Am I the only one unimpressed with Skelton?

[sportznutt]

His numbers look mediocre at best and outside of not turning the ball over as much as Derek Anderson, he has under-performed our original starting QB. Is it because he is 2-1 as a starter? Is it the lack of turnovers? I dunno.....I'm not as impressed as others, but perhaps it's because he's a rookie, and I shouldn't be expecting more out of him after only 3 games.

 

[82CardsGrad]

His numbers look mediocre at best and outside of not turning the ball over as much as Derek Anderson, he has under-performed our original starting QB. Is it because he is 2-1 as a starter? Is it the lack of turnovers? I dunno.....I'm not as impressed as others, but perhaps it's because he's a rookie, and I shouldn't be expecting more out of him after only 3 games.

Not sure how you can't be impressed with a kid from Fordham, who never took one snap with the first team all season, who gets thrust into live action and all he does is go 2 & 1, by showing incredible poise and control given where he was all year - Including his amazng 4th & 15 completion enroute to the last second game-winning drive last night - while also demonstrating above average arm strength and mobility... What the heck would you need to see from the kid in order to be impressed??

 

[sportznutt]

Still not overly impressed.......I look at his numbers and they're average.

Just my opinion I guess.

 

[Duckjake]

His numbers look mediocre at best and outside of not turning the ball over as much as Derek Anderson, he has under-performed our original starting QB. Is it because he is 2-1 as a starter? Is it the lack of turnovers? I dunno.....I'm not as impressed as others, but perhaps it's because he's a rookie, and I shouldn't be expecting more out of him after only 3 games.

What I'm impressed with so far is his size and mobility, something we haven't seen in a while, and his engineering a last minute drive for the winning FG converting a 4th and long. Something else we haven't seen in a while.

Of course Josh McCown fit those traits as well so I'll wait to see what happens next year but the future is brighter than it was when all we had anything to go on was DeWreck Anderson and Too Small Hall.

 

[earthsci]

He has good pocket awareness and evades the sack well. I've seen more than a few times that DA or Hall would have been sacked but Skelton at the very least evades and throws it away. That's when he doesn't run for some yards. Hasn't thrown many picks. He needs work but he doesn't make stupid mistakes. He has a cannon for an arm. When he sets correctly he throws a very nice pass. It just needs to be put together. Maybe this is why Whiz didn't want to play him yet, but he is the best QB on the roster.

 

[sportznutt]

He has good pocket awareness and evades the sack well. I've seen more than a few times that DA or Hall would have been sacked but Skelton at the very least evades and throws it away. That's when he doesn't run for some yards. Hasn't thrown many picks. He needs work but he doesn't make stupid mistakes. He has a cannon for an arm. When he sets correctly he throws a very nice pass. It just needs to be put together. Maybe this is why Whiz didn't want to play him yet, but he is the best QB on the roster.

That's not saying much.

 

[Gee!]

He's the best option we have this year for sure.. But Im not seeing the QBOTF that some of the people are raving about...

 

[82CardsGrad]

Still not overly impressed.......I look at his numbers and they're average.

Just my opinion I guess.

So, now you're just not "overly" impressed... ok...

Given what we know about where he came from and his position at the end of the bench all season, eactly what are your expectations for the kid? Are you expecting him to resemble Kurt Warner in terms of stats??

 

[Duckjake]

He's the best option we have this year for sure.. But Im not seeing the QBOTF that some of the people are raving about...

We'd better get used to seeing Skelator as the starter because unless the Cards get a really good FA QB or CKW changes his stance on rookies I believe John is going to be the man for a while even if the team drafts a QB next Spring.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I think, yeah, if you just look at the numbers, he isn't all that impressive. I agree with what earthsci said though. Skelton is a smart QB and, this year, that alone impresses me.

 

[Early]

Not sure how you can't be impressed with a kid from Fordham, who never took one snap with the first team all season, who gets thrust into live action and all he does is go 2 & 1, by showing incredible poise and control given where he was all year - Including his amazng 4th & 15 completion enroute to the last second game-winning drive last night - while also demonstrating above average arm strength and mobility... What the heck would you need to see from the kid in order to be impressed??

Like hitting all the open recievers that he either missed to see or that he wasn't able to hit accurately?

He almost couldn't get a 1st down all game long, besides the 4th down throw in the end. It's an impressive situation, being end of the game and all that, but even that throw was one of the easier NFL throws. The defense gave that one away. His physical skills were impressive, but that is not going to make him a great QB alone.

In regards to Hall, the defense in the two games Skelton won has been playing really really really well and he never has been in situation where he needed to play from behind all game long with large margin. Hall had one game as well where defense played well, and he also won that one, "impressively" according to many in here.

The thing is that when you are so much behind, the defense is not going to throw run blitzes at you and the playaction passes are useless. Playaction passes worked very well for Skelton due to defense giving a huge lead. They are going to be pressured when you are behind. And Skelton hasn't experienced that for real yet. The TD throw to Roberts is one example, but there are two major helps on that play: Jenkins busting the coverage completely and Beanie finally making a good passblock. Nice TD, but not even close to impressive. For Hall, Beanie blew up the pass block, and nobody was open.

I just think that these games were really easy for Skelton and he has not on one point so far shown any consistency to move the chains all the time. He has been highly inaccurate and very bad in finding open recievers, which means he doesn't fully scan the field yet properly. He is very very very raw.

I love his physical ability too, he is much better than Hall there. But in much harder situations, i don't see him doing anything spectacular for this team. In one year or two, he may see the game bit differently and become a very good QB. Right now, he is just very raw,much like Anderson, plus the ability to move in and outside of the pocket and is much harder to bring down.

What i like about him is that he looks cool in there, and his physical skills and the one audible he made on the Tim Hightower long TD run. He saw the overload blitz coming from the right and audibled to the run on the left side.

So, that is very promising, but he needs to become accurate and read the game ALOT better to have a chance at being a good starter. And these games were very easy due to defense playing so well.

I still think that Hall is way ahead Skelton, but none of the two are close to be ready at starting, eventually one of the two may become the real deal. We need a good veteran and a 1st round draftpick.

 

[sportznutt]

So, now you're just not "overly" impressed... ok...

Given what we know about where he came from and his position at the end of the bench all season, eactly what are your expectations for the kid? Are you expecting him to resemble Kurt Warner in terms of stats??

Sorry for adding the word overly........I am not impressed.

And I had very limited expectations for this kid, and I've gotten them.....I don't understand why people on this board like what they've seen out of him. I just haven't and am voicing that here.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Like hitting all the open recievers that he either missed to see or that he wasn't able to hit accurately?

He almost couldn't get a 1st down all game long, besides the 4th down throw in the end. It's an impressive situation, being end of the game and all that, but even that throw was one of the easier NFL throws. The defense gave that one away. His physical skills were impressive, but that is not going to make him a great QB alone.

In regards to Hall, the defense in the two games Skelton won has been playing really really really well and he never has been in situation where he needed to play from behind all game long with large margin. Hall had one game as well where defense played well, and he also won that one, "impressively" according to many in here.

The thing is that when you are so much behind, the defense is not going to throw run blitzes at you and the playaction passes are useless. Playaction passes worked very well for Skelton due to defense giving a huge lead. They are going to be pressured when you are behind. And Skelton hasn't experienced that for real yet. The TD throw to Roberts is one example, but there are two major helps on that play: Jenkins busting the coverage completely and Beanie finally making a good passblock. Nice TD, but not even close to impressive. For Hall, Beanie blew up the pass block, and nobody was open.

I just think that these games were really easy for Skelton and he has not on one point so far shown any consistency to move the chains all the time. He has been highly inaccurate and very bad in finding open recievers, which means he doesn't fully scan the field yet properly. He is very very very raw.

I love his physical ability too, he is much better than Hall there. But in much harder situations, i don't see him doing anything spectacular for this team. In one year or two, he may see the game bit differently and become a very good QB. Right now, he is just very raw,much like Anderson, plus the ability to move in and outside of the pocket and is much harder to bring down.

What i like about him is that he looks cool in there, and his physical skills and the one audible he made on the Tim Hightower long TD run. He saw the overload blitz coming from the right and audibled to the run on the left side.

So, that is very promising, but he needs to become accurate and read the game ALOT better to have a chance at being a good starter. And these games were very easy due to defense playing so well.

I still think that Hall is way ahead Skelton, but none of the two are close to be ready at starting, eventually one of the two may become the real deal. We need a good veteran and a 1st round draftpick.

SUre, we should expect Skelton to hit "all the open receivers...

What a joke. Look, I am not at all suggesting that he should be considered our QBOF. However, if you or anyone else had these types of expectations, well... I don't know what to say...

 

[Early]

SUre, we should expect Skelton to hit "all the open receivers...

What a joke. Look, I am not at all suggesting that he should be considered our QBOF. However, if you or anyone else had these types of expectations, well... I don't know what to say...

There were so many plays with open recievers that he didn't identify, it's scary. It's a joke if you didn't see them from your TV screen. Warner would have put up 400 yards in that game and the game would never be close, all what was needed was couple of first downs between start of 2nd and mid 4th, Skelton was horrible in that stretch. It's as easy game for the QB as they come.

Sure, QBOF, that's what we are looking for. That's what's all about. Skelton has showed that he isnt that player right now, not even close. But he may be that in two years time, maybe even next year, it all depends how much he learns in offseason. But my guess is the raw this kid is, and that is alot, he needs at least two years time to improve his accuracy and ability to read defenses.

Hall is reading the defenses alot better, but struggled completely to identify the correct blocking schemes for the defensive looks he saw and audible out of the wrong calls. If he improves in that area, he also may be that QB we search for.

 

[82CardsGrad]

There were so many plays with open recievers that he didn't identify, it's scary. It's a joke if you didn't see them from your TV screen. Warner would have put up 400 yards in that game and the game would never be close, all what was needed was couple of first downs between start of 2nd and mid 4th, Skelton was horrible in that stretch. It's as easy game for the QB as they come.

Sure, QBOF, that's what we are looking for. That's what's all about. Skelton has showed that he isnt that player right now, not even close. But he may be that in two years time, maybe even next year, it all depends how much he learns in offseason. But my guess is the raw this kid is, and that is alot, he needs at least two years time to improve his accuracy and ability to read defenses.

Hall is reading the defenses alot better, but struggled completely to identify the correct blocking schemes for the defensive looks he saw and audible out of the wrong calls. If he improves in that area, he also may be that QB we search for.

Dude, seriously... you do realize you are attempting to compare a John Skelton to a future Hall of Fame QB in Kurt Warner, don't you??

Why would you expect anything more from Skelton that what he's given? What in the world has he done to make you believe that he should be doing more?
IMHO, given what we know about him and the fact that he was the #3 all season long, I believe he has been a surprise. His numbers are what they are (we could try to go back and count all of the drops he's had as well I guess...). But in the end, he's 2 & 1. He's shown great poise and presence that belies his #3 position on this team and his play at NCAA "powerhouse" Fordham...

 

[nashman]

If you think Hall is ahead of Skelton WOW thats all that can be said. Skelton at least appears that he SHOULD BE in the NFL... Max Hall not so much! If your not impressed by Skeltons poise alone your not paying attention because he seems to have the "IT" factor of being able to play QB. Sure he is raw and young but thats not a bad thing keep grooming him we may have our QB still you need to ditch Hall and DA and bring in a capable backup and draft a project one as well. Skelton has been impressive and brings a certain calmness that the great QB's seem to have, to give up on him now...well would be about as cutting Leinart!

 

[PACardsFan]

There were so many plays with open recievers that he didn't identify, it's scary. It's a joke if you didn't see them from your TV screen. Warner would have put up 400 yards in that game and the game would never be close, all what was needed was couple of first downs between start of 2nd and mid 4th, Skelton was horrible in that stretch. It's as easy game for the QB as they come.

Sure, QBOF, that's what we are looking for. That's what's all about. Skelton has showed that he isnt that player right now, not even close. But he may be that in two years time, maybe even next year, it all depends how much he learns in offseason. But my guess is the raw this kid is, and that is alot, he needs at least two years time to improve his accuracy and ability to read defenses.

Hall is reading the defenses alot better, but struggled completely to identify the correct blocking schemes for the defensive looks he saw and audible out of the wrong calls. If he improves in that area, he also may be that QB we search for.

I think that you're biggest mistake is making comparisons between what we had (Warner) & what we currently have. Warner's heading to the HOF & Skelton is a rookie from Fordham. I was a Hall supporter also, but he was in WAY, WAY, WAY over his head & I feared for his life every time he was hit. He had absolutely NO pocket awareness & his arm strength was weak & that's being generous. I am in no way advocating that Skelton is our QBOF, but he is light years better than Hall or DA! If you can't see that, then you flat out just don't want to see it.

 

[Early]

Dude, seriously... you do realize you are attempting to compare a John Skelton to a future Hall of Fame QB in Kurt Warner, don't you??

Why would you expect anything more from Skelton that what he's given? What in the world has he done to make you believe that he should be doing more?
IMHO, given what we know about him and the fact that he was the #3 all season long, I believe he has been a surprise. His numbers are what they are (we could try to go back and count all of the drops he's had as well I guess...). But in the end, he's 2 & 1. He's shown great poise and presence that belies his #3 position on this team and his play at NCAA "powerhouse" Fordham...

Please don't dude me. Kurt Warner was in same situation in beginning of his career. So was Brady. So was any other great QB, we don't need to mention the best of the best, we can also just mention the good starters in this league. All QB's should be comapred to them, so we know where they stand. Which skills do they have and which ones do they lack in order to become good?

He is not accurate, he can't read the field. He has some skills that are very promising and alot to work with. He is just raw and not ready yet to take over the games and move the chains.

There is good reason the coaches didn't want to force him on the field, i think these games prove that. There is a chance he might get ready, next year, or the year after that. That is also what i saw from him evaluating his collegetapes prior to the draft, this was one of the guys i wanted us to draft, because there is alot to work with.

But he clearly is not ready at all, he has a chance in being much better than he is now if he works on accuracy and reading NFL defenses and recognizing much faster where the single coverage is and especially the zone calls, because he has been absolutely terrible in reading zones.

 

[Early]

If you think Hall is ahead of Skelton WOW thats all that can be said. Skelton at least appears that he SHOULD BE in the NFL... Max Hall not so much! If your not impressed by Skeltons poise alone your not paying attention because he seems to have the "IT" factor of being able to play QB. Sure he is raw and young but thats not a bad thing keep grooming him we may have our QB still you need to ditch Hall and DA and bring in a capable backup and draft a project one as well. Skelton has been impressive and brings a certain calmness that the great QB's seem to have, to give up on him now...well would be about as cutting Leinart!

I like Skelton much more than i like Leinart. He is cool and he has that poise, that's also what i wrote. He has that skill.

He is just inaccurate and absolutely horrible in reading defenses, so he needs more time to develop. But yes, i love his poise, the game is not too big for him, and i love his physical skills, he is very hard to bring down. His moblity as well.

Impressive? Not at all. Tebow today was impressive. Solid is the word. Horrible most of the game, but good in the end. Solid overall. What i expected out of raw QB like Skelton in a relatively very easy game to quarterback.

 

[nashman]

Not sure what these guys have against Skelton but he has shown more in 3 games than any QB on the roster with way more experience. If your not impressed then your clearly not watching just looking at numbers which DO NOT say it all! The team clearly is impressed with him and are playing hard FOR HIM so dont really care if a few posters on a message board don't think he is good enough!

 

[SuperSpck]

There were so many plays with open recievers that he didn't identify, it's scary.

That's true.
He's missing a lot of easy reads. More then a few to Larry.
The opportunity for the game to slow down hasn't happened yet.
Based on his experience, it's reasonable to be both patient, but also unimpressed.

Warner would have put up 400 yards in that game and the game would never be close, all what was needed was couple of first downs between start of 2nd and mid 4th,

Time to put that comparison to bed, those days are over and to have Warner-esque expectations for anyone other then Warner (or another HOFer) will only lead to a letdown.

QBOF, that's what we are looking for. That's what's all about. Skelton has showed that he isnt that player right now, not even close. But he may be that in two years time, maybe even next year, it all depends how much he learns in offseason. But my guess is the raw this kid is, and that is alot, he needs at least two years time to improve his accuracy and ability to read defenses.

No argument, but failing a QB-of-the-now one for the future is as good as it'll be.

Hall is reading the defenses alot better, but struggled completely to identify the correct blocking schemes for the defensive looks he saw and audible out of the wrong calls. If he improves in that area, he also may be that QB we search for.

Hall's body won't allow him to advance in the league.
Not a knock on the man, just the truth based on the sample.
......
He's not a "wowing" rookie, but he's solid and there is a reason to believe there's hope. No reason to be awed but there's no reason to not see upside.

 

[SuperSpck]

Please don't dude me. Kurt Warner was in same situation in beginning of his career. So was Brady.

And neither played as rookies.
In fact, Warner's maturation processes took much longer then the usual HoF NFL QB.
Brady sat behind Bledsoe for a year and in college he played against much better talent week in and out then Skelton.

 

[SECTION 11]

Pretty hard to evaluate a quarterback that you've never seen play. Just sayin.

 

[football karma]

lets be honest

Skelton is being graded on a curve -- the "5th round rookie from Fordham, we had enough of DA, Mad Max was a disaster, and the Cards are out of the playoffs" curve

 

[conraddobler]

Sheesh people are never satisfied.

Do I think Skelton is the next comming of Tom Brady?

No, but then again Tom Brady is pretty rare.

I see a lot of upside there, tons of it, almost all he does wrong is correctable, the things he does right are almost uncoachable.

You can't coach pocket presence very well, you can't graft a great arm on someone, you can't teach them poise and you can't make someone 6 foot 6 inches tall.

You can teach them how to read defenses and improve their footwork and make their release more consistent.

A lot of people on here seem to think stats tell you everything, and they do not.

Look up Elway's stats.

He got through some awful first year stats because he was such a high draft pick, and Aikman won like one game his first year.

When a team is playing it's third string QB, something has gone horribly wrong, the fact he wins at all is pretty rare, how many games do third string QB's usually win in the NFL?