Amare not expected to be traded....soooo

[PoolBoy]

Suns fans, we have had our Leinart vs. Warner, Fitz vs Boldin type of board split. Now we need to come together around Amare. I was for trading him, but with a run and gun style now with a better SG in J-Rich, this team could make SOME NOISE in the playoffs. Time to get around Amare again.

 

[Chaplin]

If Amare or Shaq are NOT traded, will that mean anything to the anti-Sarver crowd? If we don't trade anyone for financial relief, then Sarver is actually paying 4 million dollars more than what he could have done.

I'm not saying he's not full of crap, but that's got to mean something to people who think he only cares about the bottom line.

 

[pokerface]

Time for Amare to step up and get us in the playoffs.

 

[arwillan]

Let's face it: nobody coaches the uptempo game like D'antoni. Gentry may be the best thing we've got left, but he's not Mike. He can say "well let's do what we did when mike was here", but the adjustments and coaching that go on outside of that aren't going to be the same. mike is the master of that style, Gentry can only try to mock him. Sadly, i think this might make the team even more of a mess. I sure hope it doesn't.

 

[PoolBoy]

If Amare or Shaq are NOT traded, will that mean anything to the anti-Sarver crowd? If we don't trade anyone for financial relief, then Sarver is actually paying 4 million dollars more than what he could have done.

I'm not saying he's not full of crap, but that's got to mean something to people who think he only cares about the bottom line.

not at all. because he will probably trade shaq or someone.

 

[pokerface]

If Amare or Shaq are NOT traded, will that mean anything to the anti-Sarver crowd? If we don't trade anyone for financial relief, then Sarver is actually paying 4 million dollars more than what he could have done.

I'm not saying he's not full of crap, but that's got to mean something to people who think he only cares about the bottom line.

That will not convince them of anything. If $75M in payroll with HOF and allstar players on it doesnt convince them nothing else will.


Nice try though.

 

[Blackification]

What happens next depends on which way the wind is blowing in Sarver's world. Executives who have spoken with the Suns say they have basketball trades and financial ones on the chalkboard, and are waiting for Sarver to choose the direction. Given that the Bulls have emerged as the favorite to land Stoudemire, financial deals appear to be winning the debate.

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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11386350

Yea right.. this isn't over. I don't buy that ESPN article, he claimed to have a source who knew how the front office thinks and then speculated about it. Not believing it until I see it.
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[AceP]

Let's face it: nobody coaches the uptempo game like D'antoni. Gentry may be the best thing we've got left, but he's not Mike. He can say "well let's do what we did when mike was here", but the adjustments and coaching that go on outside of that aren't going to be the same. mike is the master of that style, Gentry can only try to mock him. Sadly, i think this might make the team even more of a mess. I sure hope it doesn't.

Can't agree more. This team has been trying to slow down and play defence for half a year. Now take a 180 degree turn back to DA system? WTF... Basketball wise, it doesn't even make the least sense. Under Gentry, can this team be any better than the one lost in first round last year?

 

[Blackification]

Suns are just delaying the inevitable.. amar'e is not going to resign here after what they just did to him and Sarver probably won't sign him for a max contract anyway so he will just pull another joe johnson. They will be forced to rebuild once that happens and then nash and shaq will be gone and they will be left with J-rich to build around.. might as well trade them now and get some young talent over here. But the thing is they aren't even doing that they are just doing it for the love of money.

 

[Chaplin]

not at all. because he will probably trade shaq or someone.

LOL

You did notice the first sentence of my post, right?

 

[Chaplin]

Let's face it: nobody coaches the uptempo game like D'antoni. Gentry may be the best thing we've got left, but he's not Mike. He can say "well let's do what we did when mike was here", but the adjustments and coaching that go on outside of that aren't going to be the same. mike is the master of that style, Gentry can only try to mock him. Sadly, i think this might make the team even more of a mess. I sure hope it doesn't.

Nobody expects Gentry to coach the team like D'Antoni, but let's face it: D'Antoni didn't win jack here in Phoenix. His teams were a fun regular season spectacle, but I was sick of getting close and not winning. Not to say this is any better (right now it isn't), but I'll never agree with all you people putting the man on a pedestal. For all the stuff you guys say about him, I'm surprised you aren't pushing for a statue of the man in front of the arena.

 

[mojorizen7]

Let's face it: nobody coaches the uptempo game like D'antoni. Gentry may be the best thing we've got left, but he's not Mike. He can say "well let's do what we did when mike was here", but the adjustments and coaching that go on outside of that aren't going to be the same. mike is the master of that style, Gentry can only try to mock him. Sadly, i think this might make the team even more of a mess. I sure hope it doesn't.

Yep.

 

[lou_skywalker]

They might end up trading Shaq to Dallas instead in order to save money.
J-Ho is another energy guy but I am afraid we would have too many swingmen fighting for minutes and stuff.

 

[AceP]

They might end up trading Shaq to Dallas instead in order to save money.
J-Ho is another energy guy but I am afraid we would have too many swingmen fighting for minutes and stuff.

The news from Dallas said they will ask us to add Barnes in such a deal, Barnes was also mentioned in one of the most recent rumors.

Meanwhile, I'm not sure Amare would like to play C again, so there is a possibility they'll ask Dallas for Dampier.

 

[lou_skywalker]

The news from Dallas said they will ask us to add Barnes in such a deal, Barnes was also mentioned in one of the most recent rumors.

Meanwhile, I'm not sure Amare would like to play C again, so there is a possibility they'll ask Dallas for Dampier.

yeah i think that's what I heared: Damp+ J-Ho+filler
shipping Barnes away would be nice as well.
for the filler, how about JJ Barea or a draft pick?

 

[cly2tw]

whatever style they play, play Nash and Shaq under 30 min and figure out how to bridge the gaps when either of them sits.

 

[cly2tw]

Can't agree more. This team has been trying to slow down and play defence for half a year. Now take a 180 degree turn back to DA system? WTF... Basketball wise, it doesn't even make the least sense. Under Gentry, can this team be any better than the one lost in first round last year?

No!

 

[dodie53]

asking Dallas for Barea would be too much imo.

 

[PoolBoy]

LOL

You did notice the first sentence of my post, right?

that doesn't change anything about my post. get over yourself.

 

[Bufalay]

that doesn't change anything about my post. get over yourself.

So you're saying if Sarver doesn't trade Shaq that you won't be impressed because he will probably trade Shaq?

 

[PoolBoy]

So you're saying if Sarver doesn't trade Shaq that you won't be impressed because he will probably trade Shaq?

no, im saying its not necessary to argue this because sarver will find a way to save his money. do you really think sarver is a good owner? give me a break.

 

[Mainstreet]

Nobody expects Gentry to coach the team like D'Antoni, but let's face it: D'Antoni didn't win jack here in Phoenix. His teams were a fun regular season spectacle, but I was sick of getting close and not winning. Not to say this is any better (right now it isn't), but I'll never agree with all you people putting the man on a pedestal. For all the stuff you guys say about him, I'm surprised you aren't pushing for a statue of the man in front of the arena.

One can't win a race unless they're close. You deny the coach that even put the team in position to smell the roses. Also you fail to factor the Suns may have been just a mediocre team without DA. I guess two WCFs appearances in only four full seasons doesn't mean much to you.

Well I hope you enjoy life without DA.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Not when the weaknesses of your system are predicted before the finals even begins. The team flat out didn't practice defense. Hell, NY players said the first time he even mentioned defense this season was 2 days before the first Suns-Knicks game.

There's a difference between not having good defense and not trying to have good defense.

 

[the_future23]

Not when the weaknesses of your system are predicted before the finals even begins. The team flat out didn't practice defense. Hell, NY players said the first time he even mentioned defense this season was 2 days before the first Suns-Knicks game.

There's a difference between not having good defense and not trying to have good defense.

I highly doubt that statement is true. A link would be nice, because otherwise that is complete BS.

 

[Mainstreet]

Not when the weaknesses of your system are predicted before the finals even begins. The team flat out didn't practice defense. Hell, NY players said the first time he even mentioned defense this season was 2 days before the first Suns-Knicks game.

There's a difference between not having good defense and not trying to have good defense.

I like good defense but one has to have the right players to do it well. The Suns tried to play defense when Raja first arrived and I liked it a lot especially when combined with a running style. However, he was never the same defensively after the Kobe incident. The crux of the problem was the Suns traded or did not extend players that tried to play defense like Joe Johnson, KT, James Jones and even Marion. So if the Suns roster lacked defensive players, one needs to play to the team's strength... offense. I'm just saying a team has to have the right players to be a defensive force. The Suns need to get some players in the future that can do both.

The saying, "the best defense is a good offense" came from somewhere. It rings true if a team does not have the right players to play consistent defense. I do think the Suns can play brief stretches of good defense. Here's hoping Gentry can slide in a few defensive stops along the way especially during critical parts of the game.