Amare: Doctors or Kobe?

[Chris_Sanders]

Amare taking advice from Kobe is no different than him taking advice from Steve Nash, Antawn Jamison, or Elton Brand. It's an us vs. them mentality with pro players in any sport and this is more of the same. And what did Amare listening to the advice of Suns' medical people get him last year - three below average games and another stint in the surgeon's office.

No Amare DIDN'T listen to the doctors. He listened to Kobe and it got him 3 below average games and another stint in the surgeons office. DId you even read the article?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

No Amare DIDN'T listen to the doctors. He listened to Kobe and it got him 3 below average games and another stint in the surgeons office. DId you even read the article?

So Kobe's responsible for Amare's injury now? Good call.

Maybe if you work hard enough you can pin the JFK assasination on Bryant. It's fairly obvious that like many pro athletes Amare simply does not trust team doctors and their staffs. It's not uncommon, many professionals think because where the medical staff gets their paycheck from that they have the organization's and not the players' best interests at heart.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You don't "Do too much" in therapy. You are given specific guidelines that take into account what your body can tolerate and what would be "too much." You are going to have some discomfort when you are rehabbing but that is how you get your strength and mobility back. If you half ass it, you lose out.

In his original comeback, he didn't follow his doctors orders. This is a fact. Remember how he never made his timeline for rehab? Now we know why. I am glad that board certified orthopedist Kobe is handing out advice and Amare is taking it.

And I have never said one single negative thing about Amare. This is just shockingly stupid to ignore doctors orders on the word of a friend.

i'm sorry, but if you don't think team doctors have an agenda and just have the player's best interest at heart, that's pretty naive. Personally, having seen EVERY OTHER CASE OF MICROFRACTURE, the second that time-table came out I was dubious - you don't have to be a doctor to see the disasterous results which have occurred with players coming back too early.

 

[msdundee]

Because he talked to Kobe Bryant?

Geez, you guys all need to calm down. Kobe talked to Amare about his rehab--big deal. He probably spoke to Zach Randolph, Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin as well. Who cares? But since it's Kobe Bryant and we're playing the Lakers, this gets magnified and everyone freaks out.

This could have simply been a casual conversation during All-Star festivities, for all we know. No need to jump to crazy conclusions like he's immature simply for talking to another player about his knee. To assume they party together is way overboard.

Uh, did anyone notice that ALL the quotes in that article came from Kobe?

Amare's said that he did talk to Randolph, and that Jason Kidd called him during his rehab with some advice and encouragement when he heard Amare was having a tough time. Both had been through the microfracture surgery and both were back and playing well. Kidd said his advice was to take it slow and be patient. The voice of experience comes through loud and clear, but in the end Amare said he knew exactly what he could tolerate and went accordingly. D'Antoni's admitted there were concerns about his commitment to rehab, because the investment was there and because everybody was anxious to see him back. Apparently Amare trusted himself and did it right.

 

[DeAnna]

Well, truth be told - I agree with Kobe. If your body is telling you to stop (ie, there is pain) then back off. I remember when I was rehabbing my shoulder - the therapist wanted me to keep pushing and it just got more painful. I backed off for a week, and that worked miracles!

 

[pokerface]

1) Kobe was ACCUSED of rape...not CONVICTED of rape. So save the Salem witch trials over it.

2) At least someone backed me up over saying Amare shouldnt rush back or rush his treatment. Kobe is no micro expert but he's a professional athlete who has experienced things himself and I'm sure has talked to others about knee problems. Nine times out of ten when someone says to take things slower its the PRUDENT thing to do.

 

[Covert Rain]

You can speculate all you want about how Amare went about his rehab.

Bottom line - Amare was the only Suns player to play in every game this season.

Nuff said.

 

[Ballamania]

LOL!! this thread in itself has gotten out of hand and now its just funny. how easy the arguments come , wow.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

So Kobe's responsible for Amare's injury now? Good call.

Maybe if you work hard enough you can pin the JFK assasination on Bryant. It's fairly obvious that like many pro athletes Amare simply does not trust team doctors and their staffs. It's not uncommon, many professionals think because where the medical staff gets their paycheck from that they have the organization's and not the players' best interests at heart.

No Amare is responsible for Amare not following his rehab. Kobe can give him dumb advice (Advice that completely flies in the face of what any therapist will tell you), but Amare is the one who ultimately decided to not follow through.

What Amare should have done was get a second opinion outside of the team if he doesn't trust them. Trusting a layman to give you sound medical advice is stupid.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You can speculate all you want about how Amare went about his rehab.

Bottom line - Amare was the only Suns player to play in every game this season.

Nuff said.

This is about last year not this year. Read the timeline people.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

i'm sorry, but if you don't think team doctors have an agenda and just have the player's best interest at heart, that's pretty naive. Personally, having seen EVERY OTHER CASE OF MICROFRACTURE, the second that time-table came out I was dubious - you don't have to be a doctor to see the disasterous results which have occurred with players coming back too early.

I absolutely believe that after giving Amare millions of dollars the team and the doctors have his best long term interests in mind.

He was on a rehab schedule and didn't follow it. This is well documented. So much so, that he and the team were arguing. Now we know why he wasn't following it, because he was told "If it hurts don't do it."

And Amare's second knee surgery wasn't on his microfracture knee. It was on his "good knee".

 

[Cheesebeef]

you know, a couple days ago, Treesquid made a comment about amare haters and I thought it was ridiculous, no one really has built up animosity towards amare on this board. Now, I'm not so sure. Every single word of his is magnififed (even though the same people usually let others get away with certain ridiculous comments, * cough* Shawn Marion * cough) and every word negative said about him is treated like gospel. what's with the subversive amare slant? I don't get it. The guy rehabbed well enough to likely by 1st or 2nd ALL-NBA - anyone else see the other superstars who had microfracture do that their first season back... or EVER AGAIN?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

BTW this entire article was the joke of the day in my therapy department.

My boss offered to go give Kobe some basketball lessons since he works for the NCAA and has seen basketball played before. It's about the same analogy.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

you know, a couple days ago, Treesquid made a comment about amare haters and I thought it was ridiculous, no one really has built up animosity towards amare on this board. Now, I'm not so sure. Every single word of his is magnififed (even though the same people usually let others get away with certain ridiculous comments, * cough* Shawn Marion * cough) and every word negative said about him is treated like gospel. what's with the subversive amare slant? I don't get it. The guy rehabbed well enough to likely by 1st or 2nd ALL-NBA - anyone else see the other superstars who had microfracture do that their first season back... or EVER AGAIN?

I don't hate Amare. I have never said a single word about Amare. My reaction to this would be the same regardless of the player's name if the circumstances were similiar.

Go fish.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't hate Amare. I have never said a single word about Amare. My reaction to this would be the same regardless of the player's name if the circumstances were similiar.

Go fish.

someone's defensive!!!! didn't realize I named names up there - it was just a general feeling Chris - don't take everything so personally.

 

[AsUdUdE]

anyone else still think the lakers (well kobe) are postering and getting on stats good side? It seems every article i read, stat is completmenting kobe, or phil or kobe are pimping stat...

anyone else afraid in 2 years when stat has an opt out clause, the lakers are trying to plant the seed for stoudemire to bolt phoenix for LA.

I can totally see the conversation between Amare and Kobe last summer " Man they are treating you so bad, making you do things, you don't deserve that, you deserve to be the man in the middle, you shouldn't share the middle spot light with anyone......"

Screw the lakers...

 

[Covert Rain]

This is about last year not this year. Read the timeline people.

Uh hello. This about the results of his rehab. Why harp on coulda woulda shoulda? Makes no sense. Even if Amare could have rehabbed harder, there is no way he would have made any impact at the end of last year.

We already got to see his struggles at the start of this year. So again, he has played in every single game this season. Rehashing the past is pointless.

Nuff said.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is about last year not this year. Read the timeline people.

if you think one has nothing to do with the other, than I'm not sure what more there is to say.

edit: this post was totally out of bounds. my apologies.

 

[Ballamania]

this is getting good now. whoohoo!

 

[msdundee]

you know, a couple days ago, Treesquid made a comment about amare haters and I thought it was ridiculous, no one really has built up animosity towards amare on this board. Now, I'm not so sure. Every single word of his is magnififed (even though the same people usually let others get away with certain ridiculous comments, * cough* Shawn Marion * cough) and every word negative said about him is treated like gospel. what's with the subversive amare slant? I don't get it. The guy rehabbed well enough to likely by 1st or 2nd ALL-NBA - anyone else see the other superstars who had microfracture do that their first season back... or EVER AGAIN?

I'm surprised that anyone's surprised, because it seems to be SOP. Everything that appears in every area of the media is dissected, interpreted, and overanalyzed. If it supports even a shred of personal negativity about any one individual, it's a real coup and gets beaten to death. Hard * cough * to figure.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

if you think one has nothing to do with the other, than I'm not sure what more there is to say.

edit: this post was totally out of bounds. my apologies.

I think it has little do with his microfracture leg and more to do with his good leg that he injured because he was over compensating and it wasn't strong enough.

Yes it has little to bear with this year, but it helps explain events that I didn't understand last year.

As to Amare going to the Lakers, the Lakers have coveted Amare for some time. I am sure most of the league does

 

[Chris_Sanders]

if you think one has nothing to do with the other, than I'm not sure what more there is to say.

edit: this post was totally out of bounds. my apologies.

I wouldn't have taken offense so no worries. We just have a difference of opinion on the matter.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

No Amare DIDN'T listen to the doctors. He listened to Kobe and it got him 3 below average games and another stint in the surgeons office. DId you even read the article?

Sorry was that Kobe who sat down with Amare and two days later Amare played or was that Jerry Colangelo?

For the haters, Nash and Dirk have dinner together and everyone thinks that's the neatest thing in the world. Amare talks to Kobe and there are serious questions! LOL give me a break.

If anyone thinks Amare Stoudemire is the only player in the NBA to have good friends on other teams please page me when you come back from fairyland. In fact, I would bet that most of the Suns still hang out with Joe Johnson and Q in the offseason.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

anyone else still think the lakers (well kobe) are postering and getting on stats good side? It seems every article i read, stat is completmenting kobe, or phil or kobe are pimping stat...

anyone else afraid in 2 years when stat has an opt out clause, the lakers are trying to plant the seed for stoudemire to bolt phoenix for LA.

I can totally see the conversation between Amare and Kobe last summer " Man they are treating you so bad, making you do things, you don't deserve that, you deserve to be the man in the middle, you shouldn't share the middle spot light with anyone......"

Screw the lakers...

No, the Suns learned their lesson from Joe Johnson, Amare would be traded once word got out. There is no way the Lakers could keep a plan like that secret for two years.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Wait you are talking about the "sit down meeting" right before Amare came back. Nevermind I am a moron. =)