Adam Eaton

[Chris_Sanders]

I got into advanced hitting / pitching stats due to fantasy baseball but I haven't really looked at advanced fielding. But I was shocked to see Trumbo and Eaton so close so I thought, what about their careers?

Definitions:

FBIP% Percentage of plate appearances that ended up with a fly ball in play

F2O% Percentage of balls fielded that resulted in outs

Held% Percentage of plays where the runner did not advance (the ability to stop the guy at 1st)

Kill% Percentage of plays where the runner was thrown out trying to advance

Eaton versus Trumbo career fielding (CF versus RF respectively):

FBIP% F2O% Held% Kill%
Eaton 37% 50% 41.50% 2.80%
Trumbo 38% 50% 46.50% 2.30%

That is right...for their career....Adam Eaton is as bad as Mark Trumbo at outfield defense (Actually Trumbo is a bit better).

Some might say "Trumbo hasn't played right a lot, what about left"

He actually had better stats in left field.

This isn't a defense of Trumbo but an indictment of Eaton.

 

[Phrazbit]

There is no arguing Eaton has sucked out loud at the dish, but those defensive metric stats are useless.

Trumbo is the worst outfielder I have ever seen. Eaton is no where near his level of incompetence. Those stats don't account for things like Trumbo's astounding ability to turn what should be an out into a triple or double because he took a route that led him 15 feet short of the ball, then had to chase it to the fence. Fielding stats don't even give him an error for that and we've seen that play multiple times already. His level of suck in the field is hard to quantify until they come up with a stat that tracks the amount of plays where a guy looks like a little leaguer.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Those stats don't account for things like Trumbo's astounding ability to turn what should be an out into a triple or double because he took a route that led him 15 feet short of the ball, then had to chase it to the fence.

Yes it does. That is specifically why I looked at these ones because I agree with you on Trumbo's bad plays.

Held% Percentage of plays where the runner did not advance (the ability to stop the guy at 1st)

Fielding stats don't even give him an error for that and we've seen that play multiple times already.

That is precisely why I didn't look at errors.

His level of suck in the field is hard to quantify until they come up with a stat that tracks the amount of plays where a guy looks like a little leaguer.

What this told me is that Trumbo makes more routine plays but his bad plays are so awful they just stick with you.

 

[Phrazbit]

I get the held percentage, but that still does not account for him turning those plays in into doubles and triples, and not getting an error charged. 'Held' accounts for runners already on and not letting them advance. Trumbo allows extra base hits on plays that should be outs or singles.

 

[DWKB]

I think this thread is worthy of a bump.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think this thread is worthy of a bump.

Hah he was so bad early. Let me go see where he is at now.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

And he is up to .275. Won't hit .300 but will make my .270.

And it is again all on the back of an incredibly high balls in play

 

[DWKB]

And he is up to .275. Won't hit .300 but will make my .270.

And it is again all on the back of an incredibly high balls in play

Less high than last year, so regression is in play, but not as you predicted. I believe hitters have more influence in their BABIP than pitchers. I don't know what Eaton's true level should be. He is walking slightly more and has an OBP around .350 again. Much higher than your predicted .300.

I'd swap him in a second over Ender at Leadoff and LF.

 

[Matt L]

Looks like the offense is there but those defense numbers are troubling.

 

[Matt L]

Less high than last year, so regression is in play, but not as you predicted. I believe hitters have more influence in their BABIP than pitchers. I don't know what Eaton's true level should be. He is walking slightly more and has an OBP around .350 again. Much higher than your predicted .300.

I'd swap him in a second over Ender at Leadoff and LF.

Definitely agree about the bolded part.

 

[BC867]

I'd swap him in a second over Ender at Leadoff and LF.

I was a big fan of Adam Eaton when he was here, because he was the closest we had to a leadoff hitter. He paved the way for Ender.

I am curious why you would choose Eaton over Inciarte "in a second".

Especially when you consider Inciarte's arm and fielding at all 3 OF positions. And that Eaton hits behind a hitter in the AL. Inciarte hits behind a pitcher in the NL.

2015 TO-DATE

PLAYER...AB....R..2B..3B..HR..RBI..SB..OPS
Adam.....515..83..24...8...12...43...13..773
Ender.....449..65..23...3....4....39...17..713

I love Ender's ability to slap the ball to the opposite field. I wouldn't give him up for Eaton at this point.

 

[DWKB]

I was a big fan of Adam Eaton when he was here, because he was the closest we had to a leadoff hitter. He paved the way for Ender.

I am curious why you would choose Eaton over Inciarte "in a second".

Especially when you consider Inciarte's arm and fielding at all 3 OF positions. And that Eaton hits behind a hitter in the AL. Inciarte hits behind a pitcher in the NL.

2015 TO-DATE

PLAYER...AB....R..2B..3B..HR..RBI..SB..OPS
Adam.....515..83..24...8...12...43...13..773
Ender.....449..65..23...3....4....39...17..713

I love Ender's ability to slap the ball to the opposite field. I wouldn't give him up for Eaton at this point.

It's really simple, Eaton hits better, gets on base more, does more when he's on base than Ender.

Ender's ability to play RF (and being 2 years younger) is a mark in his favor, but it just doesn't make up for the offensive difference.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It's really simple, Eaton hits better, gets on base more, does more when he's on base than Ender.

Ender's ability to play RF (and being 2 years younger) is a mark in his favor, but it just doesn't make up for the offensive difference.

On a team that seemingly has little issue in scoring runs, is the offense differential between these two of any real consequence?

 

[DWKB]

On a team that seemingly has little issue in scoring runs, is the offense differential between these two of any real consequence?

Sure it is. Even with Eaton's poor CF offense this year he's worth a few games over Ender overall.

Not that it matters though. It's just more of a thinking exercise. I bumped the page because of the unbelievable turn around Eaton had this season after this thread started.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Sure it is. Even with Eaton's poor CF offense this year he's worth a few games over Ender overall.

Not that it matters though. It's just more of a thinking exercise. I bumped the page because of the unbelievable turn around Eaton had this season after this thread started.