Amare out - Need for another big man
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The better question is where do we pitch the white flag???????
Chaplin
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Why would Sacramento trade Brian Skinner to the Suns? That makes no sense.
fordronken
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There have to be some better options out there. Plus, I don't really see the Clippers just giving up Wilcox for a pick. I know it's the Clippers, but still...
the kings have a lot of depth at the 4 spot
probably starting: shareef
primary backup. kenny thomas
another backup: Corliss Williamson
another backup: Brian Skinner
This is why they let Darius Songalia walk to chicago.
I was of course, looking at the Knicks for this too, but their PFs are OVERPRICED
probably starting: shareef
primary backup. kenny thomas
another backup: Corliss Williamson
another backup: Brian Skinner
This is why they let Darius Songalia walk to chicago.
I was of course, looking at the Knicks for this too, but their PFs are OVERPRICED
Chaplin
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King A said:
There is one main reason why Sacramento won't trade with us--we're in the SAME DIVISION.
elindholm
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There is one main reason why Sacramento won't trade with us--we're in the SAME DIVISION.
That "taboo" is overstated. Every team in the conference plays every other team the same number of times (three or four), and playoff seeds are done by conference, so the division breakdowns are mainly cosmetic.
The Kings may have plenty of other reasons not to trade with Phoenix, but the fact they are "division rivals" doesn't really enter into it.
That "taboo" is overstated. Every team in the conference plays every other team the same number of times (three or four), and playoff seeds are done by conference, so the division breakdowns are mainly cosmetic.
The Kings may have plenty of other reasons not to trade with Phoenix, but the fact they are "division rivals" doesn't really enter into it.
thegrahamcrackr
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I am all for exploring a Wilcox trade
Chaplin
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elindholm said:
So the Maloofs check out the internet and go, "Score! Amare is out for half the season! Now, let's trade them Brian Skinner!" Don't underestimate teams' desire to win their division. Especially when the division powerhouse loses their best player in a weak frontcourt.
thegrahamcrackr
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elindholm said:
But the winner of the division is guaranteed a top 3 playoff spot. If the kings gave us a legit big man, they would hurt their chances of winning the division.
Chaz
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We weren't deep at the 4/5 before Amare was out.
They will need to add someone but I don't know who yet.
I don't think there is a huge rush. If a team starts slow they may be more willing to trade a good player. I don't think this changes any of the plan except maybe it possibility makes a trade happen sooner than it might have.
Basically we shouldn't panic and look for a way to get more depth in the front court just like we would anyway.
If the Suns start real slow then the situation gets a little more desperate but for now we have to be confident that the guys that were brought in can get the job done.
I voted to rotate the current players, for now.
They will need to add someone but I don't know who yet.
I don't think there is a huge rush. If a team starts slow they may be more willing to trade a good player. I don't think this changes any of the plan except maybe it possibility makes a trade happen sooner than it might have.
Basically we shouldn't panic and look for a way to get more depth in the front court just like we would anyway.
If the Suns start real slow then the situation gets a little more desperate but for now we have to be confident that the guys that were brought in can get the job done.
I voted to rotate the current players, for now.
elindholm
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But the winner of the division is guaranteed a top 3 playoff spot. If the kings gave us a legit big man, they would hurt their chances of winning the division.
BFD. Winning the division gives you one extra home-court game in the first round of the playoffs, that's it. It's mainly for the fans.
I agree that Sacramento won't be going out of their way to help the Suns; I just disagree on the reasons.
BFD. Winning the division gives you one extra home-court game in the first round of the playoffs, that's it. It's mainly for the fans.
I agree that Sacramento won't be going out of their way to help the Suns; I just disagree on the reasons.
elindholm
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By the way, the Brian Skinner trade in the poll doesn't come close to working under the cap.
Look at the bright side, now Marion can be The Man and he won't have to complain about being in Stoudemire's shadow.
Look at the bright side, now Marion can be The Man and he won't have to complain about being in Stoudemire's shadow.
if i was a GM and i get a trade offer, i would primarly look at the positives for MY team. And if the trade partner is a division rival it wouldn't be a big deal.
Brian Skinner is not like Shaq who you of course would like to see in the other conference
Brian Skinner is not like Shaq who you of course would like to see in the other conference
thegrahamcrackr
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elindholm said:
It can be a BFD. You are right, it only gives you 1 more home game in the first round.
Of course, it would be a lot better to be the number 3 seed facing the number 6 seed (GS, LA, Seattle et. )at home
than
facing the number 3 or 4 seed on the road (Dallas, Houston, Phoenix ect. ect.)
The kings aren't going to get out of the second round, at most, but getting there is a big difference in judging the success of a season
jbeecham
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maybe we could trade for Jared Jeffries 
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I'm so depressed by this news that I'm willing to risk my lurker status just to chime in. If we can find an athletic big man I'm all for making a deal but unless there's an option overseas I think that's highly unlikely. I'd rather stay with what we have than bring in the Luc Longley equivalent of a Power Forward.
BTW, unless they've changed it again this offseason, winning the division doesn't even guarantee an extra home game anymore. As of last year, home court advantage in all playoff matchups is determined solely by record. Winning your division only determines your opponent.
Steve
BTW, unless they've changed it again this offseason, winning the division doesn't even guarantee an extra home game anymore. As of last year, home court advantage in all playoff matchups is determined solely by record. Winning your division only determines your opponent.
Steve
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AzStevenCal said:
Welcome. You are right about the playoff matchups.
The best option for us getting a big man is Chris Wilcox. He is athletic, quick, strong. He played very well in Brand's absense last season.
He is widely known to be available because he doesn't get much time and they don't want to pay for him this summer. Even if he is just a 1 year filler (his game doesn't mesh real well with Amare, and he could get expensive) I think it is worth the worst of the Atlanta picks to use him this season.
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I watch a lot of college ball and really thought Wilcox was going to be a very good player at the next level but he's been real hit and miss with the Clippers. He did show some promise when he played for an injured Brand but there have been a few warning signs about the guy also, mostly "head" related.
As long as Jerry is even remotely connected to the Suns, I can't see Sarver doing anything that flies in the face of Jerry's stance on character issues. Didn't Wilcox have some off the court trouble recently? I think it was relatively minor (a dropped DUI charge or something like that) but it doesn't take much to lose the Colangelo seal of approval.
Steve
As long as Jerry is even remotely connected to the Suns, I can't see Sarver doing anything that flies in the face of Jerry's stance on character issues. Didn't Wilcox have some off the court trouble recently? I think it was relatively minor (a dropped DUI charge or something like that) but it doesn't take much to lose the Colangelo seal of approval.
Steve
Can I change my vote.
thegrahamcrackr
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Wilcox crossed state lines with a gun. He had a license for it, just not in the state he was in. The charges were dropped. Jerry's moral issues probably wouldn't keep a deal from happening.
I actually wanted Wilcox in the draft, and think he would have been pretty good for us given the amount of PT. Not as good as Amare obviously, but good enough that I wouldn't regret the pick.
I actually wanted Wilcox in the draft, and think he would have been pretty good for us given the amount of PT. Not as good as Amare obviously, but good enough that I wouldn't regret the pick.
King A said:
I live in King Land and watched pretty much all of Skinners games with the Kings and he is their Back up C not PF. He started Center for them a few games last year, I do not see them giving him up, with Ostertag gone
Whats up with Tyson Chandler is he still on the market and what would it take to land him??
