Anthony Barr

[Buckybird]

Van Noy is going to be one of the real new wave OLBers that teams will covet more and more because he is like having a queen on the chessboard. He can run stride for stride with any TE in the league---which in itself, at his size, 6-3, 250, imho, makes him first round worthy. The fact that can also wreak some havoc on the edge makes him multi-dimensional and a DC's dream. In our division, the NFC West, he would be an ideal chess piece for the Cardinals because he can cover Vernon Davis and he has the edge speed and quickness to track down and/or spy on Wilson and Kaepernick.

Exactly Mitch.

I watched KVN play 3 games in 2012 & 6 in 2013 & his production in sacks dropped because he was used more in pass coverage this year than the year before in the games I watched. But against Texas, he was DOMINANT against the run & rushing the passer! I mean beastly!!!

He's a beast & I've had him on my radar all year right there with Barr & i told Cbus as much months ago. He's relentless in pursuit & IMO has more moves & desire to sack the QB than Barr IMO. He's an all around talent at OLB.

 

[Bodha]

I would take Van Noy over Barr......


yeah I said it.



Barrs appeal is his upside. He is so good as an OLB, despite being so raw, that evaluators drool thinking about how good he could become after some more time in the position. And its true, Barr is very very good. He was born to be an OLB.


but Van Noy is a finished product. There is no 'potential'. He is what he is. And that is a freakishly athletic and explosive pass rusher and shut down pass defender. A do-it all new age type of athlete much like Daryl Washington and PP. No Van Noy will not get you 20 sacks. But he will get you about 10-12 + some picks, FF's and the negation of the opposing teams TE every game. Guys an X factor who makes the entire D better as a whole. Hes the glue that ties the talented back end D of PP and Tyrann to the LB corps led by Dwash and then to the Oline. We have a top 5 D. You dont even need Clowneys or Barrs. You need that guy who sets the whole thing off to be all time good by mainly being a support to his all star teammates. Thats van noy.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I think Khalil Mack might be the best defensive player in the county even better than Barr or Clowney. Dee Ford from Aurburn is really fast off the edge so is Ryan Shazier from OSU those guys strike me more as one dimensional speed guys.Van Not isn't the pass rushing demon those guys are but he is more complete than Ford or Sahzier he never stops moving.the kid with the crazy name from GT is just a pure pass rusher reminds me of Aldon smith he just does one thing but he's damn good at it. Michael Sam is a good one as well .

Plenty of good OLB in this draft

Aldon Smith is 30 pounds heavier than Jerimiah Attoutchu. Kony Ealy is the

one that reminds me of Aldon Smith. He would be our Aldon Smith or

270 pound Tamba Hali. Ealy will be this years JPP, Chandler Jones etc.... Ziggy ANSAH

 

[Cardiac]

Good thread and discussion! I loathe giving up picks, especially future 1st rd picks. As I watch the #1 D completely destroy the #1 O in the Super Bowl I'm thinking keep adding to our incredible D. Broncos set all kinds of records on O this year and are getting BLOWN UP in the SB.

I've been pretty consistent with wanting an OLB pass rushing monster so I would love to get Barr. I would not agree with giving up picks to get him as Cbus suggested. I do have a question for Cbus, if your scouting friend loves Van Noy why not just take him instead of trading up for Barr?

The numerous posters who love Van Noy have more than sold me on picking him with our 1st rd pick.

 

[juza76]

Aldon Smith is 30 pounds heavier than Jerimiah Attoutchu. Kony Ealy is the

one that reminds me of Aldon Smith. He would be our Aldon Smith or

270 pound Tamba Hali. Ealy will be this years JPP, Chandler Jones etc.... Ziggy ANSAH

dont know..i saw some highlights of him..doesnt seem to have burst

 

[Duckjake]

Good thread and discussion! I loathe giving up picks, especially future 1st rd picks. As I watch the #1 D completely destroy the #1 O in the Super Bowl I'm thinking keep adding to our incredible D. Broncos set all kinds of records on O this year and are getting BLOWN UP in the SB.

I've been pretty consistent with wanting an OLB pass rushing monster so I would love to get Barr. I would not agree with giving up picks to get him as Cbus suggested. I do have a question for Cbus, if your scouting friend loves Van Noy why not just take him instead of trading up for Barr?

The numerous posters who love Van Noy have more than sold me on picking him with our 1st rd pick.

I'm with you. Trading down is better. More draft choices instead of fewer. Especially since Graves is gone and it appears that Keim actually knows what he's doing concerning the draft.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Good thread and discussion! I loathe giving up picks, especially future 1st rd picks. As I watch the #1 D completely destroy the #1 O in the Super Bowl I'm thinking keep adding to our incredible D. Broncos set all kinds of records on O this year and are getting BLOWN UP in the SB.

I've been pretty consistent with wanting an OLB pass rushing monster so I would love to get Barr. I would not agree with giving up picks to get him as Cbus suggested. I do have a question for Cbus, if your scouting friend loves Van Noy why not just take him instead of trading up for Barr?
The numerous posters who love Van Noy have more than sold me on picking him with our 1st rd pick.

Because Barr is better. Van Noy is a legit prospect but Barr is more of a difference maker. By that I mean Barr is a guy who, assuming both play to their potential, who will have to be accounted for on every play while Van Noy won't have to be.

I guess it depends on preference. I think pressure on the QB is the number one thing a defense can do to shut down an offense and Barr would bring that element. Barr would be like adding a DeMarcus Ware/Von Miller type player while Van Noy would be more like adding a Bobby Wagner type player. Both are good options but there is a premium on pass rushers. That's why Miller and Ware were high first round picks and Wagner was a 2nd rounder.

 

[Cardiac]

Because Barr is better. Van Noy is a legit prospect but Barr is more of a difference maker. By that I mean Barr is a guy who, assuming both play to their potential, who will have to be accounted for on every play while Van Noy won't have to be.

I guess it depends on preference. I think pressure on the QB is the number one thing a defense can do to shut down an offense and Barr would bring that element. Barr would be like adding a DeMarcus Ware/Von Miller type player while Van Noy would be more like adding a Bobby Wagner type player. Both are good options but there is a premium on pass rushers. That's why Miller and Ware were high first round picks and Wagner was a 2nd rounder.

Gotcha. So if Barr is a 10 as a pass rusher Van Noy is a 7?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Gotcha. So if Barr is a 10 as a pass rusher Van Noy is a 7?

That's fair. I know Barr was asked to drop more in coverage this year but I'm not sure how well he performed in that aspect. But, I think he definitely has the athletic ability to drop in coverage if asked. Van Noy has already shown he can do it. I think they will both be good in the run game. Nothing against Van Noy but Barr is just bigger, faster, and a better overall athlete.

However, I think there's a much better chance of Van Noy being on the Cards than Barr.

 

[WildBB]

That's fair. I know Barr was asked to drop more in coverage this year but I'm not sure how well he performed in that aspect. But, I think he definitely has the athletic ability to drop in coverage if asked. Van Noy has already shown he can do it. I think they will both be good in the run game. Nothing against Van Noy but Barr is just bigger, faster, and a better overall athlete.

However, I think there's a much better chance of Van Noy being on the Cards than Barr.

What if Shaughnessey is resigned to a good deal?

 

[Russ Smith]

Exactly Mitch.

I watched KVN play 3 games in 2012 & 6 in 2013 & his production in sacks dropped because he was used more in pass coverage this year than the year before in the games I watched. But against Texas, he was DOMINANT against the run & rushing the passer! I mean beastly!!!

He's a beast & I've had him on my radar all year right there with Barr & i told Cbus as much months ago. He's relentless in pursuit & IMO has more moves & desire to sack the QB than Barr IMO. He's an all around talent at OLB.

The thing people miss with Barr is he played defense 2 years.

Who's the best CB in the NFL right now, Richard Sherman, why was he so underrated coming out of stanford, because he was a WR until his junior year.

Yes there are other pass rushers who have more moves than Anthony Barr, they've also spent MUCH more time practicing those moves than him because he was trying to play RB for 2 years in college and 4 years in HS.

Athletically he's right there with them, certain things he has you just can't coach. Mora knows a thing or two about defensive players and the NFL and he says without question Barr has the best burst to the QB of anybody he's ever coached. They run drills where you have to run around and then drop the shoulder and dive into the pocket. I forget what they call the drill but Mora said he's never seen anybody who can do it as well as Barr does, said it was uncanny how fast he picked it up.

He's going to improve more, and probably faster, than other guys in the same class because he started the whole thing later.

But admittedly I'm biased, I'm the one that after his 3rd game last year posted I thought he was looking like a potential first rounder, it just jumped off the screen they can't block him and he has no idea what he's doing yet.

 

[pacman]

There is no way he falls to us. But if he does.......I'll pray to the opposing QBs our defense faces. Seriously..... Barr in our scheme, with all of the talent we already have would be lethal.

 

[pacman]

Gotcha. So if Barr is a 10 as a pass rusher Van Noy is a 7?

This is a very accurate statement. Barr will rush the passer on every play in the NFL. That's it and that's all he needs to do. Van Noy can do it all: cover the TE, cover the flats, watch the qb on a spy, get after the running back and he is very good at rushing the QB but he's not nearly as explosive as Barr. That's fine but that's where Barr sets himself apart from Van Noy. Van Noy would be the perfect pick for the Cardinals in round 2. I would absolutely love that pick.

 

[Buckybird]

The thing people miss with Barr is he played defense 2 years.

Who's the best CB in the NFL right now, Richard Sherman, why was he so underrated coming out of stanford, because he was a WR until his junior year.

Yes there are other pass rushers who have more moves than Anthony Barr, they've also spent MUCH more time practicing those moves than him because he was trying to play RB for 2 years in college and 4 years in HS.

Athletically he's right there with them, certain things he has you just can't coach. Mora knows a thing or two about defensive players and the NFL and he says without question Barr has the best burst to the QB of anybody he's ever coached. They run drills where you have to run around and then drop the shoulder and dive into the pocket. I forget what they call the drill but Mora said he's never seen anybody who can do it as well as Barr does, said it was uncanny how fast he picked it up.

He's going to improve more, and probably faster, than other guys in the same class because he started the whole thing later.

But admittedly I'm biased, I'm the one that after his 3rd game last year posted I thought he was looking like a potential first rounder, it just jumped off the screen they can't block him and he has no idea what he's doing yet.

Russ, you & Cbus might be damn spot on with Barr. I like his talents, he's basically a pure rusher. But with that said, if the Cards want him I truely believe they are gonna have to trade up into the top 5-6 to get him. That's the only reason I've been focusing in on Van Noy. And yes, they are 2 differant kinds of players.

 

[pacman]

Russ, you & Cbus might be damn spot on with Barr. I like his talents, he's basically a pure rusher. But with that said, if the Cards want him I truely believe they are gonna have to trade up into the top 5-6 to get him. That's the only reason I've been focusing in on Van Noy. And yes, they are 2 differant kinds of players.

There will be no need to trade all the way up that far. I know it's only February but Barr has been losing stock. I don't think he'll be a top 5 pick maybe not even top 10. If he is projected to go in the top 10, there's no need to try and trade up for him. It'd cost an arm and a leg to get up that far and the Cardinals can't afford to make a move like that. The only way I see them getting is if his falls big time in the draft and all the way to the Cardinals at 20. Other than that I'd be shocked if we traded up for any player in the draft let alone Barr. Trading back seems more likely.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ, you & Cbus might be damn spot on with Barr. I like his talents, he's basically a pure rusher. But with that said, if the Cards want him I truely believe they are gonna have to trade up into the top 5-6 to get him. That's the only reason I've been focusing in on Van Noy. And yes, they are 2 differant kinds of players.

How do you know he's a pure rusher? He was his first year on defense but last year he dropped into coverage quite regularly and did very well at it.

he's so new to defense it's impossible to say what he'll be in the NFL. I expect him to be a very good pass rusher he's just a natural, but he has all the athletic ability to do everything else too. He has a tendency to go for knockout hits(hey to Matt Barkley) over wrapping up but that's coachable. he wasn't really used as a run stopper LB at UCLA, pass rusher or in coverage. He's going to get better, when I first posted about him last season even the few people that agreed he looked pretty good all said yeah but wait now that everyone has a book on him it'll get harder, it didn't it actually got easier for him.

This year very few teams played UCLA straight up, they doubled Barr they rolled the pocket away from him chipped with a RB or TE etc. the ones that didn't all paid for it.

You put him on our defense in this system he'd be terrific, maybe not right away he's going to have a learning curve in the NFL too, but scary putting a pass rusher like him in a system like ours.

 

[Cardiac]

What if Shaughnessey is resigned to a good deal?

IIRC Shaughnessy really was used more at DE before Acho, Alexander and Okafor all went down in weak 3. So yes, re-sign Shaughnessy and draft Van Noy and let Bowles go all mad scientist using all these pieces.

This is a very accurate statement. Barr will rush the passer on every play in the NFL. That's it and that's all he needs to do. Van Noy can do it all: cover the TE, cover the flats, watch the qb on a spy, get after the running back and he is very good at rushing the QB but he's not nearly as explosive as Barr. That's fine but that's where Barr sets himself apart from Van Noy. Van Noy would be the perfect pick for the Cardinals in round 2. I would absolutely love that pick.

I would love if he lasts until our pick in rd 2 but at this early stage don't see that happening.

With DD and CC providing decent pass rush pressure & old Abe showing he still has very good skills and Acho showing he doesn't suck at it and DWash proving he is a very good A gap blitzer and if Los is re-signed has shown he blitzes effectively then adding Van Noy may be enough.

 

[LDL]

Boy howdy would I like us to draft him, but aside from making some Faustonian deal what is the probability of it happening. IOW not likely...

 

[vinnymac]

I am not a big fan of trading draft picks. The Cardinals seem to hit on their first round picks and rounds 4-7 of late. I believe the Cardinals can get the players needed in this year draft right where they are.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

There is no way he falls to us. But if he does.......I'll pray to the opposing QBs our defense faces. Seriously..... Barr in our scheme, with all of the talent we already have would be lethal.

I was thinking last night what if Clowney goes to the Rams and Barr falls

to the Cards? The Niners could grab Hageman to replace Justin Smith.

Three more stud defenders in the NFC West. Todd Mcshay said last night on

ESPN that Barr looks like a mid first rounder on tape. Can you see Jerry Reece

passing on Barr? I bet Horton will push for him in Tenn.

 

[Finito]

I think Barr goes high no way he makes it to 20. Last year Jarvis Jones and Alex Okafor had more production than any other pass rushers but both slipped and guys like Ziggy Ansah, Dion Jordan and B Mingo all went high based on what they might become. Barr is the type of athlete that is going to blow people away at the combine.

I'm happy with Van Noy or Shazier in round 2