A quick review....then and now...

[NeverSayDieFan]

1st...let me say that I honestly respect each and all of you and your opinions. Everyone on here is very passionate about our Cards and I greatly enjoy being part of this board. That being said...a quick review.

Not that long ago, there was a great deal of hand-wringing over the Arians hire...I'd say it's turned out pretty amazing to this point.

Not that long ago, there was a great deal of tongue-knashing over the Bowles hire...That has turned out very well, as well.

Not that long ago, there were a lot of puzzled looks and concern on draft day over drafting some guy named John Brown...I'd say we've already clearly seen how he's a game-changer.

My point is simple...it is time for us who have always struggled with the "trust-issue" with this team (for me it's been 47+years...a BIG chunk of my life!) to just...LET IT GO!

My friends, we now have people, from top to bottom, in this organization who know how to get things done.....so we can now RELAX...and JUST ENJOY!

OKAY! BACK TO BASKING!!
Have a great day one and all.

MARK IN SC

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

Take that positive attitude and go home. This board is for Cards fans.

Just kidding, nice post.

 

[Snakester]

It is nice to see the Cards top to bottom being run well.

 

[Wildfire]

After almost 50 years, it truly satisfying to see a really good front office and coaching staff working together to put an outstanding group of players on the field.

Our super bowl run was a miracle, but this years team has the talent and ability to go all the way and win the damn game.

Dittos on your great post.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Yep - and as much grief as Keim gets from K9, here is why I like the guy (esp compared to the QB debacle from Graves).

Drops Bishop just because, covers Abraham with Benard, drops Benard and rolls with Butler.
Covers Dwyer with Parmele (drop Rainey, covers with Williams). Drops Parmele, covers with Grice.
Brings in Gaston, likely to help cover Ta'uma or just because they want the depth.

That is 3 weeks into his second year, not his first. Love the roster churn at the bottom.

09/24/2014 Cardinals sign DT BRUCE GASTON from Miami Dolphins practice squad. Release RB JALEN PARMELE
09/23/2014 Cardinals sign RB MARION GRICE to two-year deal, release P DREW BUTLER
09/19/2014 Cardinals put LB JOHN ABRAHAM (concussion) on injured reserve, re-sign P DREW BUTLER
09/18/2014 Cardinals place RB JONATHAN DWYER on the reserve/non-football illness list, re-sign RB JALEN PARMELE. Cut RB CHRIS RAINEY from practice squad, sign RB KERWYNN WILLIAMS
09/16/2014 Cardinals sign OLB VICTOR BUTLER, release P DREW BUTLER and OLB MARCUS BENARD
09/10/2014 Cardinals put LB JOHN ABRAHAM on reserve list, re-sign LB MARCUS BENARD with roster exemption
09/09/2014 Cardinals sign CB TEDDY WILLIAMS and RB CHRIS RAINEY to practice squad. Release WR KEVIN CONE from practice squad, put RB DOMINIQUE WILLIAMS (knee) on practice squad/injured list
09/08/2014 Cardinals sign P DREW BUTLER
09/06/2014 Cardinals release LB DESMOND BISHOP

 

[Duckjake]

Not too long ago Ray Horton was being touted as a great HC candidate after having turned around a decades long tradition of horrendous Cardinal defense. . Not too long ago the Cards won 11 of 13 games with Kevin Kolb and John Skelton at
QB including handing the Prticheats their first loss in a home opener in a jillion years. But now that those guys are gone it was all luck.

Longer ago I read how Dave McGinnis was a great HC and was building a team with heart that was going to take us to the SB. I also got to watch the Cards finish 5-11 5 times in 10 years while draped in Cardinals Koolaid made by ASFN.

Then I got to sit in the PUP and watch the Cards coached by a guy many now say was lucky because he had Kurt Warner win an NFC championship.

And people here wonder why some don't buy into the koolaid as soon as it's set on the table.

 

[Duckjake]

Especially when the Koolaid was always being shipped in from Pittsburgh.

 

[Darkside]

I'm always drunk on koolaid. I'm koolaid's little bitch.

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[Redneck Voodoo]

Not too long ago Ray Horton was being touted as a great HC candidate after having turned around a decades long tradition of horrendous Cardinal defense. . Not too long ago the Cards won 11 of 13 games with Kevin Kolb and John Skelton at
QB including handing the Prticheats their first loss in a home opener in a jillion years. But now that those guys are gone it was all luck.

Longer ago I read how Dave McGinnis was a great HC and was building a team with heart that was going to take us to the SB. I also got to watch the Cards finish 5-11 5 times in 10 years while draped in Cardinals Koolaid made by ASFN.

Then I got to sit in the PUP and watch the Cards coached by a guy many now say was lucky because he had Kurt Warner win an NFC championship.

And people here wonder why some don't buy into the koolaid as soon as it's set on the table.

Don't forget when Max Hall beat New Orleans in his first start. Of course, we know that wasn't luck. That was more like a cruel joke perpetrated on us by some omniscient evil being. The god of MOXIE!

 

[Perfectionist]

1st...let me say that I honestly respect each and all of you and your opinions. Everyone on here is very passionate about our Cards and I greatly enjoy being part of this board. That being said...a quick review.

Not that long ago, there was a great deal of hand-wringing over the Arians hire...I'd say it's turned out pretty amazing to this point.

Not that long ago, there was a great deal of tongue-knashing over the Bowles hire...That has turned out very well, as well.

Not that long ago, there were a lot of puzzled looks and concern on draft day over drafting some guy named John Brown...I'd say we've already clearly seen how he's a game-changer.

My point is simple...it is time for us who have always struggled with the "trust-issue" with this team (for me it's been 47+years...a BIG chunk of my life!) to just...LET IT GO!

My friends, we now have people, from top to bottom, in this organization who know how to get things done.....so we can now RELAX...and JUST ENJOY!

OKAY! BACK TO BASKING!!
Have a great day one and all.

MARK IN SC

How how I truly wanna believe! But this post might have just convinced me!!

Another MARK IN SC

 

[asudevil83]

Its hard for many of us to look at each move being made as a positive, when most of us in the past have only seen moves that have ended up biting us in the ass hard.

We have not had many years basking in the glory of a FO that both has confidence in the moves they make while also making the right moves.

It does seem like every move this new regime made the past two years has had the touch of gold. I do wonder though when the majority of us will stop looking over there shoulder for the bugga-boo that rears its ugly head year in a year out and seriously ENJOY a season of football.

I feel like there are quite a few people who find it hard to enjoy being a cardinals fan. Constantly second guessing each move made, just waiting for a time they can say "i knew it" or "i should have known", is no way to go through a season.

 

[ajcardfan]

Like Arians said this week, it's a quick trip to the craphouse. Go back and read the threads after we shut out the Eagles at home to go 3-0 just two years ago. Then, read them a month later.

Yes, enjoy the moment. It could be incredibly fleeting.

 

[asudevil83]

Like Arians said this week, it's a quick trip to the craphouse. Go back and read the threads after we shut out the Eagles at home to go 3-0 just two years ago. Then, read them a month later.

Yes, enjoy the moment. It could be incredibly fleeting.

um.....this start is NOTHING like that 4-0 start 2 years ago. Comparing the two......well

the writing on the walls was there after the loss to the Rams. I called it. It was a INCREDIBLY SAD first loss. I said we'd be lucky to be 5-6 in a few weeks, and the following loss to the Bills that we'd be lucky to finish 5-11.

And there were many that saw it as the first of MANY losses to come.

TERRIBLE offensive line
TERRIBLE QB
TERRIBLE coaching
TERRIBLE running game

this start right now lacks all of that garbage that possessed that TERRIBLE cardinals team.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like both Whiz and Arians. I wasn't concerned with losing Horton and didn't have any qualms with Bowles.

As for Keim, I like him too but, in reality, almost anyone the Cards hired was going to be an improvement over Graves. Graves played golf 6 days a week and did really nothing of significance. It's amazing he kept that job as long as he did. His golf hdcp went down though .

With Keim's drafting, I think the jury is still out. He's had success with lower round picks but he is going to have to start hitting on players in the first 2 rounds. I'm not saying Cooper, Minter, Buccanon, and Niklas are busts, or are not going to have an impact, but if lower round picks like Brown and Ellington are already having big impacts, you'd hope the top picks would be as well.

 

[Duckjake]

I still don't get the claims of terrible coaching with Whisenhunt. Except for Russ Grimm of course. You don't go to the SB or advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs with terrible coaching. CKW simply had no QB and we have debated whose fault that was forever.

You want terrible coaching look at Denny Green.5-11 with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, Bert Berry, Antrel Rolle, Antonio Smith, Chike Okeafor, Edgerrin James, and Adrian Wilson.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Like Arians said this week, it's a quick trip to the craphouse. Go back and read the threads after we shut out the Eagles at home to go 3-0 just two years ago. Then, read them a month later.

Yes, enjoy the moment. It could be incredibly fleeting.

This.

 

[PACardsFan]

I still don't get the claims of terrible coaching with Whisenhunt. Except for Russ Grimm of course. You don't go to the SB or advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs with terrible coaching. CKW simply had no QB and we have debated whose fault that was forever.

You want terrible coaching look at Denny Green.5-11 with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, Bert Berry, Antrel Rolle, Antonio Smith, Chike Okeafor, Edgerrin James, and Adrian Wilson.

Bingo!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Like Arians said this week, it's a quick trip to the craphouse. Go back and read the threads after we shut out the Eagles at home to go 3-0 just two years ago. Then, read them a month later.

seriously... people here saying everyone knew the 4-0 start was a mirage is revisionist history. People were touting Kolb as a good game manager (most of whom saying they were vindicated for being gaga over him the previous off-season), and we had just pulled off the biggest upset ever, going into NE and winning (in a game we dominated and then blew with Williams' fumble) and then we came into a game against the Eagles, who were 2-0 and a big favorite to get back to the playoffs (after they had gone 10-6 the previous year) and absolutely wiped the floor with them. This board was going nuts for that team.

that's what gives me pause here, but I do think our coaching is better and our QB situation is MUCH better. We basically have a Kolb-ish backup in stanton who can stay healthy and our starter is a lot better then anything we had back then. But to say everyone knew that 2012 team was a fraud forgets we were in the midst of a 11-2 run, which included beating the Niners, Patriots and pasting the Eagles (who were considered good at the time).

 

[Darkside]

I still don't get the claims of terrible coaching with Whisenhunt. Except for Russ Grimm of course. You don't go to the SB or advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs with terrible coaching. CKW simply had no QB and we have debated whose fault that was forever.

You want terrible coaching look at Denny Green.5-11 with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, Bert Berry, Antrel Rolle, Antonio Smith, Chike Okeafor, Edgerrin James, and Adrian Wilson.

That's one thing I never understood about the Denny era. He did a great job in Minny and everything I ever read about the dude was that he was a good coach. Yet he had talent here and did nothing.

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[Darkside]

seriously... people here saying everyone knew the 4-0 start was a mirage is revisionist history. People were touting Kolb as a good game manager (most of whom saying they were vindicated for being gaga over him the previous off-season), and we had just pulled off the biggest upset ever, going into NE and winning (in a game we dominated and then blew with Williams' fumble) and then we came into a game against the Eagles, who were 2-0 and a big favorite to get back to the playoffs (after they had gone 10-6 the previous year) and absolutely wiped the floor with them. This board was going nuts for that team.

that's what gives me pause here, but I do think our coaching is better and our QB situation is MUCH better. We basically have a Kolb-ish backup in stanton who can stay healthy and our starter is a lot better then anything we had back then. But to say everyone knew that 2012 team was a fraud forgets we were in the midst of a 11-2 run, which included beating the Niners, Patriots and pasting the Eagles (who were considered good at the time).

I was all in on Kolb and Skelton. My only question was which one would take us to the playoffs...

In my defense though, I thought our defense was so good we only needed a QB to play average. They just couldn't do it.

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[Krangodnzr]

One thing I know my brother and I talk about sometimes in reference to this team, is how different the talent level of the roster is from teams pre-Michael's intervention.

Go back and look at some of the rosters from the 90's. The team had only a handful of good starters, backups were all fringe practice squad types. The talent level was MISERABLE. Guys like Tony Jefferson would have been top ten players on the team. Now they are role players. Night and day difference, and one of the reasons that the "same ole' Cards" argument is BS.

 

[ajcardfan]

um.....this start is NOTHING like that 4-0 start 2 years ago. Comparing the two......well

the writing on the walls was there after the loss to the Rams. I called it. It was a INCREDIBLY SAD first loss. I said we'd be lucky to be 5-6 in a few weeks, and the following loss to the Bills that we'd be lucky to finish 5-11.

And there were many that saw it as the first of MANY losses to come.

TERRIBLE offensive line
TERRIBLE QB
TERRIBLE coaching
TERRIBLE running game

this start right now lacks all of that garbage that possessed that TERRIBLE cardinals team.

Yes, reality was definitely setting in after the Rams game.

But, after winning in New England and then shutting out Philly, we had similar Power Rankings as now and the dream was alive. That's why I said read the post-game Philly threads.

 

[Shaggy]

I still don't get the claims of terrible coaching with Whisenhunt. Except for Russ Grimm of course. You don't go to the SB or advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs with terrible coaching. CKW simply had no QB and we have debated whose fault that was forever.

You want terrible coaching look at Denny Green.5-11 with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, Bert Berry, Antrel Rolle, Antonio Smith, Chike Okeafor, Edgerrin James, and Adrian Wilson.

That's what I didn't get. With that talent they could have been SB contenders and they were far from it.

 

[Shaggy]

seriously... people here saying everyone knew the 4-0 start was a mirage is revisionist history. People were touting Kolb as a good game manager (most of whom saying they were vindicated for being gaga over him the previous off-season), and we had just pulled off the biggest upset ever, going into NE and winning (in a game we dominated and then blew with Williams' fumble) and then we came into a game against the Eagles, who were 2-0 and a big favorite to get back to the playoffs (after they had gone 10-6 the previous year) and absolutely wiped the floor with them. This board was going nuts for that team.

that's what gives me pause here, but I do think our coaching is better and our QB situation is MUCH better. We basically have a Kolb-ish backup in stanton who can stay healthy and our starter is a lot better then anything we had back then. But to say everyone knew that 2012 team was a fraud forgets we were in the midst of a 11-2 run, which included beating the Niners, Patriots and pasting the Eagles (who were considered good at the time).

Last night I went back in time and read several posts in the each game day thread of 2012 and everyone was elated with Kolb (so was I) and how he was a great QB in all those wins. Then the Rams game came along and it was a total reversal for the love for him and Whiz. It was just one game at 4-1 but everyone was posting like the season was over. That game was the game that showed the writing on the wall for the rest of the season for sure.

I honestly can't tell if this season will be the same as that season, but I can tell that this team now has jelled alot better then that team of old.

If we lose to Denver but its close and well fought, that will determine to me that this team can make the playoffs even with the loss. If its a blow out and the cards fail to do anything right, then here we go again.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Last night I went back in time and read several posts in the each game day thread of 2012 and everyone was elated with Kolb (so was I) and how he was a great QB in all those wins. Then the Rams game came along and it was a total reversal for the love for him and Whiz. It was just one game at 4-1 but everyone was posting like the season was over. That game was the game that showed the writing on the wall for the rest of the season for sure.

I honestly can't tell if this season will be the same as that season, but I can tell that this team now has jelled alot better then that team of old.

If we lose to Denver but its close and well fought, that will determine to me that this team can make the playoffs even with the loss. If its a blow out and the cards fail to do anything right, then here we go again.

eh... even if it's a blowout loss, I'm not going here we go again, and I'm usually one of the first to be skeptical of this team. our schedule shapes up pretty well over the next 8 games and that 3-0 start should keep us in it most of the season, IMO.