Alex Wood on LJ Shelton

[jefftheshark]

An insight into what the coaches thought of LJ.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1119000810194960.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

The Shark

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Denny Green's ego must be influencing Alex Wood. That's the only reason we got rid of Shelton, right?

 

[Dback Jon]

Wow - an ex-coach NOT ripping the Cards for a personnel decision.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

yeah . . . shelton was worth at least a 2nd round pick . . .

 

[azsouthendzone]

I think Wood is full of it. Shelton was a 2 on a 10 scale. not a 5.

 

[Russ Smith]

So a guy who coached on the same team as LJ for one year, the same year LJ arrived totally out of shape coming off 2 surgeries, is an expert on LJ and his conditioning?

Not saying LJ is a great player or was a great player but let's be honest, if Wood was taking a shot at Anquan or one of the popular cards players, people would be ripping Wood. Because he's taking a shot at LJ, people give him a free pass.

Oh well, maybe that will help Wood get another shot as an OC somewhere.

 

[Shane]

So a guy who coached on the same team as LJ for one year, the same year LJ arrived totally out of shape coming off 2 surgeries, is an expert on LJ and his conditioning?

Not saying LJ is a great player or was a great player but let's be honest, if Wood was taking a shot at Anquan or one of the popular cards players, people would be ripping Wood. Because he's taking a shot at LJ, people give him a free pass.

Oh well, maybe that will help Wood get another shot as an OC somewhere.

 

[Assface]

So a guy who coached on the same team as LJ for one year, the same year LJ arrived totally out of shape coming off 2 surgeries, is an expert on LJ and his conditioning?

Not saying LJ is a great player or was a great player but let's be honest, if Wood was taking a shot at Anquan or one of the popular cards players, people would be ripping Wood. Because he's taking a shot at LJ, people give him a free pass.

Oh well, maybe that will help Wood get another shot as an OC somewhere.

LOL, yeah, maybe they should ask someone who didn't just get fired for a player evaluation. On a scale of 1-10 I wonder where Wood rates himself as an OC.

 

[joeshmo]

So a guy who coached on the same team as LJ for one year, the same year LJ arrived totally out of shape coming off 2 surgeries, is an expert on LJ and his conditioning?

Not saying LJ is a great player or was a great player but let's be honest, if Wood was taking a shot at Anquan or one of the popular cards players, people would be ripping Wood. Because he's taking a shot at LJ, people give him a free pass.

Oh well, maybe that will help Wood get another shot as an OC somewhere.

You might have a point if it was just Woods who was calling Shelton out. But it isnt. Wylie said the same exact thing about him. Plus not to mention Woods and Wylie have zero loyalties to the cards so it isnt like they have to hold there tongues and just let people think Denny made another cut based on his ego. They have no reason to bash or not bash the guy. They are giving their honest answers to a question that was asked of them about a guy they worked with all offseason.

Plus Shelton showed up to the Browns camp out of shape. He shows up there out of shape even though he knew he was going to be a FA this offseason and have to persuade teams to give him a contract. That still didnt get his butt in gear to get into shape. How much incentive does this guy need.

It isnt just Woods saying it, it is just another item to add to the list of Question marks on Sheltons commitment to wanting to be just mediocre or a 1st round LT like he should be. It is just another piece to add to a yet to be complete but ever growing puzzle.

And you are right about Boldin, we would jump all over Woods if he said that about Boldin. Why, becuase Boldin doesnt have a pattern or history of this.

 

[ajcardfan]

Plus Shelton showed up to the Browns camp out of shape. He shows up there out of shape even though he knew he was going to be a FA this offseason and have to persuade teams to give him a contract. That still didnt get his butt in gear to get into shape. How much incentive does this guy need.

I hadn't heard this. Where did you hear it?

 

[joeshmo]

I hadn't heard this. Where did you hear it?

Here you go.

Brown | Shelton Slightly out of Shape - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:00:45 -0700

Patrick McManamon, of the Akron Beacon Journal, reports Cleveland Browns OT L.J. Shelton is "not in ideal condition," according to head coach Romeo Crennel. Crennel added that there's time before training camp. Shelton, penciled in as the new left tackle, missed three games last season with a knee injury.

 

[ajcardfan]

Here you go.

Thanks. That certainly seems to confirm Wylie's backhanded compliment of Shelton. After all, there's been no one to "stay on top of" Shelton for the last five months.

 

[WildBB]

yeah . . . shelton was worth at least a 2nd round pick . . .

Yea, I remember all that nonsense on this board.

 

[WildBB]

LOL, yeah, maybe they should ask someone who didn't just get fired for a player evaluation. On a scale of 1-10 I wonder where Wood rates himself as an OC.

Lets be frank, he didn't have alot to work with last yr. The D carried that team in many games/.

 

[Card Trader]

Here you go.

Well, I guess this kind of blows the LJ lovers argument away...but of course, Wood was just making it up, he didn't know the real LJ that all us fans know

 

[cardsunsfan]

All I know is that we looked at lot better when Shelton came back from injury last yr... I don't know how good he was but I thought he looked better than any of our oline last yr except for maybe Davis... Maybe Wood would rate all of our other linemen around 3 or 2 and maybe Davis, if he's lucky a 7.. I don't know. Plus he might be trying to make himself look better by saying he didn't have much to work with....

 

[WildBB]

All I know is that we looked at lot better when Shelton came back from injury last yr... I don't know how good he was but I thought he looked better than any of our oline last yr except for maybe Davis... Maybe Wood would rate all of our other linemen around 3 or 2 and maybe Davis, if he's lucky a 7.. I don't know. Plus he might be trying to make himself look better by saying he didn't have much to work with....

He didn't have alot to work with. His best player came back off an injury after 6 wks. and the team I saw, the Offensive line was horrendous. Shelton had very little impact. The QBing pretty much sucked also as a result of the O line and the running game was sporadic at best.

The St. Louis game was really the only game this team really put a full game together.

 

[Russ Smith]

You might have a point if it was just Woods who was calling Shelton out. But it isnt. Wylie said the same exact thing about him. Plus not to mention Woods and Wylie have zero loyalties to the cards so it isnt like they have to hold there tongues and just let people think Denny made another cut based on his ego. They have no reason to bash or not bash the guy. They are giving their honest answers to a question that was asked of them about a guy they worked with all offseason.

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Wylie coached LJ for less time than Wood did, far less in fact.

Not saying LJ was a cut gymrat here but he wasn't nearly as out of shape as AC or even Big for much of his Card career.

The Cleveland thing is interesting since Shelton was quoted not that long ago as saying he learned from teh whole experience and was in great shape, apparently not true.

I standy by my comment, if Wood were calling out another player, people would be ripping Wood.

 

[Southpaw]

I guess Woods doesn't adhere to the " Brothers in Arms " code of ethics. Kinda threw his ass under the bus.

..or , " I am not a bad OC, I just had bad players".

 

[HeavyB3]

So a guy who coached on the same team as LJ for one year, the same year LJ arrived totally out of shape coming off 2 surgeries, is an expert on LJ and his conditioning?

Not saying LJ is a great player or was a great player but let's be honest, if Wood was taking a shot at Anquan or one of the popular cards players, people would be ripping Wood. Because he's taking a shot at LJ, people give him a free pass.

Oh well, maybe that will help Wood get another shot as an OC somewhere.

Well, he's not the only former Card coach to say stuff like this. The old offensive line coach who was fired.. Wiely or whatever was interviewed on Sirius NFL Radio and he basically said LJ did not work hard to get back into shape and only did enough to to keep himself in the mix. He called him lazy and soft.

 

[HeavyB3]

Wylie coached LJ for less time than Wood did, far less in fact.

Not saying LJ was a cut gymrat here but he wasn't nearly as out of shape as AC or even Big for much of his Card career.

The Cleveland thing is interesting since Shelton was quoted not that long ago as saying he learned from teh whole experience and was in great shape, apparently not true.

I standy by my comment, if Wood were calling out another player, people would be ripping Wood.

He didn't need to spend a whole lot of time with him to find out he was lazy. Jeeze spend 20 minutes with me and you would be able to tell how lazy I am.

 

[Russ Smith]

He didn't need to spend a whole lot of time with him to find out he was lazy. Jeeze spend 20 minutes with me and you would be able to tell how lazy I am.

Yeah I guess what I'm saying is that they are only judging LJ from 1 year or less in the case of Wylie. If Warhop came out and said he was lazy, or Trestman, or Olson, I'd be more inclined to take it seriously because they spent several years around him.

I'm not saying LJ is a hard worker or isn't, just that neither Wylie or Wood are the right people to be saying it because of the timing, we all know he reported out of shape but it was as much due to injury as to him being "lazy".

I mean if LJ came out today and said Wylie was a horrible OL coach and that's why he was demoted, would people give it any credence or would we just assume LJ was guilty of sour grapes?

I also found Wylies comments surprising because one of the rumors when Wylie was demoted was that he and Green didn't see eye to eye because of Kendall being cut, and LJ being benched, that Wylie felt Green set him up to fail. I'd always assumed there was something to that, so to hear that Wylie wasn't enamored with LJ surprised me.

LJ has always been talented but lacked "something" killer instinct if you will.

 

[CardLogic]

LJ has always been talented but lacked "something" killer instinct if you will.

That's it in a nutshell! For Green being talented just isn't enough... it's about attitude - you have got to want to improve and want to be the best. Now individuals may not be the best, but wanting to be will go along with DG!

Re: any idea of Green setting Wylie up to fail is simply rediculous... There is no reason to hire someone, only to "set them up to fail" a few months later; especially if their failure also is detrimental to your own performance.

GBR!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

That's it in a nutshell! For Green being talented just isn't enough... it's about attitude - you have got to want to improve and want to be the best. Now individuals may not be the best, but wanting to be will go along with DG!

Re: any idea of Green setting Wylie up to fail is simply rediculous... There is no reason to hire someone, only to "set them up to fail" a few months later; especially if their failure also is detrimental to your own performance.

GBR!!!

Set up to fail is a bad way of saying it I guess but does anybody really think when Green hired Wylie he told him, "by the way, I'm going to bench your starting LT, move your starting RG to LG, then to LT. I'm moving Wells to RG and then to LG, and by the way I'm going to release your starting C the day before camp opens to shake up the team."

Wylie may be a lousy OL coach we dont' really have enough to go on because he wasn't with us very long, but he wasn't exactly put in a position to succeed because he inherited an underperforming OL and then it was completely shifted around, reportedly not by him. Everything I hear is that Wylie was extremely bitter about the demotion but bit his tongue so as not to hurt his chances of getting another job.

He of course got hired by Syracuse and their new head coach Greg Robinson, who has long NFL ties. Buffalo's OL coach McNally was quoted in the press release when they hired Wylie as saying Wylie is a workaholic, constantly striving to improve the technique of his guys, a "perfectionist". That may be why he didn't like LJ maybe he thinks LJ doesn't work hard and relies on talent over technique? and that may be why he and Green didn't see eye to eye, Green has always seemed to be about having tough O linemen that will fight you, maybe he and Wylie didn't agree on what was wrong with our OL, Wylie felt they lacked technique, Green felt they were just soft? Who knows.

I had just never heard anything before that suggested Wylie didn't like LJ, if anything I thought LJ was one of the disagreements Wylie had with Green, it appears that's not true. Learn something new every day.

 

[Assface]

Set up to fail is a bad way of saying it I guess but does anybody really think when Green hired Wylie he told him, "by the way, I'm going to bench your starting LT, move your starting RG to LG, then to LT. I'm moving Wells to RG and then to LG, and by the way I'm going to release your starting C the day before camp opens to shake up the team."

Wylie may be a lousy OL coach we dont' really have enough to go on because he wasn't with us very long, but he wasn't exactly put in a position to succeed because he inherited an underperforming OL and then it was completely shifted around, reportedly not by him. Everything I hear is that Wylie was extremely bitter about the demotion but bit his tongue so as not to hurt his chances of getting another job.

He of course got hired by Syracuse and their new head coach Greg Robinson, who has long NFL ties. Buffalo's OL coach McNally was quoted in the press release when they hired Wylie as saying Wylie is a workaholic, constantly striving to improve the technique of his guys, a "perfectionist". That may be why he didn't like LJ maybe he thinks LJ doesn't work hard and relies on talent over technique? and that may be why he and Green didn't see eye to eye, Green has always seemed to be about having tough O linemen that will fight you, maybe he and Wylie didn't agree on what was wrong with our OL, Wylie felt they lacked technique, Green felt they were just soft? Who knows.

I had just never heard anything before that suggested Wylie didn't like LJ, if anything I thought LJ was one of the disagreements Wylie had with Green, it appears that's not true. Learn something new every day.

What I heard about Wylie a while back is that the problem between him and DG was over Green's treatment of the OL players. Wylies MO is that he becomes very close to his linemen (like he's one of them) and when his guys were benched, Kendall released with no warning, guys shuffled around wylie took it personal which is what lead to him and DG on the verge of a fist fight. It wasn't about anyone's performance but about those 2 having completely different ways of doing business.