we're looking really good then trade for a key piece irrespective (relative term) of cost, or if we're looking only pretty good or even average then sit tight, see the season out and trade then. Or just not trade at all of course if we're looking really good.

Look what I just found - pretty harsh, can't say I agree with it.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_worst_trade_in_NBA_history
 

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What exactly is the difference between the regular season and the playoffs and how does it impact the Suns?

Assuming this difference does exist and taking on board the two ideas reiterated in this thread of stockpiling of assets (irish) and Sarver wanting to win now (mine) then option 7 opens up:

7. Wait for the midseason, assess the prospects of our team and if we're looking really good then trade for a key piece irrespective (relative term) of cost, or if we're looking only pretty good or even average then sit tight, see the season out and trade then. Or just not trade at all of course if we're looking really good.

Look what I just found - pretty harsh, can't say I agree with it.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_worst_trade_in_NBA_history


In the playoffs the referees swallow their whistle so opposing bigs can out muscle the Suns smaller front line. It happens every post season.

IMO, what the Suns will do personnel wise depends on how the season unfolds. I'm expecting a trade to happen before the trading deadline unless the Suns can complete their roster now with a competent C/F.

A big reason Shawn Marion was traded for Shaq is that Suns thought it be worth a drive around the block with a legitimate big. Also Marion was openly unhappy in Phoenix. However, really helping that trade was getting rid of Marcus Bank's contract.
 
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The Marion for Shaq deeal did not work out, but it "might" have. The basic truth is that the Suns had no chance once they made that stupid trade of KT. Marion was not a REAL PF, and Amare was not a REAL CENTER.

iN 2008-09, the Suns won 47 games without Amare and coach who didn't understand his own team with Porter. By season end, Shaq had worn out his welcome, but it wasn't a stupid deal.

Marion has been overrated by people who saw on his stats, but not how he couldn't defend the 4 or play offense as a 3. His remaining career showed his problem.
 

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What exactly is the difference between the regular season and the playoffs and how does it impact the Suns?

Assuming this difference does exist and taking on board the two ideas reiterated in this thread of stockpiling of assets (irish) and Sarver wanting to win now (mine) then option 7 opens up:

7. Wait for the midseason, assess the prospects of our team and if we're looking really good then trade for a key piece irrespective (relative term) of cost, or if we're looking only pretty good or even average then sit tight, see the season out and trade then. Or just not trade at all of course if we're looking really good.
has this ever worked for a team? a mid season trade that comes in and leads the team to a title? not saying it cant i just cant think of one off the top of my head.
 

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has this ever worked for a team? a mid season trade that comes in and leads the team to a title? not saying it cant i just cant think of one off the top of my head.
Rasheed Wallace? :shrug:
Traded from Portland/Hawks to the Detriot Pistons.
 

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has this ever worked for a team? a mid season trade that comes in and leads the team to a title? not saying it cant i just cant think of one off the top of my head.

Long time Suns fans will remember picking up Gar Heard in the middle of the '75-'76 season and going to the finals against the Celtics and Heard's shot Heard round the world in Game 5 at the end of double OT in Boston.
 

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Long time Suns fans will remember picking up Gar Heard in the middle of the '75-'76 season and going to the finals against the Celtics and Heard's shot Heard round the world in Game 5 at the end of double OT in Boston.
But, alas, it became a hell of a Cinderella year, but not a title.

It also encouraged the Suns to play a light Center at the top of the key, which has doomed us ever since.
 
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I was not here in the Alvin Adams period, so I don't remember the Suns explicitly choosing little guys rather than good bigs. I do remember too many not very good bigs who couldn't move (remember Big Jake) or guys with minimal skills like Voskuhl, or guys who were just "soft" like Googs and Longley, and bigs who just weren't much like Corrie Blunt.

Cliff Robinson was very talentd, but not strong enogh. McDyce was mishandled and so walked for a lot less money.

My experience is that the Colangelos loved bigs, but weren't very good at finding ones who could play and stay healthy.
 

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