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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2917781

Garnett talks now include Suns' Stoudemire and third team

There was a growing sentiment around the league Tuesday night that the Kevin Garnett sweepstakes are nearing a conclusion and that the Phoenix Suns are the most likely winners, with two trade scenarios emerging that could potentially land Garnett in the desert by draft night.

With the Los Angeles Lakers' attempts to construct a multi-team deal or a direct trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves collapsing, ESPN's Jim Gray reports that talk of a potential three-team trade that would involve Minnesota, Boston and Phoenix has been rekindled, in which the primary cost to the Suns would be All-Star forward Shawn Marion to the Celtics.

Yet an even bigger trade concept, ESPN.com has learned, was hatched Tuesday by the Wolves, in which Phoenix would likely be asked to send the player it has been trying not to trade to the Atlanta Hawks: All-NBA center Amare Stoudemire.

Either way, NBA front-office sources say that Garnett being moved in conjunction with Thursday's draft looks more likely than ever before, with the Suns -- identified by ESPN.com last week as KG's first choice for a new home -- in prime position to make the big score.

In the scenario reported by Gray, Garnett would go to Phoenix, Boston would land Marion and the Wolves would receive a package featuring the No. 5 overall pick in Thursday's draft along with undisclosed players from Boston and Minnesota.

The key stumbling block for Boston would be Marion's reluctance to play for the Celtics, which sources say was conveyed to both teams last week when such a trade was first broached. With Marion possessing the right to opt out of his contract after next season and become a free agent in July 2008, Boston would undoubtedly be seeking assurances from Marion's camp that he's interested in signing an extension with the Celtics, even though league rules technically would preclude such negotiations until after July 1.

Another possible stumbling block: Minnesota, sources say, has been adamant that any trade with Boston would include Al Jefferson. The Celtics, in turn, are willing to part with Jefferson only if they're the team that gets Garnett. It remains to be seen if either side softens its stance in the final hours before the draft.

In the newer trade scenario, sources say, Minnesota is looking to acquire Atlanta's No. 3 and No. 11 picks in the draft along with several cap-friendly contracts from the Hawks and Suns. To participate, Atlanta wants Stoudemire from Phoenix.

Such a trade would hold significantly greater appeal to Minnesota than any Celtics' offer that didn't include Jefferson. The Hawks, meanwhile, would be able to reunite Stoudemire with ex-Suns teammate Joe Johnson and immediately possess a promising big-and-small core to build around given the current state of the Eastern Conference.

The Suns, though, are understandably reluctant to part with Stoudemire after the 24-year-old made the All-NBA first team in what appears to be the most successful comeback from microfracture knee surgery that the NBA has ever witnessed.

The Lakers, meanwhile, haven't abandoned all hope of partnering Garnett with the increasingly frustrated Kobe Bryant just yet. Another concept in circulation Tuesday raised the possibility of a multi-team trade in which the Indiana Pacers' Jermaine O'Neal went to Atlanta, with Lakers forward Lamar Odom and young center Andrew Bynum heading to the Pacers. That package, at worst, would send the No. 3 pick in the draft to Minnesota as the main payoff for Garnett.
 

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Why does one of the worst teams in the eastern conference think they have the balls to mess with one of the best teams in the west?

First we give them JJ, then they steal our pick back we got from them, now they want amare.


In related news, ESPN is plummeting in credibility. If amare didnt go to minnesota by now, why in the hell would we give him to ATLANTA?!?!?

Blows my mind they have the audacity to publish this BS

/rant off
 

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this just makes no sense whatsoever.
 

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If the Atlanta rumor is true we had better be getting more than just KG for Amare. At the very least the #7 should be headed our way, if not the #3.
 

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The four way in the last paragraph worries me, even though Billy Knight would be a damn fool to trade a 21 year stud low post player in horford for a 29 year old breaking down post player in o'neal. But then again Billy Knight is a damn fool so i'm worried.
 

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this just makes no sense whatsoever.

You think this is bad. I've got a hawks fan on another board trying to convince me they can get Amare + Barbosa for the 3, 11 picks and Shelden Williams(the 11 pick and KG would be all the Suns get).
 

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oh, actually the four way deal does work... crap... i think that's why we need to pull the trigger on the Charlotte deal if we can. If we can send 8 and 5 plus expiring (via Boston), I think that's a better deal than 3 and 11 IMO. But McHale make think otherwise, considering he's a raging moron.

i pray that this is posturing - as it's debatable that Atlanta would give up both of it's picks as they still desperately need a PG. I could see it going down though if we can't get that Bobcat pick. Call the bluff Kerr - don't bite and throw in Amare. If all we do is get that pick from the Cats, we're still in decent shape going forward.
 
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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/92272

Here comes Jerry Brown saying his sources are saying the 3 way is not as serious as Gray reports. Also says suns will have a tough time getting into 8.

Folks a whole hell of a lot will be different 2 days from now for the suns. Also we're gonna learn a lot about who in the media knows what they are talking about and who is an incompetent fool....I'm keeping the list in my head of who said what
 
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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/92272

Here comes Jerry Brown saying his sources are saying the 3 way is not as serious as Gray reports. Also says suns will have a tough time getting into 8.

i believe him - on Garnett, it's just too good to be true and even though I like the rumors for 8, I just don't see why Charlotte does that deal - they already have two picks in the draft so it's not like you can say "look, they're getting even more picks"- they can already get a stud and a later pick - seriously, what's the allure of having 21, 24, 29 and a pick that could be 15 next year when you already have 8 and 21 in a loaded draft, especially up top?
 

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i believe him - on Garnett, it's just too good to be true and even though I like the rumors for 8, I just don't see why Charlotte does that deal - they already have two picks in the draft so it's not like you can say "look, they're getting even more picks"- they can already get a stud and a later pick - seriously, what's the allure of having 21, 24, 29 and a pick that could be 15 next year when you already have 8 and 21 in a loaded draft, especially up top?

They do that deal because the basketball gods owe the phoenix suns damnit!
 

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I get the feeling I may not survive until draft night.
 

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They do that deal because the basketball gods owe the phoenix suns damnit!

dude, the basketball Gods HATE the Suns. That is the ONLY concrete thing I know right now. you want to see the greatest evidence of that? The freaking lottery - if we get Atl's pick, not only can we offer it as part of the package, but it ELIMINATES the team that potentially could screw us in the end, because ATL couldn't get involved in the deal without it.
 

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Amazing. I guess this makes perfect sense if you are a complete ******* reporter.

Minny gets both the hawks picks, Atlanta gets Amare. The suns now have a worthless atl 08 since amare is on that team, so they basically swapped amare and the ATL 08 for KG...

And that isn't even the biggest problem..

Since minnys outgoing is 21 freakin million, and suns are outgoing amares contract to atlanta....

1. HOW EXACTLY DOES MINNY GET 16 MILLION INCOMING
2. WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
3. HOW EXACTLY DO THE HAWKS (with a total team salary of 48 million) MANAGE TO GET 9 MILLION OUTGOING TO THE SUNS
4. AS WELL AS GIVING SOME PIECES TO MINNESOTA TO MEET THE 16 MILLION INCOMING BARRIER HERE!!!!

This trade is literally impossible, unless I missed something.

I mean how stupid can the media be..

*edit: So hopefully this instantly ENDS this RIDICULOUS rumor that some spawn of HADES came up with. There is no way KG to the suns, while Amare to atlanta, can meet the salary expectations without the teams completely blowing themselves and the entire universe up.
 
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If the Suns wouldn't give up Amare for KG, what possesses them to think this nonsense would fly?
 

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Amazing. I guess this makes perfect sense if you are a complete ******* reporter.

Minny gets both the hawks picks, Atlanta gets Amare. The suns now have a worthless atl 08 since amare is on that team, so they basically swapped amare and the ATL 08 for KG...

And that isn't even the biggest problem..

Since minnys outgoing is 21 freakin million, and suns are outgoing amares contract to atlanta....

1. HOW EXACTLY DOES MINNY GET 16 MILLION INCOMING
2. WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
3. HOW EXACTLY DO THE HAWKS (with a total team salary of 48 million) MANAGE TO GET 9 MILLION OUTGOING TO THE SUNS
4. AS WELL AS GIVING SOME PIECES TO MINNESOTA TO MEET THE 16 MILLION INCOMING BARRIER HERE!!!!

This trade is literally impossible, unless I missed something.

I mean how stupid can the media be..

Can't the hawks move out guys like marvin williams/pachulia to get the numbers right and direct that to minnesota.
 

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If the Suns wouldn't give up Amare for KG, what possesses them to think this nonsense would fly?

i don't think the Amare/ATL deal flies, but I'm worried about the Pacer/Minny/LA/ATL four way could.

what we really need now is for Jermaine O'Neal to say he'd opt-out next season with his player option and he'd never resign with ATL. that would kill that deal right quick, although that's doubtful. He's scheduled to make 21/year for the next four years - he ain't gonna recoup that on that open market with his age/history of injuries. Holy crap - his contract is GINORMOUS.
 

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1. HOW EXACTLY DOES MINNY GET 16 MILLION INCOMING
2. WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
3. HOW EXACTLY DO THE HAWKS (with a total team salary of 48 million) MANAGE TO GET 9 MILLION OUTGOING TO THE SUNS
4. AS WELL AS GIVING SOME PIECES TO MINNESOTA TO MEET THE 16 MILLION INCOMING BARRIER HERE!!!!

1.) Minny doesn't need to take 16 million incoming. The get a TE for the difference if they take back less salary.

Its actually pretty easy to make the trade work (you ignored the cap friendly contracts part)

Phx Sends

KT
Amare

Phx Gets

KG

Minny Sends

KG

Minny Gets

KT
Anthony Johnson
Lorenzon Wright
#11
#3

Atlanta Sends

Anthony Johnson
Lorenzon Wright
#11
#3

Atlanta Gets

Amare



(may not be perfect, but it is very close and easily altered to make it work)
 

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1.) Minny doesn't need to take 16 million incoming. The get a TE for the difference if they take back less salary.

Its actually pretty easy to make the trade work (you ignored the cap friendly contracts part)

Phx Sends

KT
Amare

Phx Gets

KG

Minny Sends

KG

Minny Gets

KT
Anthony Johnson
Lorenzon Wright
#11
#3

Atlanta Sends

Anthony Johnson
Lorenzon Wright
#11
#3

Atlanta Gets

Amare



(may not be perfect, but it is very close and easily altered to make it work)

I like it better when you don't comment on things I hope DON'T happen. :(
 

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1.) Minny doesn't need to take 16 million incoming. The get a TE for the difference if they take back less salary.

Its actually pretty easy to make the trade work (you ignored the cap friendly contracts part)

Phx Sends

KT
Amare

Phx Gets

KG

Minny Sends

KG

Minny Gets

KT
Anthony Johnson
Lorenzon Wright
#11
#3

Atlanta Sends

Anthony Johnson
Lorenzon Wright
#11
#3

Atlanta Gets

Amare



(may not be perfect, but it is very close and easily altered to make it work)

You forgot to add where steve kerr and mike d'antoni are run out of town.
 

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Theres no way atlanta steals their pick back and gets amare.

Kill this thread! grrrr
 

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If we wouldn't send Amare directly to Minnesota for KG, why would we send him to Atlanta?
 

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if history has taught me anything it's that just when the Suns seem right on the cusp of achieving the unachievable, SOMETHING freaking ruins it for us. It would just kill me if it was the freaking Lakers/Hawks.
 

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If we wouldn't send Amare directly to Minnesota for KG, why would we send him to Atlanta?

that deal doesn't scare me - i think it's complete crap put out there by McHale. What does scare me is the potential of the other four way deal with the Lakers instead of Suns. There you have a BUNCH of REALLY stupid GMs all dealing with each other, which for us, would be a disaster because they could pull off something REALLY STUPID - at least the Hawks could. Everyone else I think comes out of that deal smelling like roses.
 

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If Hawks get in, it's probly something like Amare and Banks for #3, #11, Josh Smith, Lue, L.Wright, and A. Johnson. We keep JS, get KG, and send KT and the rest to Minn.

I think Minn wants #3 for Horford more than anything else.

However, with Amare to Hawks, the deal for #8 won't go through since Hawks with Amare/JJ and the Williams plus Chidress will certainly make the playoffs next year, unless they implode with internal fight over touches.
 
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