Adrian Wilson wants a new deal...WTF?

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Q did not have a down year, he had a hurt year (one that 99% of the players in the league would've packed it in) look at Q' s games when healthy...

 

[ajcardfan]

Sorry he can ask but its nto the teams fault that salaries went up. Thats pretty much a given in the NFL.

They already took care of him as a core player back when they extended him on this current deal. I could see him asking for a new deal to be worked on next year maybe with only a year remaining. But not in 08.

If Graves didn't want players asking for new deals, he shouldn't have been beating his gums about it.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Q did not have a down year, he had a hurt year (one that 99% of the players in the league would've packed it in) look at Q' s games when healthy...

Thats fine bud and I Ride or Die with Q. I just wish he wouldn't have gotten injured and could have been superman every week.

My gosh - The Church of Q has spoken. Let us never speak of his "injury riddled" 2007 season again.

 

[Shane]

If Graves didn't want players asking for new deals, he shouldn't have been beating his gums about it.

When was he beating his gums saying that players hsould be asking for new deals with 2 1/16 years left on it?

Nothing wrong with saying that a team should extend their core players. But you dont do it in a year when you have two full seasons left on your current deal unless it was a rookie contract and the guy is just lights out insane but was a 2nd-7th rounder IMHO.

Wilson should shut up.

 

[ajcardfan]

When was he beating his gums saying that players hsould be asking for new deals with 2 1/16 years left on it?

Nothing wrong with saying that a team should extend their core players. But you dont do it in a year when you have two full seasons left on your current deal unless it was a rookie contract and the guy is just lights out insane but was a 2nd-7th rounder IMHO.

Wilson should shut up.

Of course Graves never put any kind of number on it. He's just said, a handful of times, that they will want to take care of players who are outperforming their deals. Personally, I think that's way better than the "we don't re-do deals" stance that they had forever. When management is saying that's one of it's goals, I don't see a problem with a player saying he'd like to benefit from it. Now, whether it can happen this year, or not, is a different question.

 

[ANDY440]

Next time you call in sick, while your on the phone with your boss ask for a raise.

 

[earthsci]

Next time you call in sick, while your on the phone with your boss ask for a raise.

Only do it if you know that he doesn't want you to leave, you are one of the best employees he's had and people doing your job, that aren't as good as you, are getting paid more elsewhere.

 

[Southpaw]

Silly man Wilson. Ed Reed is the best Safety in the league. Fiscal suicide to write him a new contract.

 

[Redheart]

AW, Boldin, and Fitz need to retire as Cardinals.

Get 'er done!

 

[azsouthendzone]

Sorry guys, but AW is not the best safety in the NFC, and with one Pro Bowl under his belt I wouldn't even call him elite. The pie can only be cut into so many pieces, and in this circumstance, I wouldn't open renogotiations until after next season. The priorities of this team contractwise should always go: 1 'Quan, 2. Fitz, and then the rest. With Dansby entering UFA, Wilson talking a new deal is laughable. This team has to go out and get players to improve. We need some OL help and we also need to replace AW's little buddy from NC State. The coin just isn't there.

 

[Dr. Jones]

AW is great but.... He is / was behind a few guys.

Sanders
Polamalu
Reed
Taylor - RIP.

I really don't get this demand. From my perspective, this was a horrible year for him. Not only was his injury a season ender, he really didn't make an impact like the prior year when he had the huge sack numbers, & the long returns for TD's.

Sanders singlehandedly changed Indy's D on the way to the Lombardi trophy.
Polamalu transformed an aging defense into a new powerhouse that won a title.
Reed is a freak of nature on Defense and Special Teams winning a DPOY award.
Taylor IMO was the best of all of them. He was leading the league in INT's when he was killed.

Adrian has some work to do to get into this class of Safeties. BUT... He is a stud. Top 5 aint that bad!!

 

[JeffGollin]

I know it's not done that way (at least so far as I'm aware) but an innovative way for the team to deal with the whole issue of cap dollars, budget, renegotiating/extending contracts might be to open up the entire process, make it completely transparent and talk about it freely and frequently among the players.

The first thing I'd do is lay out cap monies available down one column, existing salaries down another, players without contracts (and their previous compensation) down another and a final column showing players who want to renegotiate their current contracts (and what kind of dollars they are looking for).

I'm pretty sure that the players will want more total dollars than are in the Cardinals' cap piggy-bank. The players should know what the deal is here and understand that why there will have to be some give & take in order to shoe-horn total salary into total budget.

Note - The remedy doesn't have to be a straight "pay me or release me" deal - some players may understand that deferring guaranteed salary to later years (in order to take a smaller immediate tax hit and where the dollars will fit better under an expanded cap budget) might be in their best interest. Or maybe contracts have to have a smaller base but be more incentive-laden.

Then it becomes a matter of how much the guys want to keep the key core of the team together and whether they're willing to bend a little in order for the sake of achieving something equally if not more important (i.e. the Super Bowl).

I know it sounds naiive, but I really believe that, if every player simply says "gimme, gimme, gimme" and the team feels it has to play by those rules, we're not going to hold this team together.

 

[joeshmo]

What I think people were missing from the article -

"That doesn't mean Wilson will be participating, however. He likely won't risk injury by taking part in those practices, he said, but his contract situation might play a part in that decision, too.

Wilson acknowledged that he probably will have to prove to Cardinals management that he is healthy before the team considers opening contract negotiations."

Wilson is not looking for a new deal this offseason. He is looking to negotiate on a new deal during next season. Sounds to me he is just posturing and thinking about a new deal 1 year before he becomes a free agent instead of right now. Premature article IMO. Hope I am right.

As for Dockett he will without question not get a new deal this year. He is only 1 year into a 5 year deal. Signed through 2011. He is the shmuck who signed his deal this past October of 2006. He set his own market and we dont have to deal with him for a long time, not until the 2009 season minimum.

Boldin is in the same situation. He is signed through 2010. Giving him an extension when he has 3 years left on his deal is a huge mistake and sets a bad example. But of course he made a fuss when we drafted and paid Fitz the first time I am sure he will again.

All of these players knew or had a good idea how much the cap was going to go up each year. They should have negotiated apporpriatly. If they didnt know then their agents are shmucks and its their own dang fault.

So Wilson and Boldin will have to wait until next year and I think the Cards FO will do exactly that. If they dont they will be setting themselves up. Whats to stop any other player from making a fuss after having a great season after only 1 season into their new deals or players asking for more money becuase they didnt have the foresight to know the cap goes up each year.

It will be Dansby, Pace, and Fitz this year. Wilson and Boldin during the season or next offseason. Dockett 2 years from now if he continues playing like he has.

 

[joeshmo]

I know it sounds naiive, but I really believe that, if every player simply says "gimme, gimme, gimme" and the team feels it has to play by those rules, we're not going to hold this team together.

It does sound a little naiive but I know exactly what you are talking about.

It is also the reason why we get so frustrated about not winning now and keep hearing about this future. By the time you get to this future the players are saying gimme, gimme, gimme and you are chasing your tails again waiting for the future. Thats why the FO needs to take a hard line stance on some of these guys that might be saying gimme, gimme, gimme. Especially the ones that still have 2+ more years on their contracts(Boldin, Dockett, Wilson). None of those players are going to take the risk of getting fined for missing camp, preseason, or OTA's. None are going to risk not getting a game check, and none are going to dog it becuase there production directly relates to the next contract they are trying so hard to get.

Hardline stance FO. Dont give in Graves.

 

[PoolBoy]

if anything AW should be apologizing for telling us to bring in his worthless friend holt. good point azsouthendzone.

 

[PoolBoy]

Next time you call in sick, while your on the phone with your boss ask for a raise.

exactly.

 

[joko4]

AW is a good player.
But, he's not the player you want to bet on for the Super Bowl future.
1.Marginal All-Pro
2.Has now played many years and still can't cover anybody.
3. Nasty ass tackler, BUT, misses a lot.
4. Decent leader, But, If he was a great leader he should of made something out of his friend Holt.

Cardinal SIN, YOU DO NOT ASK FOR AN EXTENSION WHEN IT'S NOT YOUR TURN.
IT SHOWS THAT YOUR EXTREMELY GREEDY AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A TEAM CONCEPT.

If they would give AW a new contract, consider Q, or Fitz, or Dansby gone!

 

[AzKarl]

Not the same in your example

I hate it to but read the blurb below. If I am him I want a new deal too. Now how about a deal where he loses money for missing tackles, bad plays, penalties, missing games etc.


That is the old Bidwill mind set that has prevented the Cardinals from succeeding. Old Cardinals like Hart complained about the nickle and dime approach by Bidwill. You have to make your organization a place where people want to come work. Recognition of the employee's value is essential.

If you had the choice of working for an employer that docked your pay for tardiness and sickness and charged you for photo copies that were mistakes or you could work for an employer that gave you paid sick time and didnt charge for tardiness or mistakes who would you work for?

Wilson signed a contract and the Cardinals are under no obligation to tear it up and give him an upgrade. I'd do it if he is willing to have it adjusted for games he misses.

 

[Goodyear Card]

Wilson will not get a new contract this year(2008). I can understand re-doing rookie contracts because it allows a team to sign a player to a long term contract when the player is playing well and has low a salary but in most cases, redoing a veterans contract is not in the teams best interest. There is a limited amount of money and everyone can not have pro bowl contracts. We have a number of priorities in the off season and Wilson's contract is not one of them.

 

[BigRedMO]

Wilson signed a contract and the Cardinals are under no obligation to tear it up and give him an upgrade. I'd do it if he is willing to have it adjusted for games he misses.

Good organizations dont do things only because they are contractually obligated. They do things that are right for the orgnization whether a legal obligation exists or not. The question is do the Cardinals believe Wilson is their long term safety. If yes then do what it takes to make him happy. If Whiz doesnt want him around after his contract expires dont renegotiate. If the Cardinals keep on refilling the same holes they will never get all the holes filled.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Let the exodus of players begin....

 

[mjb21aztd]

Ugh this sucks would be able to resign wilson and then be able resign dansby?

 

[Goodyear Card]

Good organizations don't do things only because they are contractually obligated. They do things that are right for the organization whether a legal obligation exists or not. The question is do the Cardinals believe Wilson is their long term safety. If yes then do what it takes to make him happy. If Whiz doesn't want him around after his contract expires dint renegotiate. If the Cardinals keep on refilling the same holes they will never get all the holes filled.

BigRed,

You are right that good organizations sign players before their contract expires but now is not the time to redo Wilson's contract. We need to re-sign Dansby and Pace. Sign free agents or draft a CB, DE, LG, LT and a punter and maybe a kicker. Good organizations also need to set priorities. If we have money left over at the end of next season we can look at redoing Wilson's contract but we have too many other needs to fill before we redo Wilson's contract.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Good teams have players that make their contracts so teams can make a winner now. Bad teams have players that just look out for themselves.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Look at the Patriots. They laugh at player's demands like Wilson and replace them. Let him hold out of mini camp. I could care less. But Graves should not give him a dime more this offseason.