Adrian Wilson

[B-Dogg]

With Wilson I think the talent is there to make the transition. Its just a matter of how hard he works in the off season to drop the weight and work on the intricacies of the CB position...

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by spanky1
Question...... is it realistic that Wilson could make the transition to CB? Yes he has the size to match up with the big WR's that are de rigeur these days, but is he fluid enough and fast enough to be a tier #1 CB?

If the answer is yes.....by all means draft Taylor.....if the answer is maybe.....well, I'm tired of these attempts to turn someone into something they're not (can anyone say Michael Stone).

Time will tell with Wilson.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by spanky1
Question...... is it realistic that Wilson could make the transition to CB? Yes he has the size to match up with the big WR's that are de rigeur these days, but is he fluid enough and fast enough to be a tier #1 CB?

If the answer is yes.....by all means draft Taylor.....if the answer is maybe.....well, I'm tired of these attempts to turn someone into something they're not (can anyone say Michael Stone).

I don't think that we need Wilson to be a top-quality #1 CB. I think that if Wilson can be a very good nickel corner (and I think that he can), the Cards would be very happy.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't think that we need Wilson to be a top-quality #1 CB. I think that if Wilson can be a very good nickel corner (and I think that he can), the Cards would be very happy.

Does that mean we elevate Hill to 2nd CB spot then?

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by azdad1978
Time will tell with Wilson.

We don't have time......the answer to this question has to found out now.......because it affects everything that we have to think about going into FA and the draft.

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't think that we need Wilson to be a top-quality #1 CB. I think that if Wilson can be a very good nickel corner (and I think that he can), the Cards would be very happy.

But don't we have a good nickel guy in Hill?

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by spanky1
But don't we have a good nickel guy in Hill?

That's what I thought so too. Maybe Wilson will be our 2nd CB.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by spanky1
But don't we have a good nickel guy in Hill?

Personally, I think that in the NFC West, Wilson could be a better nickel corner than Hill. There are many matchups that would be better for Wilson as the #3 corner than would be for Hill (larger slot WRs).

I'm assuming that the Cards do something about the starting corner situation in either free agency or the draft (preferably both), as well as Starks coming back. With quality nickel prospects in Hill and Wilson, the Cards could have a very, very good secondary if the can acquire another quality starter.

Hill and Wilson are both RFAs. We know Hill can play the nickel very well. Whether or not Wilson pans out, the switch is just gravy. My point is that the Cards don't need Wilson to develop into a great #1 corner like McAllister or Bailey. He only needs to be a solid corner for the Cards to be happy.

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Personally, I think that in the NFC West, Wilson could be a better nickel corner than Hill. There are many matchups that would be better for Wilson as the #3 corner than would be for Hill (larger slot WRs).

I'm assuming that the Cards do something about the starting corner situation in either free agency or the draft (preferably both), as well as Starks coming back. With quality nickel prospects in Hill and Wilson, the Cards could have a very, very good secondary if the can acquire another quality starter.

Hill and Wilson are both RFAs. We know Hill can play the nickel very well. Whether or not Wilson pans out, the switch is just gravy. My point is that the Cards don't need Wilson to develop into a great #1 corner like McAllister or Bailey. He only needs to be a solid corner for the Cards to be happy.

If this move pans out, are you for drafting Taylor to replace him?
We would then possibly see the following:
1)FS; Jackson
2)SS; Taylor
3)CB;Starks
4)CB; FA
5)CB; Wilson
6)CB; Draft Choice
7)CB;Hill

Is this what you were referring to?

 

[spanky1]

Just had an interesting recollection of a statement Green made........you draft defense from the middle up.........if he is sold on this and on Wilson moving to CB, I see Taylor in our draft plans.......I also see another player cleaning out his locker.......David Barrett anyone?

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by spanky1
Is this what you were referring to?

Yes. If I were Rod Graves, I'd draft Taylor at #3, a Cornerback in the second round (if one is graded there or there's not a player that's too good to pass on--No Calvin Pace reaches in my War Room), a running back or defensive end in the third, and another corner in the fourth.

In free agency, I'd look at my CB prospects like this: 1. Winfield, 2. Bryant, 3. Springs, 4. Plummer. You should be able to get one of those guys, and they'd be able to fit into the #1 corner role. That would make my starting secondary look like this:

LCB: FA CB
SS: S. Taylor
FS: D. Jackson
RCB: D. Starks

R. Hill, A. Wilson, and the two draft picks could fight for the nickle and dime jobs in camp and through the season (there's no reason to freeze the depth chart all season, despite evidence to the contrary from Mac). Either Wilson or Hill (the lesser performer) could be given their walking papers following the 2004 season. The other would get an extention. Starks, pending the development of the rookies, could be released as well after 2004, depending on his performance.

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Yes. If I were Rod Graves, I'd draft Taylor at #3, a Cornerback in the second round (if one is graded there or there's not a player that's too good to pass on--No Calvin Pace reaches in my War Room), a running back or defensive end in the third, and another corner in the fourth.

In free agency, I'd look at my CB prospects like this: 1. Winfield, 2. Bryant, 3. Springs, 4. Plummer. You should be able to get one of those guys, and they'd be able to fit into the #1 corner role. That would make my starting secondary look like this:

LCB: FA CB
SS: S. Taylor
FS: D. Jackson
RCB: D. Starks

R. Hill, A. Wilson, and the two draft picks could fight for the nickle and dime jobs in camp and through the season (there's no reason to freeze the depth chart all season, despite evidence to the contrary from Mac). Either Wilson or Hill (the lesser performer) could be given their walking papers following the 2004 season. The other would get an extention. Starks, pending the development of the rookies, could be released as well after 2004, depending on his performance.

This is a very fundamentally sound plan of attack......an exact example of the "interchangeable parts theory" used so well by New England and Philadelphia.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Bring him in it could hu......Oh wait he is already on the team.

Good.

As much as he is frustrating to watch I still like Adrian Wilson, and hope that his move to CB is a good one.

Imagine that crazy man off a CB blitz!

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
KDUS, was just saying that Wilson was committed to moving to the corner position and was going to be in town and Thursday to start working out and losing weight... which leads me to believe that Sean Taylor is the pick... or they may trade down and draft Roy Williams....

Who on KDUS?

Was KDUS quoting Wilson or a member of the coaching staff?

 

[Assface]

I want to see Wilson beating up recievers at the line of scrimmage.

A lot of people say a safety shouldn't be picked at #3 because it hasn't been done before. First, with his athletic ability and what he's capable of, it's not like we would be drafting a typical safety who is simply the last line of defense.

Another argument for not taking Taylor with the #3 pick is that the 2 best safeties in the league, Williams and Dawkins, weren't taken that high. With the impact that they have had on their respective teams do you think they would use that high of a pick on them? I think they would. Before them what precedent was there for what a great safety can do? I think Taylor is an acceptable pick at 3 because those two have paved the way for him, something they didn't have in their favor. Our defense needs serious help. How many of you advocate reaching for a lesser player simply because it's more acceptable to draft a DE or DT and 3rd overall. Unlike last year there is no top CB who deserves to be picked that high. Udeze and Smith might be very good but they are not Peppers calibre players yet many have advocated taking them with our first pick because that's more common than taking a safety that high. There is no Arrington LB and nobody in this draft looks like the next Warren Sapp. Sean Taylor is the best defensive player in the draft and can help the team enough to warrent being the 3rd overall pick.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

True

Originally posted by azdad1978
True but Rumph is a what dime and nickle CB? Unless Wilson shows improved flexibility on his hips I don't think he can turn and stay with a WR.

Excellent point.

Can he turn and stay with a WR?

Hopefully SOMEBODY has figured out the answer to that question already....and the answer will turn out to be a correct one.

 

[Savage58]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Yes. If I were Rod Graves, I'd draft Taylor at #3, a Cornerback in the second round (if one is graded there or there's not a player that's too good to pass on--No Calvin Pace reaches in my War Room), a running back or defensive end in the third, and another corner in the fourth.

In free agency, I'd look at my CB prospects like this: 1. Winfield, 2. Bryant, 3. Springs, 4. Plummer. You should be able to get one of those guys, and they'd be able to fit into the #1 corner role. That would make my starting secondary look like this:

LCB: FA CB
SS: S. Taylor
FS: D. Jackson
RCB: D. Starks

R. Hill, A. Wilson, and the two draft picks could fight for the nickle and dime jobs in camp and through the season (there's no reason to freeze the depth chart all season, despite evidence to the contrary from Mac). Either Wilson or Hill (the lesser performer) could be given their walking papers following the 2004 season. The other would get an extention. Starks, pending the development of the rookies, could be released as well after 2004, depending on his performance.

I REALLY like this train of thinking,

If Wilson doesn't work out at Corner(Hope he does but I doubt he will), just make him hang out with BIG and bulk up, play outside/nickle LB, and move Fisher inside, wham nice backside 7, but we're still hurting at DL. We need to strike gold in FA and the draft on the DL.

I'm very skeptical that all of this Wilson to CB talk is smoke screen from DG, he's our genius, work you magic Denny! IMO, Denny's board is Eli, Fitz, Taylor in that order, and is prepared to take them at #3, he'll listen to a trade down, but those are immediate impact players, even ELI who I believe starts in Game #1 next season if picked by the Cards.

 

[Tangodnzr]

just for the record....it's Pendergrast

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Originally posted by spanky1
Just had an interesting recollection of a statement Green made........you draft defense from the middle up.........if he is sold on this and on Wilson moving to CB, I see Taylor in our draft plans.......I also see another player cleaning out his locker.......David Barrett anyone?

Very good point, I want Taylor or Fitz and I think Green is getting in position to land either one, With Wilson moving to SS, and Quan moving from the slot.

Green did say he want to build this team from the middle up so so far he has this to work with

QB-McCown'
HB-Shipp/Smith
FB-J Hodgins
LG/C/RG-Kendall/Big and ??? depending on were Kendall plays

DTs-Bryant and ???
MLB-McKinnon
FS-D Jackson
SS-????? With a Wilson move Taylor would be a great pick up.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
just for the record....it's Pendergrast

Thanks!

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Yes. If I were Rod Graves, I'd draft Taylor at #3, a Cornerback in the second round (if one is graded there or there's not a player that's too good to pass on--No Calvin Pace reaches in my War Room), a running back or defensive end in the third, and another corner in the fourth.

In free agency, I'd look at my CB prospects like this: 1. Winfield, 2. Bryant, 3. Springs, 4. Plummer. You should be able to get one of those guys, and they'd be able to fit into the #1 corner role. That would make my starting secondary look like this:

LCB: FA CB
SS: S. Taylor
FS: D. Jackson
RCB: D. Starks

R. Hill, A. Wilson, and the two draft picks could fight for the nickle and dime jobs in camp and through the season (there's no reason to freeze the depth chart all season, despite evidence to the contrary from Mac). Either Wilson or Hill (the lesser performer) could be given their walking papers following the 2004 season. The other would get an extention. Starks, pending the development of the rookies, could be released as well after 2004, depending on his performance.

I completely agree...IF, and only if, we get a good pass-rusher in FA. We HAVE to have one, and IMO we cannot bank on one of our guys turning into one. The best defensive backfield in the league could only do so much if we have the same sack totals as last season!