Adrian Wilson Situation - What happens if ADub is not the GM?

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well, just maybe, Harris and AW are a bit more observant and capable of tracing their own paths than you are prepared to concede at this point. Who knows?

Maybe. Maybe I’m capable of masterminding the GM spot too. I have as much front office experience for a high functioning NFL team as they do.

 

[juza76]

But it does mean they haven’t had any other influence, mentoring or experience in a functioning organization. And you want to give them the top reins in your organization? That’s insane.

Exactly, we can't miss the chance of trying to change the culture, too many risks in keeping just few of them, we need the reset button and bringing new faces that can give us some hope, at least

 

[Solar7]

Yeah, I've made the point that just because they've worked under Keim, doesn't mean they shared his same strategies and thought. They really didn't have a voice.

Well, there's another way to look at it.

Harris & Wilson have an up close and personal look at how not to do things.

You guys need to realize that both Quentin Harris and Adrian Wilson were signed/drafted by the Arizona Cardinals after Steve Keim was already in the front office. Bob Ferguson in 1996 was the last guy to be brought in from outside the organization, unless you really want to count that he brought in Rod Graves in 1997, who eventually became GM. Keim didn't even join the scouting staff until 1999.

Adrian Wilson was drafted in 2001, by that regime. Quentin Harris was signed in 2002, by that regime.

It literally means that even since the start of their playing career, they have never known anything but the front office structure that was established nearly 27 years ago. They have no example of how to do things, they've only ever seen it go poorly since they were in their early 20s.

The cumulative experience of Adrian Wilson and Quentin Harris outside of the Cardinals organization are two preseasons for AW with the Patriots and Bears with no regular season play. That's it.

 

[jbjarko]

Agree with they’ve never worked in a great FO situation, doesn’t mean they since being players and front office personnel don’t know how a proper franchise is run. This is a small world. Players talk. Execs talk. They know how other things are run.

 

[Jetstream Green]

If he does not get the GM position, it really does not matter what happens with him and the Cardinals. This is about winning, though a beloved past player and rightfully so, he then does not factor into the ultimate fate of the franchise one way or another

 

[TJ]

A-Dub is one of my all-times, but this team is in desperate need of outside help unaffiliated with the Cardinals. Would be nice for him to stay in the organization at some capacity, but not as a decision maker

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, just maybe, Harris and AW are a bit more observant and capable of tracing their own paths than you are prepared to concede at this point. Who knows?

I’d rather let someone else find that out.

Let me ask you this… would you be really excited if the Cardinals next GM was a guy who who played for the Texans his entire career and then ended up a middle management guy in their Front Office? How about someone who’s only been on the Commandeers their entire career both on the field and in their FO?

I mean, I know you would because you pretty much defend every terrible decision the Cardinals make until WELL after it’s blatantly obvious and the Cardinals have pretty much moved on from the terrible decision you previously supported. But I’m guessing most fans would puke at thought of bringing in a guy to be our GM who’s only experience in the league both on the field and in management has been with one of the worst franchises in the league

 

[Stout]

Agree with they’ve never worked in a great FO situation, doesn’t mean they since being players and front office personnel don’t know how a proper franchise is run. This is a small world. Players talk. Execs talk. They know how other things are run.

But why in the hell gamble on the hope that they both know how it's done with a winning organization and can figure it out/implement it? What is the percentage there versus wiping the slate clean and starting fresh? There's literally no positives other than hope, whereas a clean slate gives you a chance because you're bringing in a wholly new regime.

 

[QuebecCard]

I’d rather let someone else find that out.

Let me ask you this… would you be really excited if the Cardinals next GM was a guy who who played for the Texans his entire career and then ended up a middle management guy in their Front Office? How about someone who’s only been on the Commandeers their entire career both on the field and in their FO?

I mean, I know you would because you pretty much defend every terrible decision the Cardinals make until WELL after it’s blatantly obvious and the Cardinals have pretty much moved on from the terrible decision you previously supported. But I’m guessing most fans would puke at thought of bringing in a guy to be our GM who’s only experience in the league both on the field and in management has been with one of the worst franchises in the league

Nothing is more tedious than a discussion with someone who asks and answers their questions. So juvenile and reminds me of a lousy comedian who laughs at his own jokes.

I have no issue with outside hiring, nor do I think hiring Harris or Wilson signifies more of the same, and I couldn't care less about what fans here or there think.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Nothing is more tedious than a discussion with someone who asks and answers their questions. Reminds me of a lousy comedian who laughs at his own jokes.

I have no issue with outside hiring, nor do I think hiring Harris or Wilson signifies more of the same, and I couldn't care less about what fans here or there think.

Especially intelligent fans

 

[QuebecCard]

Especially intelligent fans

Especially the self-proclaimed...

 

[BritCard]

The problem that I (and others) see with hiring either Harris or Wilson is that they may have been tainted by Keim. The Cardinals need a fresh voice in the organization. I want them to bring in someone who will build the team from the inside out .

I'm not really concerned about that. How many people have you had above you in the chain of command that you were nothing like?

I don't think just because Quentin Harris worked under Keim it means he's going to be him. Especially as it got Keim fired.

But I would prefer someone with experience of other Orgs. Preferably multiple, or at least a very good one.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Most of us don't know how an NFL franchise is run. I have somewhat of an idea because my brother in-law was in Jax's FO for years Their setup and function are very similar from team to team. It comes down to ownership. Ron Wolf or Bill Polian could be the next GM and would fail if Mike B. doesn't allow them to do their jobs and not meddle.

Look at the best run franchises. Biscotti in Bmore, the Rooney's in Pittsburgh, KC, all those owners sit back and let the guys they hired do their job.