Adrian Peterson...

[red desert]

is...


The Chosen One.


Just want to go on the record with that thought.

 

[Rats]

is...


The Chosen One.


Just want to go on the record with that thought.

Matt Leinart is......but AP could be seated at the righthand...errr Lefthand....

 

[artp]

And, when is the next time we will be able to draft a franchise RB? IF AP is there, DRAFT HIM! We can play out a sorry OL with Edge in 2007. We are not expected to make the Playoffs anyway. Edge will not be the RB in 2008.
BPA

 

[CardShark]

I would be happy with any one of three of the top 5 players;

Thomas, Johnson or Peterson.

I would also throw in Akoye.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

There are plenty of better running back prospects. Reggie Bush last year was better, and Darren McFadden next year will be better too. It's not as if he's a once in a decade player.

 

[seesred]

I don't think the Wiz of Cards is willing to throw this year away, and that's just one of the reasons we will not take an RB in the 1st round.

GBR
40

 

[overseascardfan]

There are plenty of better running back prospects. Reggie Bush last year was better, and Darren McFadden next year will be better too. It's not as if he's a once in a decade player.

I totally agree. Peterson will not duplicate his college and HS success with our O-line. Heck his HS line is probably better than our O-line last year. We have to upgrade our line, so if Thomas is there you take him if not trade down and pick either Levi Brown or Joe Staley not Patrick Willis or Derelle Revis. We can get a LB in the 2nd, DE in the 3rd and add O-line and secondary depth with 4, 5 , and 7 we will be set.

Next year we have McFadden, Hart, Forsett, Slaton, and James Davis coming out and I would be happy with any of those 5.

The year after that PJ Hill, Jonathan Stewart, CJ Gable, and CJ Spiller.

 

[Lorenzo]

I totally agree. Peterson will not duplicate his college and HS success with our O-line. Heck his HS line is probably better than our O-line last year. We have to upgrade our line, so if Thomas is there you take him if not trade down and pick either Levi Brown or Joe Staley not Patrick Willis or Derelle Revis. We can get a LB in the 2nd, DE in the 3rd and add O-line and secondary depth with 4, 5 , and 7 we will be set.

Next year we have McFadden, Hart, Forsett, Slaton, and James Davis coming out and I would be happy with any of those 5.

The year after that PJ Hill, Jonathan Stewart, CJ Gable, and CJ Spiller.

I don't know. AD was a beast in both high school and college. you might as well throw out h.s. because he was men amongst boys. In college he was very impressive as well. I think he is a better rb than bush is. I like mcfadden, but would like to see more of him. I'd rather have j.j. arrington than hart.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm in the Middle of a Mock

First four selections of a mock I'm involved in were Russell, C Johnson, Joe Thomas and Gaines Adams.

Still on my Board: Peterson, Quinn, L Brown, Willis, Nelson, Landry, Ginn, Revis. I couldn't find anyone willing to trade up with us.

So OK - Given that hand we've been dealt, what would you personally do?

My guess is that most of you reading this thread would leap all over Peterson. I didn't. Reason - I'm nervous about his injury history. His upright running style makes him a big target to take too many major league hits. And if we didn't draft him, we wouldn't die.

Instead, I bit the bullet and drafted Levi Brown. My rationale: The other aforementioned guys still on our Board (including Brown) are all fairly equal in talent (although some may rank slightly higher than others, for all intents & purposes, they're all close to dead-even as prospects).

And, although Thomas represents a safer "more ready" pick than Brown, I think Brown is physically more talented and also a better run blocker than Thomas and, therefore, a better fit for us over on Leinart's non blind side at LT.

As I've stated in earlier threads, I believe the Cardinals painted themselves in a corner by not addressing weakness and lack of depth on their O-line before the draft and now must do so with a selection in either Round One or Two. If we were to pass on Brown, we'd have to hope and pray that Staley or Blalock would be there when we picked at #38 and that would be a huge "if." If we were to fail here, I believe our entire 2007 season would be in jeopardy.

Therefore - assuming that's how the draft were to fall - if I were to stack my board in terms of "Player Who Can Help Us Most", Levi Brown would be my guy at #5 if we had to stand pat.

 

[Second Deck]

With our luck with 1st round RB's I would hold my breath and take Peterson. He seems to have a great balance of speed and power plus quick cuts. He is to good to pass on in my opinion.

 

[cardsfanmd]

There are plenty of better running back prospects. Reggie Bush last year was better, and Darren McFadden next year will be better too. It's not as if he's a once in a decade player.

I agree 100%. I would rather trade up and get McFadden next year anyhow. I feel he is way better than Peterson.

 

[Lorenzo]

I agree 100%. I would rather trade up and get McFadden next year anyhow. I feel he is way better than Peterson.

we'll see who's better. I don't see why the cards would feel that they have to have AD. I don't know that i've seen enough from mcfadden to say that he is way better......much less better. But waiting another year and trading up doesn't make sense for the cards. unless they have another high pick.

 

[Skkorpion]

Jeff, given those parameters, I really don't know what I'd do. Wish I had seen more of these guys. I have not seen a single Oklahoma game with Peterson healthy.

I've seen Jamarcus Russell a fair number of times And I just can't believe he'll go #1. He's a physical freak but a real project as an NFL QB, in my opinion. He might not be ready to play for three years or might even be a total bust. He's high risk, high reward.

 

[az jam]

Levi Brown is a reach at #5. I would take either Okoye or Jamaal Anderson. They both could be considered as BPA and worthy of the fifth pick.

 

[Mitch]

Red Desert: What is your mock draft for the Cardinals? Looking forward to it, man.

 

[Bobcat]

is...


The Chosen One.


Just want to go on the record with that thought.

I also agree with you. Thomas may seem like the best choice for us, but you really can not do what Houston did last year passing on Reggie Bush. Running backs like AP do not come along every year.

Maybe just maybe Ross may play well at RT. Edge is getting older, so AP would be our best choice. A good running game would make our Wide Outs even better than they are now. That just might be enough to get us over the hill to the Play-offs and even to the SB.


BOBCAT

 

[red desert]

Red Desert: What is your mock draft for the Cardinals? Looking forward to it, man.

Since you ask, I'll have one more beer and post it this evening. Thanks for asking.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I totally agree. Peterson will not duplicate his college and HS success with our O-line. Heck his HS line is probably better than our O-line last year. We have to upgrade our line, so if Thomas is there you take him if not trade down and pick either Levi Brown or Joe Staley not Patrick Willis or Derelle Revis. We can get a LB in the 2nd, DE in the 3rd and add O-line and secondary depth with 4, 5 , and 7 we will be set.

Next year we have McFadden, Hart, Forsett, Slaton, and James Davis coming out and I would be happy with any of those 5.

The year after that PJ Hill, Jonathan Stewart, CJ Gable, and CJ Spiller.

Oh, really...

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OUR OL... by SHARKMAN on the other board:

I know it's popular to trash the Cardinals offensive line because it has become a popular sport with the mainstream media....

....who know less than nothing about our team. Let me separate fact from fiction:

Fiction = The Cardinals offensive line sucked last year.
Fact = The Cardinals offensive sucked the first part of last season.
Fact = The Cardinals line was one of the best lines the second half of the season.

I offer the following quantifiable data as proof:

Run Blocking
First 8 games of the season Edge averaged 64 yards per game and 2.87 yards per carry. He had no 100 yard games.

The last 8 games of the season Edge averaged 90 yards per game and 4.3 yards per carry. He gained 100 yards 3 of the last 4 games.

By comparison, the Steelers vaunted line that helped Willie Parker get a pro bowl spot last season...Willie averaged 93.37 yards per game and 4.4 yards per carry. The averages are very similar to Edge's last half of the season. If Edge had those same averages for an entire season...he would gain over 1450 yards....which would probably get him a pro bowl nod.

Pass Blocking
Kurt Warner's first 4 games of the season:
12 sacks
10 fumbles
78.4 QB rating

Matt's first 5 games of the season:
13 sacks
899 yards
66.9 QB rating
.................................................. ........
Matt's last 5 games of the season:
6 sacks
1200 yards
95.5 QB rating (and a 137.3 rating his last game before injury)

Kurt's last 2 games of the season:
2 sacks
No fumbles
104.75 QB rating

By comparison, Pittsburgh's Big Ben had a QB rating of 84.2 the last 5 games of the season...and if you compare the same number of games played by each QB on corresponding weeks:
Big Ben = 43 sacks for the year
Matt = 21 sacks...............for the same number of games played.


Conclusion?
At the start of last season our line was without question one of the League's worst...but the second half of the season....statistically....it was in the top 30%.

We have everyone on the line returning from that same unit which showed promise...with the exception of Leonard Davis (the team leader in false start and holding penalties)...yes we need a replacement....but an average OT would be a significant upgrade. I'm not even taking into consideration the continued improvement the line should see under the competent tutelage of Russ Grimm.

The sky isn't falling...we don't need to "reach" for an underachieving tackle...if Joe Thomas falls to number 5....let's gladly take him...if he's not...pick the BPA and go for an OT in a later round.....or.....trade down and select Brown or Staley.

Our offensive line is fine...and will be better with Grimms coaching of Gorin & Ross....and value additions through the draft.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

First four selections of a mock I'm involved in were Russell, C Johnson, Joe Thomas and Gaines Adams.

Still on my Board: Peterson, Quinn, L Brown, Willis, Nelson, Landry, Ginn, Revis. I couldn't find anyone willing to trade up with us.

So OK - Given that hand we've been dealt, what would you personally do?

My guess is that most of you reading this thread would leap all over Peterson. I didn't. Reason - I'm nervous about his injury history. His upright running style makes him a big target to take too many major league hits. And if we didn't draft him, we wouldn't die.

Instead, I bit the bullet and drafted Levi Brown. My rationale: The other aforementioned guys still on our Board (including Brown) are all fairly equal in talent (although some may rank slightly higher than others, for all intents & purposes, they're all close to dead-even as prospects).

And, although Thomas represents a safer "more ready" pick than Brown, I think Brown is physically more talented and also a better run blocker than Thomas and, therefore, a better fit for us over on Leinart's non blind side at LT.

As I've stated in earlier threads, I believe the Cardinals painted themselves in a corner by not addressing weakness and lack of depth on their O-line before the draft and now must do so with a selection in either Round One or Two. If we were to pass on Brown, we'd have to hope and pray that Staley or Blalock would be there when we picked at #38 and that would be a huge "if." If we were to fail here, I believe our entire 2007 season would be in jeopardy.

Therefore - assuming that's how the draft were to fall - if I were to stack my board in terms of "Player Who Can Help Us Most", Levi Brown would be my guy at #5 if we had to stand pat.

I remember the same thing said about a running back coming out of SMU in the late 70's. He's now in the Hall of Fame. (Eric Dickerson)

 

[red desert]

I remember the same thing said about a running back coming out of SMU in the late 70's. He's now in the Hall of Fame. (Eric Dickerson)

That's right.

I understand why folks have concerns over AP's durability, to a degree.

I also understood why folks had concerns about Bush's durability, to a degree.

And why some had concerns about Barry Sanders durability, to a degree.

Likewise, I understood why folks had concerns about Thurman Thomas durability - to a degree.

There were similar concerns about Marshall Faulk. And why did LT drop to the number five pick? As I recall it was mostly because of the level of his competition, but there were also concerns about his durability.

Bottom line: AP will is going to Canton.

 

[artp]

There are plenty of better running back prospects. Reggie Bush last year was better, and Darren McFadden next year will be better too. It's not as if he's a once in a decade player.

My thinking is clouded by optimism. I am thinking we won't be drafting top 10 next year. As an Arkie, I love McFadden. But, he is also a top 5 guy. I hope we are not in a postion to draft him. AP, hopefully, is our last chance to draft a franchise (top 5 pick) RB.

 

[Lorenzo]

My thinking is clouded by optimism. I am thinking we won't be drafting top 10 next year. As an Arkie, I love McFadden. But, he is also a top 5 guy. I hope we are not in a postion to draft him. AP, hopefully, is our last chance to draft a franchise (top 5 pick) RB.

good thinking.

 

[Lorenzo]

That's right.

I understand why folks have concerns over AP's durability, to a degree.

I also understood why folks had concerns about Bush's durability, to a degree.

And why some had concerns about Barry Sanders durability, to a degree.

Likewise, I understood why folks had concerns about Thurman Thomas durability - to a degree.

There were similar concerns about Marshall Faulk. And why did LT drop to the number five pick? As I recall it was mostly because of the level of his competition, but there were also concerns about his durability.

Bottom line: AP will is going to Canton.

sometimes you just have to believe your eyes. People always overthink the draft......at least the fans and media. probly the coaches and gm's as well. all of the great backs were great in h.s. and college as well. For some reason when guys go up to get drafted, people start saying they are too small, too tall, too strong, not strong enough, too dumb, not dumb enough, ect. why did chris weinke when the heisman that year? because LT played at TCU. LT went to a small school in texas, but the guy was like m.j. playing against kids. Marshall Faulk went to SD state....not exactly OU or USC type competition. Emmitt was too small and slow, but 18,000 yards later........ Adrian Peterson was a freak in small palestine, texas. He went straight to OU and never missed a beat. sometimes you just have to believe your eyes. Did he get hurt? Yeah. OU also used him like he was the only rb in their arsenal so he did hold up in games where he got a lot of carries. One thing to point out is that he also seemed to get stronger as games went on. This day and age in the nfl.....with the speed and size of the avg defense.....AD will not have to carry the ball 30 times a game anyway. so maybe that will help him.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

My thinking is clouded by optimism. I am thinking we won't be drafting top 10 next year. As an Arkie, I love McFadden. But, he is also a top 5 guy. I hope we are not in a postion to draft him. AP, hopefully, is our last chance to draft a franchise (top 5 pick) RB.

We can create franchise backs with a good offensive line though. Whis did it last year with Willie Parker (UDFA), and plenty of teams have gotten by without top five running backs. Guys like Joseph Addai, Lawrence Maroney, Maurice Jones-Drew, etc. all proved themselves as quality backs and were drafted late in round one or round two.

 

[Lorenzo]

We can create franchise backs with a good offensive line though. Whis did it last year with Willie Parker (UDFA), and plenty of teams have gotten by without top five running backs. Guys like Joseph Addai, Lawrence Maroney, Maurice Jones-Drew, etc. all proved themselves as quality backs and were drafted late in round one or round two.

what about TD? you could also draft a marion barber type in the 5th round. what's the verdict with jj arrington. Are the cards done with him?