Alex Len...LET HIM GO!

[Mainstreet]

Yup. He may get 10 or so rebounds just for being tall, but that's not going to help us long term.

Agree.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OK Cheese. I should not have said it. It just adds fuel. Sorry.

My issue isn’t with it adding fuel. The issue is completely misrepresenting others arguments to make them look stupid.

 

[JCSunsfan]

My issue isn’t with it adding fuel. The issue is completely misrepresenting others arguments to make them look stupid.

OK. Fair enough. I should not misrepresent anyone else's arguments or try to make them look stupid. That is not normally how I interact with people, and this would be a very poor time to start.

 

[BC867]

It seems that Len has too many flaws in his game, especially lack of consistency, to be part of our hopes for the future.

Meanwhile he’s the only one who objectively had a good game last night. Lol.

That's the point, Ouchie. Len's problem is lack of consistency. A good game, then three bad ones.

If Len can match up only with 25% of the league's Centers, and we depend upon him to protect the post, that's what our winning % will be (slight exaggeration, but you get the point).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's the point, Ouchie. Len's problem is lack of consistency. A good game, then three bad ones.

If Len can match up only with 25% of the league's Centers, and we depend upon him to protect the post, that's what our winning % will be (slight exaggeration, but you get the point).

Don’t get me wrong his inconsistency is maddening. But even if he serves a purpose 25% of the time he’s a valuable commodity on the team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Don’t get me wrong his inconsistency is maddening. But even if he serves a purpose 25% of the time he’s a valuable commodity on the team.

At the right price.

 

[SirStefan32]

At the right price.

Exactly!

 

[Bada0Bing]

Yeah I don't know. I watched his rebounds tonight and most of them would have been grabbed by someone else on the team if he didn't grab them. Not sure how much his boards are really helping. He's just taller than most guys so they fall to him. I want to see him fight off the opponent and grab more offensive boards.

 

[BC867]

Don’t get me wrong his inconsistency is maddening. But even if he serves a purpose 25% of the time he’s a valuable commodity on the team.

At the right price.

I just don't get it, guys. Ouchie, you agree that Len's inconsistency is maddening. But he's valuable even if he comes through 25% of the time? What about the other 75% of his playing time, whether he starts or comes off the bench? That will keep us in the cellar.

JC, does it really matter what Len's price is if he can't be counted on to play solid Center game in and game out? Isn't that what got us into this mess for this decade? Cheap GM, cheap Head Coaches and a team full of unproven young players.

Please tell me you guys aren't falling into Sarver's trap of ... it doesn't matter if they are inconsistent, or downright bad, as long as they are cheap.

The coaches are bound by that thinking. The fans don't have to be. Please correct me if you disagree.

 

[Hoop Head]

I just don't get it, guys. Ouchie, you agree that Len's inconsistency is maddening. But he's valuable even if he comes through 25% of the time? What about the other 75% of his playing time, whether he starts or comes off the bench? That will keep us in the cellar.

JC, does it really matter what Len's price is if he can't be counted on to play solid Center game in and game out? Isn't that what got us into this mess for this decade? Cheap GM, cheap Head Coaches and a team full of unproven young players.

Please tell me you guys aren't falling into Sarver's trap of ... it doesn't matter if they are inconsistent, or downright bad, as long as they are cheap.

The coaches are bound by that thinking. The fans don't have to be. Please correct me if you disagree.

When you're looking for a 3rd string Center you can do worse than Len at the league minimum. He shouldn't be starting or seeing big minutes but he'll be behind Chandler and someone else on the depth chart, ideally. I don't see why he'd be bad to retain as the 3rd Center.

 

[pokerface]

I just don't get it, guys. Ouchie, you agree that Len's inconsistency is maddening. But he's valuable even if he comes through 25% of the time? What about the other 75% of his playing time, whether he starts or comes off the bench? That will keep us in the cellar.

JC, does it really matter what Len's price is if he can't be counted on to play solid Center game in and game out? Isn't that what got us into this mess for this decade? Cheap GM, cheap Head Coaches and a team full of unproven young players.

Please tell me you guys aren't falling into Sarver's trap of ... it doesn't matter if they are inconsistent, or downright bad, as long as they are cheap.

The coaches are bound by that thinking. The fans don't have to be. Please correct me if you disagree.

Well BC a guaranteed way of not having Len around next season is to draft a competent center.

 

[elindholm]

When you're looking for a 3rd string Center you can do worse than Len at the league minimum. He shouldn't be starting or seeing big minutes but he'll be behind Chandler and someone else on the depth chart, ideally. I don't see why he'd be bad to retain as the 3rd Center.

Someone will offer him at least $20M/3.

 

[Hoop Head]

Someone will offer him at least $20M/3.

Then good riddance. I don't think anyone will miss him, not at that price.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Then good riddance. I don't think anyone will miss him, not at that price.

Yeah, thats silly $20m for what? I think he's done after this season.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd consider paying Len the contract they signed Alan Williams too... providing they have the money... 3 years and 17 million with only two years guaranteed.

I change my mind daily on Len.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I just don't get it, guys. Ouchie, you agree that Len's inconsistency is maddening. But he's valuable even if he comes through 25% of the time? What about the other 75% of his playing time, whether he starts or comes off the bench? That will keep us in the cellar.

JC, does it really matter what Len's price is if he can't be counted on to play solid Center game in and game out? Isn't that what got us into this mess for this decade? Cheap GM, cheap Head Coaches and a team full of unproven young players.

Please tell me you guys aren't falling into Sarver's trap of ... it doesn't matter if they are inconsistent, or downright bad, as long as they are cheap.

The coaches are bound by that thinking. The fans don't have to be. Please correct me if you disagree.

I mean having him on roster for specific assignments they require a 7 big guy. Keep the roster flexible for matchups. At the right price. I don’t want guys just because they are cheap.

 

[BC867]

I mean having him on roster for specific assignments they require a 7 big guy. Keep the roster flexible for matchups. At the right price. I don’t want guys just because they are cheap.

I have always said that a sound NBA practice would be to have three Point Guards and three Centers on the roster so that, no matter, what you'll always have two legitimate ones at each position.

If we can come up with a lead Center, and we'll have our backup Center returning, I would like to see a third Center at the end of the bench. I just don't think it's good for the team to demote one who was supposed to become the lead. We'd be better off, as with any demoted young player, sending him somewhere else for a fresh start. Same with Point Guard. Have journeymen at the end of the bench for each backup to the backup.

The other option would be to have a legitimate C/PF on the bench as backup at both positions. Or even move the a PF to Center, if he were truly able to cover the position. Same with Shooting Guard moving to Point Guard. But to use one who doesn't have the skill, it would hurt the team. Especially in the post and at the Point. Not so much as covering either of the Wings or PF.

My main point is that I think it would be detrimental, to the Suns and the player, to demote an existing player (unless he were close to retirement) to the end of the bench.

 

[Hoop Head]

I have always said that a sound NBA practice would be to have three Point Guards and three Centers on the roster so that, no matter, what you'll always have two legitimate ones at each position.

If we can come up with a lead Center, and we'll have our backup Center returning, I would like to see a third Center at the end of the bench. I just don't think it's good for the team to demote one who was supposed to become the lead. We'd be better off, as with any demoted young player, sending him somewhere else for a fresh start. Same with Point Guard. Have journeymen at the end of the bench for each backup to the backup.

The other option would be to have a legitimate C/PF on the bench as backup at both positions. Or even move the a PF to Center, if he were truly able to cover the position. Same with Shooting Guard moving to Point Guard. But to use one who doesn't have the skill, it would hurt the team. Especially in the post and at the Point. Not so much as covering either of the Wings or PF.

My main point is that I think it would be detrimental, to the Suns and the player, to demote an existing player (unless he were close to retirement) to the end of the bench.

We had 3 Centers on the roster and you kept harping on what a mistake that was. Same with the 3 PG's. When we had 3, you didn't like it, or at least you keep referencing that as being an issue with how the team was constructed.

Having Len as the 3rd Center this next year shouldn't be a problem if the Suns can resign him for cheap because you don't pay a 3rd string player much and he wouldn't see playing time unless our starting Center and Chandler, who would be moved to backup, aren't available. Ideally the Suns would be able to draft either Ayton or Bamba to be the starting Center going forward which would move Chandler into that backup role.

So what is it you want because this post contradicts a number of the complaints you have about this team.

 

[BC867]

We had 3 Centers on the roster and you kept harping on what a mistake that was. Same with the 3 PG's. When we had 3, you didn't like it, or at least you keep referencing that as being an issue with how the team was constructed.

Having Len as the 3rd Center this next year shouldn't be a problem if the Suns can resign him for cheap because you don't pay a 3rd string player much and he wouldn't see playing time unless our starting Center and Chandler, who would be moved to backup, aren't available. Ideally the Suns would be able to draft either Ayton or Bamba to be the starting Center going forward which would move Chandler into that backup role.

So what is it you want because this post contradicts a number of the complaints you have about this team.

As I said, my main point is that I think it would be detrimental, to the Suns and the player, to demote an existing player (unless he were close to retirement) to the end of the bench.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As I said, my main point is that I think it would be detrimental, to the Suns and the player, to demote an existing player (unless he were close to retirement) to the end of the bench.

Even starters get demoted when a better player is acquired. And it happens all the time.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Alex Len is actually in the upper echelon when it comes to rebounding %, ahead of both Chandler and Monroe. A big reason is that is because of his offensive rebounding %.

http://stats.nba.com/players/advanc...E*15&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season

Someone will pay him on that alone.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Alex Len is actually in the upper echelon when it comes to rebounding %, ahead of both Chandler and Monroe. A big reason is that is because of his offensive rebounding %.

http://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=REB_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*25:MIN*GE*15&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season

Someone will pay him on that alone.

Hmmm. So Ed Davis is #15 and Gobert is #42? I'm not sure how much credibility I give this ranking.

 

[BC867]

Even starters get demoted when a better player is acquired. And it happens all the time.

I don't want to belabor the point, but that generalization might apply to a starter who gets demoted and remains in the rotation.

Proposing that Len be dropped from his current starting spot out of the rotation to 3rd Center is not the same. Which is why I said it would be better for the team and him to be traded.

It is difficult to believe that he wouldn't make his displeasure known. Then this predominantly young team (sticking together) would pick up on it. And be another excuse for the Suns failures to take steps forward.

Why ask for trouble?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't want to belabor the point, but that generalization might apply to a starter who gets demoted and remains in the rotation.

Proposing that Len be dropped from his current starting spot out of the rotation to 3rd Center is not the same. Which is why I said it would be better for the team and him to be traded.

It is difficult to believe that he wouldn't make his displeasure known. Then this predominantly young team (sticking together) would pick up on it. And be another excuse for the Suns failures to take steps forward.

Why ask for trouble?

With next season being chandlers last I could see them moving him into a part-time role if they drafted their center of the future and having Len be the primary backup.

 

[Phrazbit]

Alex Len is actually in the upper echelon when it comes to rebounding %, ahead of both Chandler and Monroe. A big reason is that is because of his offensive rebounding %.

http://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=REB_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*25:MIN*GE*15&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season

Someone will pay him on that alone.

He will get a contract but I think he's looking at like 2 years 16 million, no one is going to throw starter's money at him.