Anger inside locker room

[JeffGollin]

Oh yea another un-named source from a board poster. Go figure.

Both of DD and Wilson problems stem from Horton not Whiz. So whats that say?

I respect seesred's credibility, but, as a matter of both principle and practicality I prefer to wait for at least 2 credible eye-witness sources to surface before accepting this or any other "I know a guy who knows a guy" stories as fact.

Does make sense, though, that players would be pissed off after losing 58 - 0 (it should hurt when you lose like that) and that some of that anger would be directed at the coaches.

Here's a novel idea - how about channeling some of that anger toward the Lions?

 

[seesred]

I never said Fitz was going to be traded? Hey I can only tell what I know. The locker room is a mess. Take it for what it's worth. I've never heard this before that everyone in that room appears to be angry at someone else. In past years players went out at this time doing local charity events. This year I've been told very little is going on.

Yes they are well paid, but they are still humans with emotions. Most do work hard. None like to be embarassed on the field of play week after week. Feel sorry for them, no, yet I do understand how they can feel the way they do.

We will fix this. We have before it's just going to take more than one off season.

GBR
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[CtCardinals78]

I spoke with a friend inside the organization. He told me the players are very angry at coaches and that there is a lot of displeasure. Nobody is willing to play for Whiz or Graves. This all stems from the DD and Wilson problems about play times and fines. But it goes much deeper than those two events.

This is a very sad turn of events. Whiz has the keys we should take them back. Offensive coaches all should go. We are going to lose some good players and have still another rebuild???????????

GBR
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I believe it. Thanks seesred.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I believe they're pissed or, should say - hope to f**k they are angry. But, I'll wait until after this Sunday before concluding that coaches and team leaders have lost control over this team.

 

[DoTheDew]

Oh yea another un-named source from a board poster. Go figure.

Where there's smoke, there's often fire.

I don't think there's any denying that at least last week, the players weren't playing for their coach.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Where there's smoke, there's often fire.

I don't think there's any denying that at least last week, the players weren't playing for their coach.

If so - then they were throwing Whiz, Horton and the special team's coach under the bus.

 

[JeffGollin]

If so - then they were throwing Whiz, Horton and the special team's coach under the bus.

A slightly different take: They weren't so much deliberately working against their coaches as they were desperately trying to make risky plays that weren't there in order to flip the game.

End results may have turned out to be El Coacho Bus-o, but I don't think there were many, if any, deliberate acts of defiance or lack of effort - just breakdowns in discipline due to freelancing.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

A slightly different take: They weren't so much deliberately working against their coaches as they were desperately trying to make risky plays that weren't there in order to flip the game.

End results may have turned out to be El Coacho Bus-o, but I don't think there were many, if any, deliberate acts of defiance or lack of effort - just breakdowns in discipline due to freelancing.

Agree... More desperation then defiance.

 

[THESMEL]

over the bus

Whiz was doing the same thing but had more wins, players and fans were happy! I know nobody in the organization and can promise you great players like Qm Dansby, and Rolle did not want to play for him. They left for less money after playing in a damned Super Bowl!

Q lobbied hard to get Edge to come here , promising he was not going to come here and die like our history suggests! and it is not what Whiz did- but how he did it! He is classless could care less about the players well being and has destroyed more careers than he has developed.

Pig Pen has done pretty well without him, Rooneys made a good choice. I would not be motivated to play for Whiz, Especially after he did not sign a single drafted Cardinal long term in the first 5 years- Low Balled Deuce, Alan Branch, Antonio Smith, and took every opurtunity to kick Leinart in the nuts!

I remember when he called the TD back at the red and white scrimmage and rubbed Leinarts nose in it like a dog that crapped in the house. Not once every oppurtunity- That is not how you develop a young QB taking over your team, We seen how he responds!

We have seen how Whiz responds to adversity too! Not manufactured adversity - straight up hard liquor NFL adversity- He's folded like a cheap suit. He has no plan- no system- I can't think of a single HC skill set he is good at? Loyalty and creative plays was his MO when he came here! Loyalty to the stupid Steelers maybe!

If so - then they were throwing Whiz, Horton and the special team's coach under the bus.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Whiz was doing the same thing but had more wins, players and fans were happy! I know nobody in the organization and can promise you great players like Qm Dansby, and Rolle did not want to play for him. They left for less money after playing in a damned Super Bowl!

Q lobbied hard to get Edge to come here , promising he was not going to come here and die like our history suggests! and it is not what Whiz did- but how he did it! He is classless could care less about the players well being and has destroyed more careers than he has developed.

Pig Pen has done pretty well without him, Rooneys made a good choice. I would not be motivated to play for Whiz, Especially after he did not sign a single drafted Cardinal long term in the first 5 years- Low Balled Deuce, Alan Branch, Antonio Smith, and took every opurtunity to kick Leinart in the nuts!

I remember when he called the TD back at the red and white scrimmage and rubbed Leinarts nose in it like a dog that crapped in the house. Not once every oppurtunity- That is not how you develop a young QB taking over your team, We seen how he responds!

We have seen how Whiz responds to adversity too! Not manufactured adversity - straight up hard liquor NFL adversity- He's folded like a cheap suit. He has no plan- no system- I can't think of a single HC skill set he is good at? Loyalty and creative plays was his MO when he came here! Loyalty to the stupid Steelers maybe!

Your facts are skewed, Los left for the same money but much lower taxes. Sothat equates to more $ in his pocket. Q left and recieved a extension, not more money. Rolle siged the biggest contract ever by a safey which = more money. Oh and Edge was a Deny guy, so any promises made to him didn't not come from this staff.

 

[Darkside]

A slightly different take: They weren't so much deliberately working against their coaches as they were desperately trying to make risky plays that weren't there in order to flip the game.

End results may have turned out to be El Coacho Bus-o, but I don't think there were many, if any, deliberate acts of defiance or lack of effort - just breakdowns in discipline due to freelancing.

This is exactly how I see it. I don't think they gave up, I just think they played riskier. Instead of wrapping up they went for strips, int's and big hits. They took bad angles because their technique suffered from trying to make big plays. Even the turnovers we've gotten, you can see them looking for the end zone because its virtually worthless giving the ball back to our offense, regardless of field position. And the worse and worse it got the more desperate they became trying to make something happen. That's my take on it.


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[THESMEL]

WE JUST PLAYED IN THE SUPER BOWL! Q was offered top 5 WR money before Fitz's 2nd contract - When we did not sign the big guns I thought we would secure 2nd tier drafted talent to keep a core of what made us successful for the first time since- like 1947-48! - But no- We need Faneca and Porter-

Please explain what other GM would allow- or- coach would want to sign no drafted players long term since Denny Signed, DD, R Wells and Hayes- before he left ?

Check the transition log- I'm not kidding- I think you'll find francisco signed for 2 years and then got cut-and that is the only multi year drafted Cardinal signed before Fitz - which was a no brainer! Thats is including SB- 09 playoff team-

Yea I like my chances to be paid and respected by these idiots! Whiz and Graves would eat their own offspring!

Your facts are skewed, Los left for the same money but much lower taxes. Sothat equates to more $ in his pocket. Q left and recieved a extension, not more money. Rolle siged the biggest contract ever by a safey which = more money. Oh and Edge was a Deny guy, so any promises made to him didn't not come from this staff.

 

[TRW]

This is exactly how I see it. I don't think they gave up, I just think they played riskier. Instead of wrapping up they went for strips, int's and big hits. They took bad angles because their technique suffered from trying to make big plays. Even the turnovers we've gotten, you can see them looking for the end zone because its virtually worthless giving the ball back to our offense, regardless of field position. And the worse and worse it got the more desperate they became trying to make something happen. That's my take on it.


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I think so too. The defense knew it wasn't going to score 6 TDs in the second half and hold them scoreless to win the game. Not only taking risks but some letting down in effort was inevitable.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I spoke with a friend inside the organization. He told me the players are very angry at coaches and that there is a lot of displeasure. Nobody is willing to play for Whiz or Graves. This all stems from the DD and Wilson problems about play times and fines. But it goes much deeper than those two events.

And?

Go back and ask your friend what it goes back to. (He told you something anyone could guess.) Though if he did he'd probably be out on his ear because I'm guessing there's a limited number of people who are in a position to know what the players are saying about this. And they probably wouldn't be happy an employee with that access is talking about stuff they'd rather have kept in the locker room. I'm not doubting you have a source. But, dang, I'd want to know the good stuff.

 

[Bodha]

Is your "Friend inside the organization" Darnell Dockett on the radio.

Or Mr. Common Sense, a mutual "friend".

 

[Reddog]

The $200k fine was an F U pound of flesh. A fine was needed but this was over the top. Does anyone have any examples of other infrations that led to a fine of that size?

 

[D-Dogg]

Leenart in the hot tub!!!

 

[Mulli]

Leenart in the hot tub!!!

You need to take this more seriously. :dcr:

 

[Rats]

I believe they're pissed or, should say - hope to f**k they are angry. But, I'll wait until after this Sunday before concluding that coaches and team leaders have lost control over this team.

No Offense, No Qb, 9game losing streak, epic 58-0 beatdown by a division foe and you Whiz apologist have to wait to see if the team has been lost by the coaches and team leaders? Or have to wait to get confirmation that Card Nation is broken beyond repair? I would not have belived it but you really are Crazy... I have to believe that the cat is so far out of the bag that Dead Man Walking applies to all of the coaches and half of the players. I don't need some last minute win in the last three games to tell me there is some control.

I do not want Whiz anywhere near a potential 1st round Qb. He is a fraud and he owns this debacle. Wake up

 

[D-Dogg]

You need to take this more seriously. :dcr:

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I take this ish SERIOUSLY, Mulli!

 

[WisconsinCard]

WE JUST PLAYED IN THE SUPER BOWL! Q was offered top 5 WR money before Fitz's 2nd contract - When we did not sign the big guns I thought we would secure 2nd tier drafted talent to keep a core of what made us successful for the first time since- like 1947-48! - But no- We need Faneca and Porter-

Please explain what other GM would allow- or- coach would want to sign no drafted players long term since Denny Signed, DD, R Wells and Hayes- before he left ?

Check the transition log- I'm not kidding- I think you'll find francisco signed for 2 years and then got cut-and that is the only multi year drafted Cardinal signed before Fitz - which was a no brainer! Thats is including SB- 09 playoff team-

Yea I like my chances to be paid and respected by these idiots! Whiz and Graves would eat their own offspring!

Can someone de-code this for me, send the bill to CBUS....Thanks

 

[Crazy Canuck]

No Offense, No Qb, 9game losing streak, epic 58-0 beatdown by a division foe and you Whiz apologist have to wait to see if the team has been lost by the coaches and team leaders? Or have to wait to get confirmation that Card Nation is broken beyond repair? I would not have belived it but you really are Crazy... I have to believe that the cat is so far out of the bag that Dead Man Walking applies to all of the coaches and half of the players. I don't need some last minute win in the last three games to tell me there is some control.

I do not want Whiz anywhere near a potential 1st round Qb. He is a fraud and he owns this debacle. Wake up

Believe what you will, but, I know the difference between a team that has turned on its coaches, and one that is totally frustrated. Been there. I'll have a better idea after Sunday's game. In your case, it"s of no concern as you've made up your mind.

 

[Chopper0080]

I spoke with a friend inside the organization. He told me the players are very angry at coaches and that there is a lot of displeasure. Nobody is willing to play for Whiz or Graves. This all stems from the DD and Wilson problems about play times and fines. But it goes much deeper than those two events.

This is a very sad turn of events. Whiz has the keys we should take them back. Offensive coaches all should go. We are going to lose some good players and have still another rebuild???????????

GBR
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I appreciate the information and understand that sources cease to become sources when you blurt out who they are. Considering this fact, I will take what you say at face value but with some skepticism as well.

 

[john h]

Another heart-breaking story from the poor misunderstood NFL millionaires. Cry me a river.

As far as players not willing to play for Whis, you are a well-paid professional. Suck it up and play for those of us who directly or indirectly are paying your salary. And stop throwing interceptions, fumbling punt returns, missing blocks and tackles, and dropping passes.

If you are playing for or working for someone you detest you will normally try your best to get out of the situation. Not by not doing your job but by other methods. It happens in all types of work on a regular basis. If you are a good player you want have any problem finding another job. If you are a marginal player or worker then you just have to suck it up and hope for the best.

 

[THESMEL]

decoded

The Cardinals signed no players drafted by the Cardinals to a long term deal under Whisenhunt- except Fitz in 2008 - none was signed 5 years after Whiz was hired.

None from the Super bowl or the 09 playoff teams earned anything more than a kick in the nuts - low ball offer. This is not how a GM or HC - maintain a winning team.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/transactions.html

10/13/2006Agree to five-year contract extension with DT Darnell Dockett

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03/11/2008The Arizona Cardinals Football Club today announced that the team has agreed to terms on a four-year contract with wide receiver LARRY FITZGERALD. The new deal will keep him under contract with Arizona through the 2011 season.

02/25/2010The Cardinals agree to contract extensions with Head Coach KEN WHISENHUNT and General Manager ROD GRAVES through the 2013 season. Whisenhunt's deal has a team option for 2014.

Can someone de-code this for me, send the bill to CBUS....Thanks