Am I the only person very happy with this draft?

[Diamondback Jay]

How many times do we have to post this? Because no matter how you try to spin it: Leonard Davis + LaRon Landry > Levi Brown.

I'll post it until I'm blue in the face, because there's nothing or noone convincing me Leonard Davis is worth a 50 million dollar investment.

Sorry, I'll take a young starting CB (Roderick Hood), fresh blood at LT for a fraction of the cost (Levi Brown), depth on the offensive line (Mike Gandy and Al Johnson) and a young starting safety (Terrance Holt) over Leonard Davis.

 

[Duckjake]

I'll post it until I'm blue in the face, because there's nothing or noone convincing me Leonard Davis is worth a 50 million dollar investment.

Sorry, I'll take a young starting CB (Roderick Hood), fresh blood at LT for a fraction of the cost (Levi Brown), depth on the offensive line (Mike Gandy and Al Johnson) and a young starting safety (Terrance Holt) over Leonard Davis.

You forgot LaRon Landry again.

 

[CtCardinals78]

First off, Clements worth 80 million to you? Yeah he's a good CB, but should Arizona have opened it's wallet and crippled themselves elsewhere? I don't think he's THAT good of a player to make the "splash" San Francisco did.

Ashley Lelie is mediocre.. And that's stretching it. Sure, he's an upgrade over Antonio Bryant.. But is that really saying a whole lot?

Willis is a good LB.. I do agree he'll be the most complete LB to come out of this year's draft, but would you have taken him at 5? What would he have done to fix Arizona's Grand Canyon sized hole at LT? Also, you admitted you liked Buster, so it's not as though Arizona completely ignored the position.




Who? A declining Patrick Kearney?



..... who was on a team with two young Pro Bowl caliber CB.



That's subjective. Also, would you have given him what Dallas paid him? Forget about what COULD have been last year, let's talk about the here and now.



.... who at least three teams were ready to jump on like flies on stank had Arizona not picked him.

I just wish we were a little more agressive in FA that's all. I wish we had saved some money in case a good cap casualty comes up in June. I like Rod Hood a lot and hope he's a good starter for us, but when SF and SEA were being aggressive I would have liked to have seen something. As far as Clements, I might have offered him close to that we needed a CB that badly. For our case I hope it's the coaching that derailed our defensive backfild.

Maybe I wouldn't have paid Big all that money but I would have at least franchised him I am sure we could have moved him today. Even if we got a third rounder for him it would have been better than letting him walk.

Again I love the Davis pick. You're still the man Jay and tomorrow we'll have a better day.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

You forgot LaRon Landry again.

Fine.

I'll take all of the afforementioned players over Leonard Davis and LaRon Landry.

 

[Duckjake]

Fine.

I'll take all of the afforementioned players over Leonard Davis and LaRon Landry.

I'd trade you everyone of those players for Leonard Davis and LaRon Landry and even throw in Oliver Ross.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I guess it's fair to say we agree to disagree then. Regardless, there's really little point divulging in what the Cardinals COULD have had (or in respect to those who think this way-- SHOULD have had.)

Would, could and should haves aren't going to change what is.

 

[Skkorpion]

I like these picks because of what they represent. Attention to the line of scrimmage. Something we failed to do in the past. decent OLBs will be there in the third. Graves did something impressive... he traded up for a player he wanted. He was aggressive and saw a player probably very high on his board to where it was a bargain to give up that 4th for it. SO he drafted him, despite not being as big of a need where we got him.

You speak for me. History will tell us if Graves was right or wrong.

 

[Skkorpion]

both are reaches. Will they be good players? Maybe, but when you only have 6 picks you don't give up one to move 5 spots for a player who by most accounts would have been there when you picked next.

clif, you have no idea if they were reaches. They might have been or might not. I believe you go get the players you want.

 

[overseascardfan]

Tomorrow I would be happy with CB Travarious Bain in the 5th and TE Jake Nordin in the 7th.

 

[D-Dogg]

I like these picks because of what they represent. Attention to the line of scrimmage. Something we failed to do in the past. decent OLBs will be there in the third. Graves did something impressive... he traded up for a player he wanted. He was aggressive and saw a player probably very high on his board to where it was a bargain to give up that 4th for it. SO he drafted him, despite not being as big of a need where we got him.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

We reached for Brown, but I really like the pick .. I guess we had no one to trade down with ..

Branch was a bad move because of what we had to give up (4th) to get a player at a position that we are loaded at ...

We could have stayed at #38 and got a real good player .. like a LB .. or traded with SD and gathered picks ...

We are not loaded at DT. We have one serviceable DT in Clancy at thats it.

Dockett, Watson, Cooper and Johnson are also rans.

Branch may or may not have been there at 38. So, we manned up and made a move. We were proactive.

 

[Duckjake]

clif, you have no idea if they were reaches. They might have been or might not. I believe you go get the players you want.

I've always felt that way. You can find my posts on the subject going back to 2003 probably, asking how can a guy be a "reach" if he's the next player on your board? If he works out well no one will remember if he was "picked too soon" anyway.

Works the other way too with guys considered to be "steals". In 2005 the Cards got 5 guys ranked in the Huddlereport top 75. I think one of them started for us last year.

 

[Skkorpion]

Diamondback Jay, if I had known you were a Penn Stater, I'd have banned you in a flash. Too late. You make too much sense. We're stuck with you.

Duckjake, you wrinkled, dried up piece of Texas drivel, golfing your way around the world, enough already. Cheer up. Drop the sarcasm (although it often makes me chuckle). Enjoy life. See you this fall.

 

[kerouac9]

I've always felt that way. You can find my posts on the subject going back to 2003 probably, asking how can a guy be a "reach" if he's the next player on your board? If he works out well no one will remember if he was "picked too soon" anyway.

Works the other way too with guys considered to be "steals". In 2005 the Cards got 5 guys ranked in the Huddlereport top 75. I think one of them started for us last year.

Brown wasn't the next player on our board. Graves admitted it.

 

[Shane]

Brown wasn't the next player on our board. Graves admitted it.

So what? http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1339754&postcount=6 Perfectly stated!

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Diamondback Jay, if I had known you were a Penn Stater, I'd have banned you in a flash. Too late. You make too much sense. We're stuck with you.

These are the exact words my wife dropped on me right before we got married.

And to think she rejected the son of a Texas oil tycoon for my broke butt.

 

[nurnay]

I'm OK with it, and agree that people were waaaaaay overreacting. In fact, I gave up on the message board, as the comments were only making me angry (and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry ).

My only concern was trading up in the second and not grabbing Harris or Poluznsky (or however it's spelled). But, we did grab a LB in the third. I kind of hate giving up that 4th rounder.

All in all, it was a good start and I think these guys will all contribute.

 

[D-Dogg]

So, we manned up and made a move. We were proactive.

This is true and awesome...it is NOT the same ol' Cards...hasn't been for years at least in philosophy around the FO. Hasn't translated to wins yet, but it damn sure will.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'd trade you everyone of those players for Leonard Davis and LaRon Landry and even throw in Oliver Ross.

I hate to tell you this but we would have drafted Adrian Peterson had we kept Davis. We drafted Holt, upped Francisco and have Wilson. There was no need there.

Your crazy when you say you would trade all those players for BIG and Landry. I think Landry will be pretty good but for everyone who loves him so much - I heard many times over today he is not much of a centerfielder in pass coverage. He sounds like Roy Williams too me. So its not like we lost Ronnie Lott or even Ed Reed. And you know how i feel about Leonard Davis and his effect on the team.

That's the biggest misunderstanding i have with everyone so upset with our off season so far. The reason i would rather have those five players over the two is because the intention all along was too build DEPTH. Thats what good teams have opposed to teams like us and Detroit that have front line talent. The NFL is a battle of attrition and gameplans that can take any one single player out of the game. You have to have lots of good solid backups in order to be a team that competes over a 16 game season. Wiz understands this due to his time with the Steelers. So rather than sign a Davis and one other player (which is all Billy boy is going to spend) they distributed the money around to many guys that are going to be starters or top backups.

This draft was a very STEELERS draft IMO. For the last decade I would watch the Steelers make very unsexy picks the first couple rounds and be unimpressed initially. But then i realized thats what contributed to their success. Building up the lines with high picks. The Eagles do the same thing.

So now Wiz comes and promises to create

a) open competition and depth on a team lacking both

b) and a commitment to get bigger, stronger and more talented across both lines

Check. and Check. That is a combination that makes you a playoff team and allows for consistent winning.

We have Pro Bowlers guys. We have Leinart and Edge and Q and Fitz. Hell we have Dansby and Wilson too. We have star players. Now you need to surround them with guys who are solid and do the job. and guys who can come in should injury or ineffectivenss occur.

I'm not in love with our draft. But I am confident in the coaching and the plan. That's more than i can say for Denny.

Plus one other phenomenom i realized today. When Quinn started dropping there was a point from 10 - 25 where it seemed there is no way he would get picked and he could even fall into the second round. You know why? Because all those teams 10 -32 (playoff teams esp) have good quarterback play. and it gets better and mroe stable the higher you go 9except for Chicago).

So remember when you start to despair. We still have Matt.

Damn... Whens training camp start?

 

[Heucrazy]

I'm OK with it, and agree that people were waaaaaay overreacting. In fact, I gave up on the message board, as the comments were only making me angry (and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry ).

My only concern was trading up in the second and not grabbing Harris or Poluznsky (or however it's spelled). But, we did grab a LB in the third. I kind of hate giving up that 4th rounder.

All in all, it was a good start and I think these guys will all contribute.

When the trade was made I looked at my brother-in-law and told him we were getting Posluznsky. When the pick came down and it was Branch I was shocked. But he was a hell of a steal for were we got him and he'll make what LB's we do have even better.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

AF good points all across the board.

Seriously, name me the last "sexy pick" the Patriots made? How about the Steelers?

I'll take the all across the board talent against snatching a strength at one position and neglecting the others.

There's a big reason why I say I'd rather have Rod Hood, Terrance Holt, Levi Brown, Al Johnson, etc. over Davis and Landry. There's a big reason why I've been one of the outspoken ones on this team blowing it's wad financially on an Asante Samuel, a Nate Clements, a Lance Briggs or a Adalieus Thomas.

When taking the mold for success, which model of success would you prefer to follow? The Patriots, who go after the non-flashy, but effective playmakers or the Redskins who seemingly spend the Kings' Ransom every post season on the flavor of the moment stars?

Give me New England's model, have faith in the coaching staff, scouts and front office to do their respective jobs and hope for the best. Build up the depth.. Spend, but spend moderately. Eventually, you'll see this team get to the point where they'll have the money to make a splash once in awhile, like New England did this off-season with Thomas.

 

[D-Dogg]

This draft was a very STEELERS draft IMO. For the last decade I would watch the Steelers make very unsexy picks the first couple rounds and be unimpressed initially. But then i realized thats what contributed to their success. Building up the lines with high picks. The Eagles do the same thing.

So now Wiz comes and promises to create

a) open competition and depth on a team lacking both

b) and a commitment to get bigger, stronger and more talented across both lines

Check. and Check. That is a combination that makes you a playoff team and allows for consistent winning.

We have Pro Bowlers guys. We have Leinart and Edge and Q and Fitz. Hell we have Dansby and Wilson too. We have star players. Now you need to surround them with guys who are solid and do the job. and guys who can come in should injury or ineffectivenss occur.

:notworthy

 

[PJ1]

AF good points all across the board.

Seriously, name me the last "sexy pick" the Patriots made? How about the Steelers?

I'll take the all across the board talent against snatching a strength at one position and neglecting the others.

There's a big reason why I say I'd rather have Rod Hood, Terrance Holt, Levi Brown, Al Johnson, etc. over Davis and Landry. There's a big reason why I've been one of the outspoken ones on this team blowing it's wad financially on an Asante Samuel, a Nate Clements, a Lance Briggs or a Adalieus Thomas.

When taking the mold for success, which model of success would you prefer to follow? The Patriots, who go after the non-flashy, but effective playmakers or the Redskins who seemingly spend the Kings' Ransom every post season on the flavor of the moment stars?

Give me New England's model, have faith in the coaching staff, scouts and front office to do their respective jobs and hope for the best. Build up the depth.. Spend, but spend moderately. Eventually, you'll see this team get to the point where they'll have the money to make a splash once in awhile, like New England did this off-season with Thomas.

Which team signed Adalieus Thomas? I believe it was the team who's model you would like to follow. Correct?

 

[JeffGollin]

Two months ago, I said I hated where we were positioned in the draft, because - other than Thomas - the top echelon of players were at positions we didn't need filled and that we were at the cusp of a large plateau of red chip players that extended well past the middle of the 1st round.

Trading down would seem to be a sensible option, but Rod Graves said he received no phone calls and there were no takers.

We also allowed ourselves to be boxed in the months leading up to the off season and the draft by not being proactive enough to solve a glaring problem at OT - not necessarily our fault because starting tackles don't grow on trees and can suck up an incredible amount of cap space.

I therefore view the selection of Levi Brown as being "we gotta do what we gotta do."

And that's not all that bad. Whether or not you agree that Brown could actually turn out to be better than Thomas, the CW among many knowledgeable people was that the two were "closer together than initially expected" (call them 1a and 1b).

In the end, we had a void to fill on our O-line and we filled it with a very good football player. This was not one of those reach for Tommy Knight kind of deals - Brown has Pro Bowl potential in my opinion.

 

[Pariah]

Seriously, name me the last "sexy pick" the Patriots made? How about the Steelers?

The last 3 positions the Steelers drafted were (in reverse order): WR, TE, QB. Maybe TE isn't "sexy" but I don't think you get much "sexier" than QB and WR.

And last year New England drafted a RB.