Al Pedrique is worse than Brenley

[Lefty]

Knowing that the bullpen sucks and this could be RJ's last game as a Diamondback, why didn't Al keep him in? The season is a total loss and who cares that he was suppose to lead off the 8th or his pitch count. A tired RJ is better than Fetters and Choate. Al is way over his head and I can't believe I am saying I miss Brenley.

 

[Ryanwb]

I went to the game today and there was a questionable called 3rd strike against McCraken... clearly a ball and Pedrique didn't budge from his spot in the dugout. he should have argued that one, maybe get thrown out to spark the team or something.

 

[arthurracoon]

I went to the game today and there was a questionable called 3rd strike against McCraken... clearly a ball and Pedrique didn't budge from his spot in the dugout. he should have argued that one, maybe get thrown out to spark the team or something.

Me too...

That 9th inning was pathetic...

At least Randy pitched well...not that it matters...this team still found a way to lose.

 

[Homer Simpson]

The team is 2-19 since Pedrique took over. If the team had kept Brenly, they'd be 0-21, maybe, IF THEY WERE LUCKY, 1-20 in that span.

Pedrique has made a difference.

[/sarcasm]

FIRE JOE JR!

 

[NJYAJ09]

It wasnt Pedrique or Brenleys fault.


They could have Joe Torre managing the team and they would be lucky to be 5-20 over the last 25.

 

[Djaughe]

Has an interm manager ever been fired in the same season as the manager? I can hear Grace in the background..."put me in J.C...."

 

[BC867]

Knowing that the bullpen sucks and this could be RJ's last game as a Diamondback, why didn't Al keep him in?

For what it's worth, Johnson was quoted in today's Republic as asking to be taken out.

Has an interm manager ever been fired in the same season as the manager? I can hear Grace in the background..."put me in J.C...."

And I can hear me in the background..."When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn?"

If Gracie has managerial aspirations, I don't understand why he turned down the opportunity to manage in the Minors this season. If he had, he might be managing the D'backs right now. Oh, maybe that's the reason.

It would be a mistake to turn the club again over to a rookie Manager who hasn't shown himself and the team what his actual strong points and shortcomings are.

Until Grace accepts a managerial assignment in the Minors, I don't think he should be considered to run the Major League team.

 

[Djaughe]

If Gracie has managerial aspirations, I don't understand why he turned down the opportunity to manage in the Minors this season. If he had, he might be managing the D'backs right now. Oh, maybe that's the reason.

It would be a mistake to turn the club again over to a rookie Manager who hasn't shown himself and the team what his actual strong points and shortcomings are.

Until Grace accepts a managerial assignment in the Minors, I don't think he should be considered to run the Major League team.

lol...I look at it this way...there are 2 positives to this.

Putting in grace (and letting him fall on his face) would squelch the people that want him in as manager (perhaps we can get a real manger by next year). The current interim manager is stinkin up the BOB...this team is in critical condition and needs something...to jolt the players and perhaps energize the fans.

Besides if all of a sudden they start playing 0.500 ball then perhaps gracie would provide a valid claim for the position.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

lol...I look at it this way...there are 2 positives to this.

Putting in grace (and letting him fall on his face) would squelch the people that want him in as manager (perhaps we can get a real manger by next year). The current interim manager is stinkin up the BOB...this team is in critical condition and needs something...to jolt the players and perhaps energize the fans.

Besides if all of a sudden they start playing 0.500 ball then perhaps gracie would provide a valid claim for the position.

If something was to "jolt" the team, it would have been when Brenly was fired....The onus was then placed on the players, however, several pitchers are still on the DL recovering from several arm ailments and the most of the hitters have to be "reprogrammed" since they rarely understood their role in the previous regime (IE....where they hit in the line-up)......

Pedrique is in a "lame-duck" situation and that obviously is the worst because none of the players takes a manager in that position very seriously....Therefore, he can't really be held fully accountable for their actions....

Only question I have about Pedrique thus far is his over-all handling of the pitchers..... He removed Aquino last week when he was dominating or when Webb was getting stronger as the game progressed, however, he kept Dessens, Villafuerte, and Koplove in instances in which they were being massacred way beyond belief and should have been removed a lot earlier.. Yes, "hindsight is 20/20", but still......

It's not really Pedrique's (and perhaps Davis') fault for that mindset since the mishandling of the Dbacks pitchers (mainly the younger ones) was one of the primary reasons why Brenly and Kniffin were terminated.... Yet....it seems Pedrique has gone the polar extreme out of being too cautious.....

I believe Jerry C. and Co. will hire a solid manager that has some excellent credentials.....Yes, I'm well aware of C's hires with the Dbacks and Suns, but I hope he realizes that this is a time in which is in dire need of some stability, and I just don't know if Grace would provide that without having any managerial background......

 

[Djaughe]

...I hope he realizes that this is a time in which is in dire need of some stability, and I just don't know if Grace would provide that without having any managerial background......

I agree...get a good manager for next year. As far as stability for this year...I don't see it...I do see players playing to protect their health - not quite their jobs.

IMO...Is gracie going to get the interim manager position for this season? Most likely no - but with attendence taking a nose dive this franchise has got to be a little concerned about their fan base.

On the flip side why not give gracie the reins just to run out this season to see how he handles things? Maybe he'll put himself in to pitch an inning when our relievers are falling apart....this is the best opportunity to find out if he can handle it or not.

 

[BC867]

It's not really Pedrique's (and perhaps Davis') fault for that mindset since the mishandling of the Dbacks pitchers (mainly the younger ones) was one of the primary reasons why Brenly and Kniffin were terminated.... Yet....it seems Pedrique has gone the polar extreme out of being too cautious.....

I believe Jerry C. and Co. will hire a solid manager that has some excellent credentials.....Yes, I'm well aware of C's hires with the Dbacks and Suns, but I hope he realizes that this is a time in which is in dire need of some stability, and I just don't know if Grace would provide that without having any managerial background......

Well put, KingLouie.

 

[AZZenny]

Grace would be insane to take over for AlP now. It's just plain a lousy team, with or without injuries, and he won't do a whole lot better than AlP. That isn't the way he'd want to come in as a manager. I think Gracie has way too much ego/star-power investment in himself to be a good manager, anyhow - but surely he has to be smart enough to avoid this tarpit as a starting place.

As Yount was. Word at the time was they really expected Yount to take over for BB, not bench coach for AlP, but he said "No Way, Jose." Nevertheless, I think we do get to add hiring AlP to JoeG Jr (alias ) 's list of noteworthy accomplishments.

If anyone bumps AlP mid-season, I'd look for Tommy Jones - he is a 7-time minor league Manager of the Year winner, and he's not out there on the field for no reason. If not - how about Ken Phelps!! He certainly seems to know everything everyone should be doing. And it would get him OFF the radio! What a relief that would be.

 

[Djaughe]

Grace would be insane to take over for AlP now.

Good point.

There are only so many opportunites one gets as a big league manager - I just can't see Grace getting the job next year by sitting in the booth.

BTW...Is yount still in the dugout? I thought he quit when BB got canned?

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Good point.

There are only so many opportunites one gets as a big league manager - I just can't see Grace getting the job next year by sitting in the booth.

BTW...Is yount still in the dugout? I thought he quit when BB got canned?

Thats what Brenly did, seemed to work out fine at the time

 

[Djaughe]

Thats what Brenly did, seemed to work out fine at the time

Yup...Brenly walked in with a team loaded with talent and the future mortgage...unless a billonaire happens to drop his wallet on this franchise I don't think grace will be lucky enough to see that scenario again.

 

[schillingfan]

It wasnt Pedrique or Brenleys fault.


They could have Joe Torre managing the team and they would be lucky to be 5-20 over the last 25.

I believe if you do a search on here you will find a quote from me (in response to people calling for Brenly's firing) that Casey Stengel couldn't manage the D-Backs to a winning record.

 

[BC867]

I believe if you do a search on here you will find a quote from me (in response to people calling for Brenly's firing) that Casey Stengel couldn't manage the D-Backs to a winning record.

When Casey Stengel was managing the Yankee powerhouse of the '50's, he was not the best Manager in NY. Leo Durocher and Charley Dressen both got more out of incomplete teams (The Giants and Dodgers) than Casey would have.

Those two teams won six straight NL pennants from 1951 to 1956, and eight of ten from 1947 to 1956. And they did it with marginal pitching.

Casey was given the 2nd best pitching rotations in the AL (Reynolds, Rachi, Lopat, Ford) ***, along with hitters like DiMaggio-then-Mantle, Berra, Rizzuto, Mize, Bauer, Woodling, etc.

When he joined the Mets, Stengel couldn't do any more than our D'backs are doing now.

The great Gil Hodges later turned them into the Miracle Mets of '69.

So I wouldn't consider Casey Stengel to be the pinnacle of Major League managers.


*** The best pitching rotation in baseball at that time was the Indians Lemon/Wynn/Garcia/Feller-then-Score. But their lineup was no match for the Yankees.

Even when they won a then-record 111 games in 1954, the Indians were swept by the Willie Mays Giants. Willie Mays and Dusty Rhodes, that is.

Ah, trivia.

 

[schillingfan]

So I wouldn't consider Casey Stengel to be the pinnacle of Major League managers.

Well John McGraw comes to mind if it comes to that. But really Casey was in my head because he managed the 1962 Mets and I'm not convinced that they weren't a better team than the 2004 Diamondbacks, Randy Johnson aside.

 

[BC867]

Well John McGraw comes to mind if it comes to that. But really Casey was in my head because he managed the 1962 Mets and I'm not convinced that they weren't a better team than the 2004 Diamondbacks, Randy Johnson aside.

Well, at least we don't have Marvelous Marv Throneberry at 1B.

Former Dodger and Giant fans were so hungry for a National League team that we loved the '62 Mets. We knew their names, even if Casey didn't.

And although it took them eight years to reach Championship calibre, it wasn't one shot, then fade. Even with the death of Manager Gil Hodges.

That is what's made the D'backs steady decline since the Championship so frustrating, isn't it?

BTW, during that ten-year stretch from '47 through '56, when the Dodgers and Giants won eight of those ten pennants, the only teams who broke through were the '48 Boston Braves and, of course, your '50 Philadelphia Phillies. Robin Roberts, Curt Simmons, Jim Konstanty, Richie Ashburn and the Whiz Kids were quite a team.