Analyzing the 2011 Cardinals Draft:

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With the looming presence of possibly not having a CBA in place by the March 3rd deadline, and its consequenses of not having Free-Agency or Trade options, I will attempt to take a look a what the Cardinals will be faced with for the upcoming Draft. Since, (at least for now), it appears that there will be no free-agent or trade scenario, then I feel that drafting for need will be a necessary consideration for the Cardinals. I really don't look for the season to be lost, but I seriously doubt the ability of the Owners and the Players to successfully negotiate a new CBA before the March 3rd deadline, therefore the Draft would be the only way to improve our team. I will first look at a draft preference that is best for the Cardinals, (not just with the first pick), but for the entire draft.

In this probable scenario of No Free Agency and No Trades, it is a given that John Slelton would be the starting QB for the Cardinals. Both he and Max Hall would be well ahead of any QB coming out of college this year, (at least to begin with), therefore I feel that Skelton would start, and that Hall would be his backup. The Cardinals still need to take a QB in this draft. After reading Draft Winds, ('A Thorough Breakdown of Cam Newton'), posted by Top Gun, I am convinced that Cam Newton is the absolute best QB in the 2011 college draft. Taking Newton would seem to be a slam dunk for the Cardinals, provided he is on the board at the #5 pick, but in my opinion, by doing so the Cards could be weakening their intire overall draft potential. Let me explain.

Quarterback is not the only desperate need for the Cardinals in this draft. Rush-Linebacker has long been a terrible weak spot on this team, and Cornerbacks to a lesser extent. By taking a really good Rush-Linebacker, the Cards could not only improve their ability to get to the opposing QB, but could actually help their Cornerback corps at the same time, by not forcing them to cover for such a long period of time. Ther fact that there are three really good Rush-Linebackers available, Miller, Quinn, and Houston, only enhances this as a possibility for the Big Red. While Miller seems to be the choice of most draft prognosticators, I have serious reservations with his ability to hold up against the bigger, stronger, and faster athletes that he will be facing at the pro-level. He has never faced that combination of speed, strength, and size before. Thus, my choice would be for Quinn or Houston over Miller as a Rush-Linebacker because of their greater size, speed, strength combinations. Of those two, Quinn would be my choice at the #5 slot. But what would happen to the QB slot if we were to take Quinn at the #5 slot?

Fortunately for the Cardinals, there is still a decent possibility of taking a really good QB at the top of the second round. Although he came from a small program compared to Newton, Colin Kaepernick possesses the sme type attributes that Newton does. He has the samd type of strong arm and the big hands with which to achieve the really tight spiral that Newton delivers. He thusly has the ability to hang onto the ball when being tackled, (he only fumbled 12 times in three years despite dropping back to pass or running more than 2000 times combined). He makes all the throws, (with touch), and can play from under the center as well as from the shot-gun. He is big, 6-7, 225, and very fast and quick, (he runs a 4.5 forty). He has great escapability from within the pocket, and the ability to run, (he carried the ball more than 700 times for 24 TD's.) While scrambling, he keeps his eyes downfield, looking for an open receiver. He has accumulated 61 passing touchdowns to go along with his rushing TD's. He has a 148.3 career passer rating, and has proven to be able to handle the offense in cold, wind, and snow. His ability to read defenses is maybe the best ability he possesses. That, (coupled with his ability to keep his eyes downfield while on the move), separates him from someone like Blaine Gabbert, who can do neither at this point in his career. I am not in the least concerned that he came from a small program, (Nevada), as he also had to work with lesser talent than some of the QB's from big programs.

That said, my choice for the Cardinals would be to take Robert Quinn, OLB, 6-5, 268, N. Carolina, with the first pick, #5 overall in the 2011 draft. I would follow that up by taking Colin Kaepernick, QB, 6-7 225, Nevada, with my second pick, #38 in the draft. This allows us to get both a really good rush-linebacker, and a really good QB with our first two picks.

There would possibly be a negative for doing this however, and that would be leaving Cam Newton on the board for the Niners to take at the #7 slot if we were to pass on him with our first pick. This would be inconsequential if Newton were taken either by Carolina or Buffalo, each of whom are looking for QB's in this draft. Passing on Newton, should he remain on the board would require some very serious thought by the staff of the Cardinals, as we would end up facing him twice a year more, than likely, by doing so. I still feel that we could ultimately have an overall stronger draft by taking Quinn and Kaepernick with our first two picks.

Questions will arise about passing on Patrick Peterson, who some project as the best athlete in the draft. Mike Mayock, (whom I have tremendous respect for as a player analyst), has had reviews both for and against Peterson this off-season. His latest is that Peterson is somewhat stiff in the hips, and may not project well as a Cornerback in the pros. This is usually a death knell for cornerbacks, (and is precisely why Antrel Rolle did not make it as a Cornerback with the Cardinals). Projecting as a safety certainly decreases the value of a player like Peterson, and coupled with the fact that we have already helped our cornerback corps, I feel that passing on Peterson is not cause for concern.

For my third round selection, I choose Jerrell Powe, NT, 6-1, 331, Ole Miss. Through much adversity, Powe has gotten himself on track to graduate at Ole Miss, despite having to go to several different schools in order to gain academic eligibility. While he is not a renowned pass-rusher, ( his moves are pretty much limited to a bull rush at this time), he is VERY stout against the run at the point of attack due to his low center of gravity and his very strong lower body. He does chase sideline to sideline, but tires easily, much like Dan Williams. Paired with Williams, these two will make a very formidable tandem of NT's who keep each other fresh. Because of our difficulty in stopping the run, I feel that NT is the next greatest point of need on this team, and these two would solve that problem for years to come.

In round #4, my selection would be Colin McCarthy, ILB, 6-1, 235, Miami. He is the consumate wrap-up ILB who plays a text-book, (hit, lift, drive), style of tackle football. He also has the ability to make big hits, and supplied some of the heaviest hits in the Senior Bowl, both on defense, and on special teams. While he is just OK against the pass, he is a prime run-stopper. who has the athleticism to break down and tackle the elusive backs in space, yet is not afraid to take on the bigger backs straight up. Additionally, on one play in the Senior Bowl, he displayed a gear that almost no one knew that he even possessed, when he chased down a Nebraska running back and beat him to the side-line to make the tackle. With Daryl Washington and Paris Lenon starting at the ILB slots, he would make the ideal compliment to them, learning by coming off the bench in spot situations.

For round #5, I would select Rashard Carmichael, CB, 6-0, 225, Va. Tech. Carmichael is a very speedy and agile CB who just keeps working and working. While I don't necessarily feel that he would be an upgrade to our current starters, DRC and Toler, I do feel that he would be and excellent compliment to them, and a hedge against injury to one of them. I do feel that he might replace Michael Adams as a nickel back. His addition would be a solid pick-up at this point in the draft, and would add stability and depth to what has been an inconsistant CB tandem.

In the 6th round I would take John Clay, RB, 6-0, 248, Wisconsin. Clay ranks third in Wisconsin history with a 5.43 yards per carry average accumulated over 3000 yards of running at the Big 10 School. He has 18 (100+ yard games), 10 of which came in succession during a stint lasting from late 2009 thru early 2010. He scored a career 41 TD's running the ball at Wisconsin. I selected running back here, because last year, Larod Stevens-Howling proved to be too light to handle the running back slot when forced to work in tandem with Hightower or Wells. It became very clear that he was not capable of pounding the ball with any regularity when forced to do so, and his ability to perform his duties as a special teams gunner and kick returner suffered each time he was forced to do so. Clay's size, strength, and ability to pound the ball over and over will strengthen our running back tandem.

In the seventh round I would take Derek Hall, OT, 6-5, 305, Stanford.
The Cardinals badly need to address this position on the O-line, especially in light of 2012 being Levi Browns contract year, and the year he is also due a substantial pay raise. While Hall lacks the size and the athleticism that wows the draftnicks, he was very instrumental in protecting Andrew Luck during the 2010 season. Luck was the second least-sacked QB in college last year, and most of that was due to his offensive line. Hall is an already proven commodity in a conference where he played against top competition.

It should be pointed out that I totally passed on taking a TE, another feature that has been absent from the Cardinals offense the last several years. I did this, (not because it was my choice), but because it is apparently the choice of Coach Whizenhunt to do so. Thus far, he has never made the TE a priority in his offense, nor has he made it even a real consideration, seeming to be content to merely plug in bodies at that slot. Because he seldom uses the TE, (either in blocking or passing schemes), I chose not to address this position in this draft of needs. That is apparently not a position of need for Coach Whizenhunt, and I chose not to use a valuable pick on a position that will not likely be utilized by the head coach.

As earlier stated, this scenario is just for a No Free Agency and No Trade period in event that the two sides fail to pass a new CBA on time. That wold mean that the only players we could add to our roster are the ones we resign, and the ones who we would add through the draft. Drafting for need will be necessary as it is the only way to fix holes that exist in our roster. I feel that this is the very best possible OVERALL draft that I could assemble. Those were my considerations for these choices.
 

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We do not have a 7th rounder this year. We traded Wells to Philadelphia and have there pick thru TB.
 

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This is along the lines of what Id like to see the first 2 rounds. Newton you have to worry about the off the field issues and only 1 yr played; for such a high pick maybe too much of a gamble. Gabbert, though solid potential, 5 maybe a bit high, and yards per attempt not as good this year. Kaepernick made nice improvement over 4 yrs especially in completion % up to 64% and a lot of mobility; seems like he offers a lot of value for where we can get him. As for round 7, I think someone named Derek Hall will give us too many bad memories from last year:)
 

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I don't see this an improvement to our team, just more question marks. If you want to draft instant improvement you have to draft players who will do what they did in college for your team. For example, you don't use a 2nd round pick on a QB that has major accuracy issues in an offense that will depend on accuracy from the QB position. You take a less talented and more polished QB later in the draft who has demonstrated that he can be accurate if nothing else.

It is also not a great idea to draft a "rush linebacker" who has never been a rush linebacker in his entire football career.

My point isn't that you have selected bad players, it is that they just aren't players that would be able to contribute right away because we would be asking them to do something different than what they did in college.
 

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Decent draft. I'd switch out the Nevada QB with a guy who is likely to contribute immediately and call it a day.
 

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The best idea for drafting before free agency (although with free agency expected) is that you take players at positions where there won't be a glut of talent once free agency happens. Will there be starting-caliber WRs and OGs available in free agency? Yes--there always are. Will there be starting-caliber QBs and rush linebackers available in free agency? No. We can talk about Alex Smith and Marc Bulger, but there are more teams looking for starting QBs than there are starting QBs available on the open market.

I have no idea why we're investing another draft pick in a running back when we don't use the backs we have. LSH doesn't need more than 5-8 offensive touches a game.

Colin Kaepernick is being supremely overrated. He's a fourth-round talent at best.
 
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I don't see this an improvement to our team, just more question marks. If you want to draft instant improvement you have to draft players who will do what they did in college for your team. For example, you don't use a 2nd round pick on a QB that has major accuracy issues in an offense that will depend on accuracy from the QB position. You take a less talented and more polished QB later in the draft who has demonstrated that he can be accurate if nothing else.

It is also not a great idea to draft a "rush linebacker" who has never been a rush linebacker in his entire football career.

My point isn't that you have selected bad players, it is that they just aren't players that would be able to contribute right away because we would be asking them to do something different than what they did in college.

What accuracy problems? He has a 64% accuracy rating and a 148.3 QB passer rating. By the way, there are NO Quarterbacks coming out of college who are ready to contribute right away.
 
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Decent draft. I'd switch out the Nevada QB with a guy who is likely to contribute immediately and call it a day.

There are NO quarterbacks coming out of college who are ready to contribute today. In fact there are almost NO players period who are ready to contribute today. Quinn is one who is most likely to fill that bill.
 

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I don't see this an improvement to our team, just more question marks. If you want to draft instant improvement you have to draft players who will do what they did in college for your team. For example, you don't use a 2nd round pick on a QB that has major accuracy issues in an offense that will depend on accuracy from the QB position. You take a less talented and more polished QB later in the draft who has demonstrated that he can be accurate if nothing else.

It is also not a great idea to draft a "rush linebacker" who has never been a rush linebacker in his entire football career.

My point isn't that you have selected bad players, it is that they just aren't players that would be able to contribute right away because we would be asking them to do something different than what they did in college.

The chances of any player we draft making a contribution to anything other than special teams their rookie year are very slim.
 

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The best idea for drafting before free agency (although with free agency expected) is that you take players at positions where there won't be a glut of talent once free agency happens. Will there be starting-caliber WRs and OGs available in free agency? Yes--there always are.

I agree, in theory. In practice, the Cardinals generally target a small group of FAs, get spurned by most of them, and end up with a few scraps that no one else wanted. Free agency is brutal for the Cardinals every year. We can't base our draft on it, because we can't count on getting anyone we want. There may be 20 good OGs and only 1 good OLB, and we might end up with the OLB and no OL.

Face it, we're going to have at least one or two serious holes on the team next year no matter what happens in FA and the draft. We aren't going to be elite at QB next year unless Skelton progresses at an unprecedented rate, and that's not gonna happen. Orton, Kolb, Bulger, etc. aren't going to be enough to give us the feeling Warner did. Especially not right away. It's going to take time for any new QB to fit in here.

I say draft players that we know help us in 2011 and onward and then build your FA plan around what's left. We'll have more money to spend than just about any team. If ownership isn't willing to overpay for a few guys to upgrade the team next year, then we aren't going to do well in FA anyways.
 

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In the 6th round I would take John Clay, RB, 6-0, 248, Wisconsin. Clay ranks third in Wisconsin history with a 5.43 yards per carry average accumulated over 3000 yards of running at the Big 10 School. He has 18 (100+ yard games), 10 of which came in succession during a stint lasting from late 2009 thru early 2010. He scored a career 41 TD's running the ball at Wisconsin. I selected running back here, because last year, Larod Stevens-Howling proved to be too light to handle the running back slot when forced to work in tandem with Hightower or Wells. It became very clear that he was not capable of pounding the ball with any regularity when forced to do so, and his ability to perform his duties as a special teams gunner and kick returner suffered each time he was forced to do so. Clay's size, strength, and ability to pound the ball over and over will strengthen our running back tandem.

I really like John Clay for pretty much the reasons you have outlined above and think he is one of the more underrated RB's in this class. I love his no-nonsense gritty runs and he just seems to to take tacklers on which out RB's especially Beanie seem to fear of late. Furthermore i think he is a good complement to the type of RB we already have and therefore i would love this pick in the #6 round though i can see it him lasting beyond the #4 round at the latest.
 
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There are NO quarterbacks coming out of college who are ready to contribute today. In fact there are almost NO players period who are ready to contribute today. Quinn is one who is most likely to fill that bill.

What bill would a guy who didn't play in 2010 fill?
 

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There are NO quarterbacks coming out of college who are ready to contribute today. In fact there are almost NO players period who are ready to contribute today. Quinn is one who is most likely to fill that bill.

I agree fish about the QB's not being ready...but many players are & many will. The D is loaded with guys who may start from day 1. Quinn is a question mark because of a year lost to suspension & 3-4 OLB's are often at 2-4 year transition. Love the kid as a player but I'm also worried about his bout with cancer as a high schooler too. If I remember correctly it was in his brain.
 
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I agree fish about the QB's not being ready...but many players are & many will. The D is loaded with guys who may start from day 1. Quinn is a question mark because of a year lost to suspension & 3-4 OLB's are often at 2-4 year transition. Love the kid as a player but I'm also worried about his bout with cancer as a high schooler too. If I remember correctly it was in his brain.

While I had read about him having a tumor removed from his head during High School, I never heard the word 'cancer' mentioned with it Bucky. I wasn't aware of that-----and I hope that is not the case. I don't worry about Quinn losing a year because guys have come into the league having never played college ball, and played defense immediately. While I know that this particular defense will be much more mental than what we were playing, I still believe that most players, (on or near), the defensive line will be able to initially get by on their speed, size and athleticism. His primary job will be to rush the passer, which he already excells at. His secondary job will be to set the edge against the run, again leaning on his size and strength.
 

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While I had read about him having a tumor removed from his head during High School, I never heard the word 'cancer' mentioned with it Bucky. I wasn't aware of that-----and I hope that is not the case. I don't worry about Quinn losing a year because guys have come into the league having never played college ball, and played defense immediately. While I know that this particular defense will be much more mental than what we were playing, I still believe that most players, (on or near), the defensive line will be able to initially get by on their speed, size and athleticism. His primary job will be to rush the passer, which he already excells at. His secondary job will be to set the edge against the run, again leaning on his size and strength.

You're right it was a tumor. But it has to be concerning
 

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You think Clay will last till the 6th round, wow!?

I know he's not real fast, but dude can play.

Wisconsin should have used him more in the bowl game!
 

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Colin Kaepernick is being supremely overrated. He's a fourth-round talent at best.
I agree with this 100%. I am not a fan of his and don't understand why he has somehow gotten talked about at the top of round 2. Think about it, is there any way this guy is a top 40 player in this draft? QB's like Locker, Mallett, and Ponder could easily be there at 38.
 

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The chances of any player we draft making a contribution to anything other than special teams their rookie year are very slim.

...and very few of the guys that he has us drafting are special teams players.

As far as very few players contributing, that is a rule because most players who come from college are asked to do something different in the pros than what the did in college. This delays their effectiveness because they have to transition.

How both Jacoby Ford and Aaron Hernandez where used last year shows how this can work with later round picks. Jacoby Ford was asked to run deep routes and make an impact in the return game in his rookie year which is what he did well in college. The Raiders could have sat him until he polished his route running but they stuck to what he excelled at. Same with the Pats and Hernandez. Awful blocker, but instead of forcing him to become better at this immediately, they flexed him out to create mismatches.

So if you want a guy to sub at NT, Sione Fua is a better alternative than most because he will be able to come in and contribute because it is what he does. He knows how to be a NT, and isn't having to adjust to the position. You give up potential, but you can get some solid production from the later rounds this way.
 

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To me the best way to use Robert Quinn and to get the maximum benifit in his first year is to use him like the Giants used Lawrence Taylor. Let him roam and attack the LOS from everywhere. He would stay near the LOS his whole career if it were up to me. Who cares if he can cover anybody. He's really never been used that way. Why waste time making him sit for a year or two to maybe learn something that he may never be able to do. Turn the guy into a killer and let him attack. We know he knows how to do that.

If the Cards want a guy that will be able to rush the passer and cover then they need to draft Von Miller because he has the total package as an athletic linebacker.
 

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If the Cards want a guy that will be able to rush the passer and cover then they need to draft Von Miller because he has the total package as an athletic linebacker.

I agree with what you're saying...to a point. Miller is a liability in the run game & most everyone sees that, so Miller isn't the total package!!! Do we move Shoefield to the other side if Miller is drafted? Why not just draft Quinn or Houston & let Shoefield stay on the right side? Thats what I would do & it leaves us less vulnerable in the run game.
 

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To me the best way to use Robert Quinn and to get the maximum benifit in his first year is to use him like the Giants used Lawrence Taylor. Let him roam and attack the LOS from everywhere. He would stay near the LOS his whole career if it were up to me. Who cares if he can cover anybody. He's really never been used that way. Why waste time making him sit for a year or two to maybe learn something that he may never be able to do. Turn the guy into a killer and let him attack. We know he knows how to do that.

If the Cards want a guy that will be able to rush the passer and cover then they need to draft Von Miller because he has the total package as an athletic linebacker.

Good idea with Quinn but then wouldn't we have him doing the same thing as Wilson? I don't see how the team could afford to sacrifice that much in pass coverage.
 

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Good idea with Quinn but then wouldn't we have him doing the same thing as Wilson? I don't see how the team could afford to sacrifice that much in pass coverage.

Your right, but the difference is Quinn would be getting 10 or more sacks every year and punishing runningbacks with his 270 pound frame. As much as I like Wilson I don't think he will be here three years from now. I think Quinn would be a serious upgrade in both passrush and run defense over Wilson.
 

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Clay isn't as good as you are making him out to be. He falls down too easily for a guy of his size. He's slow as mud. His conditioning is so bad the Badgers were hesitant to run him 3 plays in a row. His stats are inflated because he ran behind the Badgers O-Line. He's had a bad attitude when it comes to rehabbing numerous knee and ankle injuries. He's just a mess. Stay away.
 
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