It All Starts with Murray

[WeBlitz]

Have you ever played football at a high school or college level?
Have you ever led large teams in a professional setting? Be honest.

Is this truly your rebuttal?

Anyways, I’ll abide.


I’ve played sport football, basketball, and baseball a majority of my life. I stuck with football in high school.

I have seen first hand what a good QB can do for a team. During my SR year of high school, we underwent a QB change because the first QB couldn’t get it done. And to be frank, the first QB was more extrovert while the second QB was more of an introvert. However, the second QB was actually good at his job and we all were able to follow because we knew what to expect and we believed in him.

That goes for any professional setting. You must be good at your own job before others can follow you. You must produce at a high level. That comes first before anything. Not the FNL fluff you’re talking about.

EDIT: You lost so much credibility when you included Jameis in that list.

 

[WeBlitz]

I’ve never stated Kyler is “terrible.” Hell, the dude got a second contract and got seriously PAID. How “terrible” can he be?

In my opinion, given his draft status and his second contract, he clearly isn’t terrible. So why then isn’t he more consistently good? Why can’t he lead his team to more success? And please don’t hit me with the reruns of excuses many others here always trot out to explain away Kyler’s failures…

Kyler is a mediocre QB and makes too many mistakes. That answers all of these questions you have asked.

I probably dislike Kyler more than you to do be honest. However, it’s because of his on-field play.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Is this truly your rebuttal?

Anyways, I’ll abide.

That goes for any professional setting. You must be good at your own job before others can follow you. You must produce at a high level. That comes first before anything. Not the FNL fluff you’re talking about.

I’ve offered several rebuttals.

And are you now saying Kyler isn’t “good?”

 

[Cheesebeef]

I’ve offered several rebuttals.

And are you now saying Kyler isn’t “good?”

Good GOD. He’s said that MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY.

 

[WeBlitz]

I’ve offered several rebuttals.

And are you now saying Kyler isn’t “good?”

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…….I literally said that many times already. I even said it on a post you quoted me last page.

 

[82CardsGrad]

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…….I literally said that many times already. I even said it on a post you quoted me last page.

I read where you said he wasn’t playing “good football.” I do see in your last post that you are referring to him as “mediocre.”

Can’t be a much worse situation than to have a mediocre QB with zero leadership ability.

 

[WeBlitz]

I read where you said he wasn’t playing “good football.” I do see in your last post that you are referring to him as “mediocre.”

Can’t be a much worse situation than to have a mediocre QB with zero leadership ability.

We just wanted Kyler to be a consistently good Quarterback first and foremost. He clearly is not.

Literally on the last page near the top.

 

[D-Dogg]

Kylers panic and his reluctance to take a hit for a completion will be his downfall. He needs a defense that can cover for his inevitable bone head plays, and an OC that will move him around to get him clean passing lanes.

Harry's OP here is one of the best on K1 that I've seen. Not black or white, just straightforward truth.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Taking on a loss $40 mil in cap space would dramatically comprise potential 2024-25 free agent signings.

What does it matter? We didn’t use our available cap space this year.

 

[gimpy]

It seems to me that this coaching staff is doing about the same thing that a previous coach on here did and got blamed for. It's the system. Play to the strengths of your players, not the other way around?

 

[ajcardfan]

Clearly Murray is what he is. He is a middle of the pack QB who is capable of really good games and drives offset by bad games and bad drives. ESPN has him #6 in QBR, but no one thinks he is the 6th best QB in the league. Believe it or not, he actually has a better passer rating than Patrick Mahomes but no one thinks he is a better passer than Mahomes.

Here is what will happen with Kyler Murray on 2025 .... Nothing. The franchise will try to build a top defense and get a fast WR and say the plan is working, progress was made. In the meantime, we will pick up either a vet or draft someone hoping we can find a decent replacement for him for 2026 if 2025 is a bomb.

That's why for next season, I think it doesn't start with Murray. It starts with defense.

 

[Harry]

The $40 mil cap space came from overthecap.com
As to not using it in previous years, I think Ossenfort didn’t spend it as a new GM he wanted to assess the impact of what he spent. I say more in a couple of days when I post on Ossenfort.

 

[kerouac9]

Can Kyler Murray play like Ryan Tannehill on 2025? That’s the challenge.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

You lead by playing good football. You motivate your teammates by playing good football. Kyler has not been playing good football. That’s really it.

If Kyler played like a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson on the field, none of the other stuff wouldn’t matter. I’m positive of that.

So true

 

[Stout]

You lead by playing good football. You motivate your teammates by playing good football. Kyler has not been playing good football. That’s really it.

If Kyler played like a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson on the field, none of the other stuff wouldn’t matter. I’m positive of that.

Sure, the Larry Fitz school of leadership. The problem is, Kyler is not good at playing football at the QB position, so when you add that to negative leadership qualities--because, let's face it, he's not a "lead by example type" but a "pouty, withdrawing type"--it spirals out of control.

 

[Stout]

The $40 mil cap space came from overthecap.com
As to not using it in previous years, I think Ossenfort didn’t spend it as a new GM he wanted to assess the impact of what he spent. I say more in a couple of days when I post on Ossenfort.

If that's why Monti didn't spend, then he's not GM material. If he's so uncertain that he can't utilize his resources without taking a whole season to see if he CAN effectively utilize those resources, he's drastically behind the eight ball.

 

[Redsz]

Given the mostly negative impacts by Nichols, Jones, and Bunting I'm not exactly excited for FA.

 

[slanidrac16]

Here are the cold hard facts that we all should be ready to swallow.
A dynamic, get after it organization would find a way to move on from Kyler.

We are not a dynamic or get after it orginization. It will start with Bidwill saying no from moving on from Kyler. MO will take the heat and have to publicly endorse Murray as will Gannon.

MO’s hands will be tied and will attempt to build the trenches and we will remain a conservative running team.

Those attempts will lead us to another year of despair. No matter how much help Kyler gets, the minute we can’t run the ball the game is over.

 

[602 Native]

We need more K1 threads for sure

 

[DVontel]

will attempt to build the trenches

I mean, this should always be the motto regardless. Whether Kyler, a veteran, or a rookie is the QB regardless.

 

[slanidrac16]

I mean, this should always be the motto regardless. Whether Kyler, a veteran, or a rookie is the QB regardless.

Yes. But it won’t matter. Kyler makes us a plodding run first team. When the running game fails , chalk up a loss.

 

[kerouac9]

I mean, this should always be the motto regardless. Whether Kyler, a veteran, or a rookie is the QB regardless.

And yet we drafted a bunch of DBs and pass catchers. Sad!

 

[D-Dogg]

Yes. But it won’t matter. Kyler makes us a plodding run first team. When the running game fails , chalk up a loss.

Wait, Kyler does this, or Petzing?

 

[DVontel]

Yes. But it won’t matter. Kyler makes us a plodding run first team. When the running game fails , chalk up a loss.

It will matter.

Monti, or any GM, shouldn’t focus on the trenches because their hands are tied because of bad QB play,
It should be focused because that what makes a successful football team & it’s his job to do so.

 

[602 Native]

Yes. But it won’t matter. Kyler makes us a plodding run first team. When the running game fails , chalk up a loss.

What’s the logic here?