An Offer To Rework Fitz's Deal - Darren Urban
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Fantastic news. I like how he makes no bones about how good there offer is and doesnt say it would put him in the WR elite but the "NFL elite"
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However, concerned about Pace testing FA...
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“His cap number will have an affect with how we proceed in free agency,” Graves said, allowing that without a new deal, the Cards not only will be hamstrung with new players but also re-signing their own free agents.
You know what? Bull*@#(! Even if Fitz doesn't get an extension, we have enough for our own guys and still enough left over for a few quality FAs. If we do extend Fitz, we have all that, and enough left over for some top-tier FAs. Graves, don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining...do not give me this sorry song. I'm not as dumb as you seem to be! Ugh!
On the other hand, I'm thrilled we came strong with an offer to Fitz. I hope we can get that one done soon.
You know what? Bull*@#(! Even if Fitz doesn't get an extension, we have enough for our own guys and still enough left over for a few quality FAs. If we do extend Fitz, we have all that, and enough left over for some top-tier FAs. Graves, don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining...do not give me this sorry song. I'm not as dumb as you seem to be! Ugh!
On the other hand, I'm thrilled we came strong with an offer to Fitz. I hope we can get that one done soon.
Your overeacting sout. He said it will affect it. He didnt say it would stop it. Big difference and he is right.
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He's probably reacting more to the "hamstrung" part of the quote. But, that's not a direct quote. It's possible that it's Urban's interpretation I guess.
So you think Graves should tell Fitz, "Don't worry. Even if we don't extend your contract, we have more than enough money for the rest of the guys." ?
Sorry, but I don't agree with that. I'd do the same thing Graves is doing. Tell him he will hurt the team if he doesn't accept this very generous offer. Smart business and it always helps to have public opinion on your side.
So you have no problem with lying to one of the team's key players and your fans in order to save a few bucks?
EDIT: I have to add that for that tactic to work Fitzgerald and his agent would have be dumb and dumber. If we here on ASFN know its BS you KNOW that those two know what the real situation is.
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Remember: The Cards don't negotiate through the media. 
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I would've like to hear Fitz's side of the story and what he thinks of the offer. It also sounds like Pace will be a goner. I think once a guy hits the open market they're usually gone. I think he's very replacable though.
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nice get it done and lets sign dansby soon also
How is that lying? It will effect the FA situation if you have to shell out a few additional million to one player. The extent of how much it effects it is the question.
We don't know what the Cards plans are for FA or the draft and they might have a place for every penny of the CAP. Paying Fitz an additional 3 or 4 million could put a serious crimp in those plans.
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Graves said:
something to not miss from this article too. Eventhough both have already been previously reported
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Like the seemingly going hard and heavy with the good faith negotiations with Fitz and not starting on the low end.
Dissapointed they seem to be working on just that only though. They seem fine with spending a few more mill then they would have to with a long term deal to Dansby by giving him the franchise tag. Hopefully they plan on negotiating hard with him all the way up to July 15th before the cut off.
Dont like the fact they seem all but ready to let Pace walk. Dont like that one bit. He is gone without question. Berry better be healthy and OLB/DE becomes a 1st round need. Dont like being cornered into a pick in the first round.
Dissapointed they seem to be working on just that only though. They seem fine with spending a few more mill then they would have to with a long term deal to Dansby by giving him the franchise tag. Hopefully they plan on negotiating hard with him all the way up to July 15th before the cut off.
Dont like the fact they seem all but ready to let Pace walk. Dont like that one bit. He is gone without question. Berry better be healthy and OLB/DE becomes a 1st round need. Dont like being cornered into a pick in the first round.
yeah, we may have okeafor, dansby and hayes at LB but thats pretty much where the train stops, letting pace walk is a huge mistake and will really prove our depth sucks when berry tears a muscle in training camp.
Because its not true that Fitzgerald's contract will hurt the team. As Stout and Joeshmo* have said the Cards have plenty of cap space to handle Fitzgerald's contract either extended or left as is.
To me your post indicated that you would tell Fitz that just to gain an edge in negotiations. I just don't like that kind of business practice and as I said Fitzgerald and his agent would have to be really dumb to buy it as I'm sure they are well aware of the Cards cap situation.
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We need to keep Pace. We suffered thru 4 years of ineptitude with him and now that we have a staff that enabled him to find his niche and make a solid contribution to this team we are going to let him walk?
We're told how important continuity,depth and competion is to our club. Well guess what? Letting him walk away affects all 3 of those criteria.
It would just be plain stupid.
We're told how important continuity,depth and competion is to our club. Well guess what? Letting him walk away affects all 3 of those criteria.
It would just be plain stupid.
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I dont really get why you are so upset. Fitz's renegotions will have a big effect on what we do in FA. There is a possibilty of a multi-million dollar swing in what we may have available and what we may not.
No starting player in an already thin position on a team with numerous needs is easily replaceable. Pace played very well IMO last year and considering his past, he will come cheaper than many lower-caliber players at his position. Good SS 3-4LBs are not a dime a dozen.
How hard is it , Mr. Graves?
It's as easy as 1-2-3.
Tag Dansby so as to give us time to work out a long term deal.
Rework Fitz's contract, which you seem to be doing.
At least make a decent and fair offer to Calvin Pace. Maybe, just maybe he really would like to be a Cardinal and accept your offer. It makes no sense that his status should be affected by the situation with Fitz or Dansby.
For God's sake, take the lead for once.
It's as easy as 1-2-3.
Tag Dansby so as to give us time to work out a long term deal.
Rework Fitz's contract, which you seem to be doing.
At least make a decent and fair offer to Calvin Pace. Maybe, just maybe he really would like to be a Cardinal and accept your offer. It makes no sense that his status should be affected by the situation with Fitz or Dansby.
For God's sake, take the lead for once.
I know Stout has been preaching that, but I don't recall Joe saying that. He's been saying the Cards should have enough money to go after FA's, but he never said they had unlimited resources as Stout would have us believe and the only reason we are in good shape this year is because of the way Graves structured the contracts in 2007.
It takes two to tango. If I was Pace's agent, I wouldn't let him accept a contract from the Cards until he had at least tested the FA market.
On the other hand the Cardinals should make him a decent offer prior to FA. Of course his agent will reject it. However, then Pace will, perhaps, be less inclined to accept the first good offer that some other team throws at him!
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“His cap number will have an affect with how we proceed in free agency,” Graves said, allowing that without a new deal, the Cards not only will be hamstrung with new players but also re-signing their own free agents.
Okay, too many people to reply to individually, so rather than clog up the board with a ton of responses, I'll put 'em all here.
ShaneH:
Your overeacting sout. He said it will affect it. He didnt say it would stop it. Big difference and he is right.
Cardsfanmd:
I dont really get why you are so upset. Fitz's renegotions will have a big effect on what we do in FA. There is a possibilty of a multi-million dollar swing in what we may have available and what we may not.
First, to Shane and Cardsfan, I'll ask you to read the quote again. The first part is accurate. Of course if we don't extend Fitz's contract, it'll affect free agency. The second part, while not quoted, is directly attributed to Graves by the author. It says that not only will it effectively kill our ability to sign FAs, but it will cut sooooo deep that we'll have a problem re-signing our own guys. That is an outright lie. We won't have as much cap space if we don't extend Fitz, but we'll still have plenty.
40yearfan:
I know Stout has been preaching that, but I don't recall Joe saying that. He's been saying the Cards should have enough money to go after FA's, but he never said they had unlimited resources as Stout would have us believe and the only reason we are in good shape this year is because of the way Graves structured the contracts in 2007.
Not true on two counts, 40. First, I do not proclaim we have unlimited resources. If we extend Fitz, we still have a huge chunk of money, yes. If we do not extend him, we still have a pretty bit of money to play with. Not unlimited, but significant. Joe, do you have the numbers?
Also, if Graves would have structured the contracts differently in 2007, we would have still been in great shape. Contrary to what some might believe, normal contracts last offseason would not have put us in cap hell this offseason. Would we have had less money to play with? I don't know--I'll throw that to Joe. Would we still have plenty of money under the cap? Yes.
Now, those are the responses I needed to get out there. I have to say, though, that I missed the part about us not resigning Pace. For real? Our team has already written him off? Foolhardy, if true.
Okay, too many people to reply to individually, so rather than clog up the board with a ton of responses, I'll put 'em all here.
ShaneH:
Your overeacting sout. He said it will affect it. He didnt say it would stop it. Big difference and he is right.
Cardsfanmd:
I dont really get why you are so upset. Fitz's renegotions will have a big effect on what we do in FA. There is a possibilty of a multi-million dollar swing in what we may have available and what we may not.
First, to Shane and Cardsfan, I'll ask you to read the quote again. The first part is accurate. Of course if we don't extend Fitz's contract, it'll affect free agency. The second part, while not quoted, is directly attributed to Graves by the author. It says that not only will it effectively kill our ability to sign FAs, but it will cut sooooo deep that we'll have a problem re-signing our own guys. That is an outright lie. We won't have as much cap space if we don't extend Fitz, but we'll still have plenty.
40yearfan:
I know Stout has been preaching that, but I don't recall Joe saying that. He's been saying the Cards should have enough money to go after FA's, but he never said they had unlimited resources as Stout would have us believe and the only reason we are in good shape this year is because of the way Graves structured the contracts in 2007.
Not true on two counts, 40. First, I do not proclaim we have unlimited resources. If we extend Fitz, we still have a huge chunk of money, yes. If we do not extend him, we still have a pretty bit of money to play with. Not unlimited, but significant. Joe, do you have the numbers?
Also, if Graves would have structured the contracts differently in 2007, we would have still been in great shape. Contrary to what some might believe, normal contracts last offseason would not have put us in cap hell this offseason. Would we have had less money to play with? I don't know--I'll throw that to Joe. Would we still have plenty of money under the cap? Yes.
Now, those are the responses I needed to get out there. I have to say, though, that I missed the part about us not resigning Pace. For real? Our team has already written him off? Foolhardy, if true.
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I see what you are saying now.
