Another stupid/crazy Idea!

[Goldfield]

Ok I have been pushing for the Suns to grab Camby or Dampier in the offseason. I would much rather have Camby.


BUT, I had a new hairbrained idea!

What if we offered our two first round draft picks, Jacobson, & Little Jake for Chris Bosh...?

He is playing very solid for his age and has the frame to gain alot of weight and still be quick. He is a good shot blocker, and a good rebounder. He is very athletic and will be a good force in the middle with Amare... I would be thrilled if we could pull it off.

I dont see Toranto making this trade, but you never know!

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_bosh/index.html?nav=page

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

If I am Toronto I take that trade in a second.

2 firsts, and energy big guy who is still young (and improving) and a shooter who has gotton significantly better in his second year


for a player drafted #4 overall, showing some good signs over half a season??


The suns get screwed hard in this deal. Our pick will most likely be top 5, and who knows where the Knicks will fall. Then we loose 2 more prospects, for a player that plays the same position as Amare (he can barelty hold down center in the east, no way he could do it out here).

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr



The suns get screwed hard in this deal.

Holy crap. Big time!

This has got to be one of the most lopsided trade ideas I've ever seen. And on the net, that's a lot of crazy trades!

 

[elindholm]

It would depend on where the Suns' pick/s is/are. Bosh is hardly a disappointment, and certainly he seems worthy to this point of having been taken #4. Why would Toronto give up on their #4 overall pick, who is off to a pretty good start, in exchange for picks that aren't likely to yield players who are as good?

It may or may not be a good trade for Phoenix, but I think there's no way Toronto would do it unless they wanted to gamble that the Suns would win the lottery. And surely the Suns would insist on at least top-three protection, meaning that Toronto would have no incentive at all to do the deal.

 

[George O'Brien]

It is very hard to evaluate a deal like this without knowing exactly where the picks are going to be and who will be in the draft. Any deal where half of the deal is based on draft picks is too abstract to judge.

I like Bosh, but he is not heavy enough to be a real center and would be a backup to Amare. Four even competant players is a lot for a backup.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by elindholm
It would depend on where the Suns' pick/s is/are. Bosh is hardly a disappointment, and certainly he seems worthy to this point of having been taken #4. Why would Toronto give up on their #4 overall pick, who is off to a pretty good start, in exchange for picks that aren't likely to yield players who are as good?

It may or may not be a good trade for Phoenix, but I think there's no way Toronto would do it unless they wanted to gamble that the Suns would win the lottery. And surely the Suns would insist on at least top-three protection, meaning that Toronto would have no incentive at all to do the deal.

I agree although I'm not sure at this point we can say that the draft picks "aren't likely to yield players who are as good". We don't even know where those draft picks will fall exactly, who is actually coming out, and/or very much about each player other than Okafor. Still, if Chris Bosch had waited until this season to come out he would likely be one of the top two draft picks and certainly one of the top three.

Chris Bosch would be only a situational Center in the Western Conference, but he would complement Amare Stoudemire very well. He's a good, tall shot blocker with very good offensive skills and shooting range. He's also tall and long enough to probably be able to front most centers in the NBA effectively.

Take Jake Voskuhl out of the deal, and I think I would do it.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Joe Mama

Take Jake Voskuhl out of the deal, and I think I would do it.

Joe Mama

If it did not include one of the top two picks in the draft. Okafor would be a much better fit for the Suns.

 

[scudney]

Unless Toronto could get Howard with one of the draft picks, there is no way they would do it. They are very high on Bosh.

From a suns standpoint, i wouldn't do it either though. I don't think bosh would be strong enough to play C in the West

 

[Goldfield]

Sounds to me this trade idea isnt as lopsided as some may think...



Draft picks are unproven. Bosh has show alot of promise...


I only added Little Jake because I dont think Toranto would trade their center without getting a descent center in return.


I offer the picks & Jacobsen because this team doesnt need anymore rookies. We are young enough, we need to add veteran backups to our young core of players.

I think Jacobsen is the odd guy out when Milos joint the team next year. Milos, JJ, & Barbosa will be our 3 guard rotation IMO. I dont think there will be enough min's for anyone else.


Bosh is skinny now, because he is only 19. He looks alittle like Shaq did when he was new to the league. Long & lanky, MUCH room to add weight to his frame. They list Bosh as 6'10" but he looks taller, and plays taller aswell. I think he would be perfect for this team.

A lineup of:

Bosh, Lampe
Amare, Zarko/Lampe
Marion, Zarko
JJ, Barbosa
Vujanic, Barbosa

Then add the extra cap space we have to add in veteran help. This team would be very fun...

 

[Joe Mama]

I would much rather have Chris Bosch instead of Okafor. It's a lot easier to build strength than it is to get the players to grow a couple of inches. I really don't think Okafor can play center very well in the NBA.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaplin]

4 first round draft picks for Chris Bosh. And that isn't lopsided?

I almost have to get away from this board--as the IQ level has dropped to negative territory.

 

[Goldfield]

you seem to be the only one so down on the idea...


And really it would be 1 lottery pck, 2 middle-late picks, and a 2nd rounder. For a promising center.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by BEERZ

I think Jacobsen is the odd guy out when Milos joint the team next year. Milos, JJ, & Barbosa will be our 3 guard rotation IMO. I dont think there will be enough min's for anyone else.

Jacobsen is a lot taller than Vujanic and can play SF. He might be expendible, but hardly redundant.

Bosh is skinny now, because he is only 19. He looks alittle like Shaq did when he was new to the league. Long & lanky, MUCH room to add weight to his frame. They list Bosh as 6'10" but he looks taller, and plays taller aswell. I think he would be perfect for this team.

Shaq has not been at 210 pounds since he was in early HS. He was already overpowering in college, although a weak supporting cast kept them from going far in March.

Guys like Camby and Ratliff are not very heavy, but they are extremely "long" and make up for their size by blocking shots. I don't see Bosh as a shot blocker.

Don't get me wrong, I love to have him. But Lampe is 65 pounds heavier than Bosh.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by BEERZ
you seem to be the only one so down on the idea...


And really it would be 1 lottery pck, 2 middle-late picks, and a 2nd rounder. For a promising center.

I'm just the one who's not afraid to call out this ridiculous proposal.

Jake is worth more than a "2nd rounder".

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Chaplin
4 first round draft picks for Chris Bosh. And that isn't lopsided?

I almost have to get away from this board--as the IQ level has dropped to negative territory.

I think you need help with your math. That's two first-round draft picks this year. Casey Jacobsen, although he has played well at times, might not even be worth the money he is making. I wouldn't make the deal if Jake Voskuhl is included. I'm not sure I would do it if the Suns landed the #1 pick, but otherwise I think I would trade the two first-round picks and Casey Jacobsen for Chris Bosch.

That would save the team a little over $2 million for free agency this summer.

BTW Shaquille O'Neal weighed at least 285 lbs. when he came into the NBA. Chris Bosh is probably about 230 lbs. now.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
I think you need help with your math. That's two first-round draft picks this year. Casey Jacobsen, although he has played well at times, might not even be worth the money he is making. I wouldn't make the deal if Jake Voskuhl is included. I'm not sure I would do it if the Suns landed the #1 pick, but otherwise I think I would trade the two first-round picks and Casey Jacobsen for Chris Bosch.

That would save the team a little over $2 million for free agency this summer.

BTW Shaquille O'Neal weighed at least 285 lbs. when he came into the NBA. Chris Bosh is probably about 230 lbs. now.

Joe Mama

Regardless of what you think Casey is "worth", he was still a first round pick.

2 first round draft picks...

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
I'm not sure I would do it if the Suns landed the #1 pick, but otherwise I think I would trade the two first-round picks and Casey Jacobsen for Chris Bosch.

That would save the team a little over $2 million for free agency this summer.

Joe Mama

I agree. While I do not think Casey is wildly overpaid (he is still just a 2nd year player), his skills are moderately easy to replace. This puts the trade in the same situation as if they traded up for a higher draft pick.

The main attraction of Bosh is his outside shooting. If Dice really is healthy, he would be able to do the same kind of things without having to give up two picks.

 

[scudney]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Regardless of what you think Casey is "worth", he was still a first round pick.

2 first round draft picks...

Well then regardless of what Voskuhl is "worth", he was still a second round pick.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by scudney
Well then regardless of what Voskuhl is "worth", he was still a second round pick.

Good point.

But that still doesn't change the fact that it is extremely lopsided, even if you count Casey AND Jake as second round value.

 

[cardsunsfan]

how many first round draft pics pan out though? How many players in the past few drafts have shown as much promise as Bosch?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Chap I am with you on this one, actually you are with me because I attacked it first

How many first round draft picks pan out? I dont know, but how many SUNS first round draft picks do? How about all but 2 or 3 in the last 10 years (and those 2 or 3 were in the 25+ range).

Chris Bosh goes #4 based on a good March. We havent seen who else could be appearing on the radar yet. The fact of the matter is, they are getting most likely a top 5 pick, a 13-16 pick, Casey, and Jake.

As much as it pains me to say this, if Jake were to be redrafted in 2000 based on what teams know of him now, he would have been top 20 for sure (2000 was a weak draft, but still).

That is just SO much to give up for a player who has shown half a season of promise. I am sorry, but calling him a sure thing is ridiculous. Look at Caron Butler's year. He played much better than Bosh did last season, and sucks this year (so much the Heat are using him as bait). Yes he had surgery on his knee, but that healed months ago.


I like Bosh, a lot actually. I dont think he could play center here, at least not for a few more years assuming he hits the gym. There is no reason for me to believe we couldnt get an equal center prosepct from our pick this season (since Bosh is a PF, his value at center is much lower IMO).

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Good point.

But that still doesn't change the fact that it is extremely lopsided, even if you count Casey AND Jake as second round value.

Jake gets second round pay but is better than all but a small number of mid to late first rounders. I rag on him about his defense and his mental errors, but his stats are a lot better than most of the $4 - $5 million a year class centers (look at Eldon Campbell, Potapenko, Booth, Jerome James, and Foyle). His numbers compare OK with guys like Jason Collins who are in his price range.