And then there is Rod Graves

[az jam]

The board is full of threads criticizing Whiz on the problems with the team especially the qb situation. I do feel that Whiz made the key decision on Leinart and Anderson but lets not forget that Graves has the major role on personnel. He is in the General Manager and trades, free agents, drafts, contract extensions are all his responsibility. When Denny Green was fired, he was promoted and this year when Whiz had a contract extension so did Graves.

I'm not a Rod Graves fan and never have been. We have a problem now and he needs to share some of the blame. I feel that Rod is part of the problem. He is not proactive. The Vikings needed a WR and just got Randy Moss. The Seahawks were weak at RB and traded for Marshawn Lynch.

What is Rod Graves dong???

 

[Mulli]

The board is full of threads criticizing Whiz on the problems with the team especially the qb situation. I do feel that Whiz made the key decision on Leinart and Anderson but lets not forget that Graves has the major role on personnel. He is in the General Manager and trades, free agents, drafts, contract extensions are all his responsibility. When Denny Green was fired, he was promoted and this year when Whiz had a contract extension so did Graves.

I'm not a Rod Graves fan and never have been. We have a problem now and he needs to share some of the blame. I feel that Rod is part of the problem. He is not proactive. The Vikings needed a WR and just got Randy Moss. The Seahawks were weak at RB and traded for Marshawn Lynch.

The guy struggles to act in the off-season, I don't expect much once the games start.

 

[Russ Smith]

The board is full of threads criticizing Whiz on the problems with the team especially the qb situation. I do feel that Whiz made the key decision on Leinart and Anderson but lets not forget that Graves has the major role on personnel. He is in the General Manager and trades, free agents, drafts, contract extensions are all his responsibility. When Denny Green was fired, he was promoted and this year when Whiz had a contract extension so did Graves.

I'm not a Rod Graves fan and never have been. We have a problem now and he needs to share some of the blame. I feel that Rod is part of the problem. He is not proactive. The Vikings needed a WR and just got Randy Moss. The Seahawks were weak at RB and traded for Marshawn Lynch.

What is Rod Graves dong???

To be fair there is no equivalent to Moss or Lynch out there that's on the trading block at a position we need. We didn't need a RB, and we certainly weren't going to take on Moss at his age, especially with no proven QB to throw to him.

If the cards were going to make a deal it would be for a pass rusher, a LB or a QB, and nobody trades good players at those positions.

Lynch was available because of Spiller, MOss because NE wasn't going to sign him next year.

 

[kerouac9]

To be fair there is no equivalent to Moss or Lynch out there that's on the trading block at a position we need. We didn't need a RB, and we certainly weren't going to take on Moss at his age, especially with no proven QB to throw to him.

If the cards were going to make a deal it would be for a pass rusher, a LB or a QB, and nobody trades good players at those positions.

Lynch was available because of Spiller, MOss because NE wasn't going to sign him next year.

FWIW, especially at QB, we don't need good players, we only need adequate players.

I'm not really on Graves because we've already seen that Graves will cede personnel decisions to a strong head coach. The message out of Cards camp since Whis was extended was that he was going to have a stronger hand in personnel decisions.

He also has longer-term concerns that he should be working on. This season was going to be a coin-flip, anyway. I didn't expect it to be this bad, but in-season performance is on the HC. I don't really see a problem with personnel except under center, and I blame Whis for that.

Graves passed one test when Darnell Dockett was extended. His next test will be figuring out how to keep Deuce Lutui on the roster and figuring out what to do with Gabe Watson, Alan Branch, and Calais Campbell. Then it's on to Larry Fitzgerald.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

To be fair there is no equivalent to Moss or Lynch out there that's on the trading block at a position we need. We didn't need a RB, and we certainly weren't going to take on Moss at his age, especially with no proven QB to throw to him.

Anyone can be had for the right price.
That being said.. How great is New England at being proactive?
They get a great draft slot for a guy who already had his bags packed.. Meanwhile.. we let our stars walk away for nothing every year.

 

[speedy]

What is Rod Graves dong???

It does what its told...

 

[MrYeahBut]

figuring out how to keep Deuce Lutui on the roster and figuring out what to do with Gabe Watson, Alan Branch, and Calais Campbell. Then it's on to Larry Fitzgerald.

I would add Breaston to that list

 

[CaptTurbo]

figuring out what to do with Gabe Watson, Alan Branch, and Calais Campbell. .

Not sure what there is to figure out. None of these guys are living up to their current paychecks let alone a resigning.

 

[Catfish]

Not sure what there is to figure out. None of these guys are living up to their current paychecks let alone a resigning.

In Gave Watson's place-----how is he to live up to his paycheck when he is inactive for a guy that can't carry his own weight let alone command a double team???? Watson has only been given a few snaps at the NT position and those were AFTER all the damage had been done by DA.

Incidently, he is the ONLY defensive lineman to have pressured the opposing QB all year.

 

[Buckybird]

The board is full of threads criticizing Whiz on the problems with the team especially the qb situation. I do feel that Whiz made the key decision on Leinart and Anderson but lets not forget that Graves has the major role on personnel. He is in the General Manager and trades, free agents, drafts, contract extensions are all his responsibility. When Denny Green was fired, he was promoted and this year when Whiz had a contract extension so did Graves.

I'm not a Rod Graves fan and never have been. We have a problem now and he needs to share some of the blame. I feel that Rod is part of the problem. He is not proactive. The Vikings needed a WR and just got Randy Moss. The Seahawks were weak at RB and traded for Marshawn Lynch.

What is Rod Graves dong???

I said the same thing on a another thread yesterday. The human snail isn't getting a pass from me on any of this mess. I haven't like the guy in many years & the biggest reason IMO he was resigned because he is a Bidwill puppet.

 

[Buckybird]

Anyone can be had for the right price.
That being said.. How great is New England at being proactive?
They get a great draft slot for a guy who already had his bags packed.. Meanwhile.. we let our stars walk away for nothing every year.

Yep

And if this QB problem isn't resolved sometime next season Fitz will be the next to walk!!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What is Rod Graves dong???

a reproductive organ?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

To be fair there is no equivalent to Moss or Lynch out there that's on the trading block at a position we need.

hmm, not sure i agree there. isn't the pat's tackle and the chargers tackle holding out still? i'd say we have a need at tackle and both of those teams seem to be doing fine on their olines. so maybe we could entice one of them into a trade for one of the tackles.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

a reproductive organ?

im crying......

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Yep

And if this QB problem isn't resolved sometime next season Fitz will be the next to walk!!!

Probably to the Patriots...

 

[Russ Smith]

hmm, not sure i agree there. isn't the pat's tackle and the chargers tackle holding out still? i'd say we have a need at tackle and both of those teams seem to be doing fine on their olines. so maybe we could entice one of them into a trade for one of the tackles.

True we could get a guard like Mankins from NE or the T from SD but in both cases those guys are looking to be vastly overpaid. What would probably happen is you'd have to make them signing an extension a condition of the trade, and then you still take the chance of after the labor stuff is figured out and there's football again, that player is going to want even more money because they signed before they knew what the market is.

But I do think it would be very worthwhile for them to go after Marcus McNeil as a LT.

But teams don't trade good QB's unless they have 2 of them and right now very few if any teams have 2 QB's good enough to come in and play well on THIS team.

I would say though if the Cards went out and got McNeil and or Mankins I would be impressed. I just don't get the impression either team has any interest in trading the player they're assuming they'll eventually show up in time to get the year of service counted towards free agency so why deal them.

 

[kerouac9]

The Chargers' tackle (Marcus McNeill) is back with the team, but they said that he couldn't play for them for another two or three weeks; not sure why.

 

[az240zz]

I would trade Fitz at the end of the year. Look NE has 2 picks each in the 1st 4 rounds of the draft. That's how they stay good.

 

[Bobcat]

The board is full of threads criticizing Whiz on the problems with the team especially the qb situation. I do feel that Whiz made the key decision on Leinart and Anderson but lets not forget that Graves has the major role on personnel. He is in the General Manager and trades, free agents, drafts, contract extensions are all his responsibility. When Denny Green was fired, he was promoted and this year when Whiz had a contract extension so did Graves.

I'm not a Rod Graves fan and never have been. We have a problem now and he needs to share some of the blame. I feel that Rod is part of the problem. He is not proactive. The Vikings needed a WR and just got Randy Moss. The Seahawks were weak at RB and traded for Marshawn Lynch.

What is Rod Graves dong???

NOT A DARN THING​

 

[Russ Smith]

I would trade Fitz at the end of the year. Look NE has 2 picks each in the 1st 4 rounds of the draft. That's how they stay good.

Unless we got the pick to draft Andrew Luck I'd never trade Fitz. You do that you're telling everyone else on the team we are starting from scratch.

Fitz just turned 27 5 weeks ago, he's been around forever because he started out young.

People think Minnesota would give an arm and a leg to get him and maybe they would, but they aren't going to have a high enough pick(probably) to get us a great player. If you can get Sidney Rice and a #1 pick maybe you consider talking to them, I just don't think that would happen.

 

[sportznutt]

How does one go about signing a UFA GM (if there is such a thing)?

 

[Buckybird]

Unless we got the pick to draft Andrew Luck I'd never trade Fitz. You do that you're telling everyone else on the team we are starting from scratch.

Fitz just turned 27 5 weeks ago, he's been around forever because he started out young.

People think Minnesota would give an arm and a leg to get him and maybe they would, but they aren't going to have a high enough pick(probably) to get us a great player. If you can get Sidney Rice and a #1 pick maybe you consider talking to them, I just don't think that would happen.

I agree Russ, but unless the Cards solve their QB issues sometime during next season we're going to be in a situation where he can just walk. OMG I get so scared thinking this last offseason will play out again with another star player. We might have to deal the guy before the trade deadline just to get something & thats a bad scenario.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Graves brought in Joey Porter, Scud, and Alan Faneca, he's done for the year . And that's probably a good thing. He's the worst evaluator of talent I have seen.

 

[cardpa]

I would trade Fitz at the end of the year. Look NE has 2 picks each in the 1st 4 rounds of the draft. That's how they stay good.

Exactly and on top of that they know how to evaluate talent since many of their picks tend to stick with the team, not get cut without ever playing a down in the regular season (Brown 2nd, Davis, 3rd). How many teams do you think had 2nd and 3rd round picks that never played a down in the regular season?