Any Update on Marquese Chriss Injury?

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While I understand your position on this I just don't see SL as all that important in the grand scheme of things. If he believes that what he has done up to this point (get bigger and stronger) will help him more in the real games than staying conditioned would have than I think it was the right call. Ultimately we will have to wait and see what the results are because if he is improved in the regular season and his strength/size has a lot to do with it than how can we criticize that?
It's part of his job to play in summer league and come to play in shape. Again it shows very poorly on him. Obviously if he produces when it counts who cares, but at present this is all we have to go on. Any else is 100% speculation.
 

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It's part of his job to play in summer league and come to play in shape. Again it shows very poorly on him. Obviously if he produces when it counts who cares, but at present this is all we have to go on. Any else is 100% speculation.
The regular season is 1000x more important than SL and thus he should be using his offseason to prep specifically for the next regular season. Stopping his bulking phase early in order to get into game shape for SL IMO is a waste of time. Sure it makes him look bad to some of the fans that were expecting big things from him, but that is a small price to pay if it actually helps him when the real games come around. You are right that his showing in SL is all we have to go off of, but we also shouldn't be taking away too much from what happened in 5 games of disorganized SL basketball when he wasn't fully in shape either.
 

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The regular season is 1000x more important than SL and thus he should be using his offseason to prep specifically for the next regular season. Stopping his bulking phase early in order to get into game shape for SL IMO is a waste of time. Sure it makes him look bad to some of the fans that were expecting big things from him, but that is a small price to pay if it actually helps him when the real games come around. You are right that his showing in SL is all we have to go off of, but we also shouldn't be taking away too much from what happened in 5 games of disorganized SL basketball when he wasn't fully in shape either.
Cmon man. "Bulking phase?!?" You say that like it's a professional step that the team and trainers prescribed for him. No team or trainer ever told a professional athlete to get out of shape as "training" or "preparation" for a season. You're just making excuses for lack of professionalism. If you can show me a quote where one of chriss' personal or team trainers said, "get fatter" I'll concede. But until then the team put him in summer league. You can vote about how unimportant summer league is, but some players aren't required to participate. Those that are, are required for a reason, they need to work in something. Showing up out of shape shows a lack of commitment, a lack of dedication, unprofessionalism, and frankly a lack of support to your teammates. To label it anything OTHER than lame is just flat out patently ridiculous. Summer league may not be beautiful basketball, and winning may not matter, but it's meant to help a staff development players' skills, teamwork, and to evaluate where the players are in terms of development. The Chriss summer league experiment this summer was an utter failure.
 

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Cmon man. "Bulking phase?!?" You say that like it's a professional step that the team and trainers prescribed for him. No team or trainer ever told a professional athlete to get out of shape as "training" or "preparation" for a season. You're just making excuses for lack of professionalism. If you can show me a quote where one of chriss' personal or team trainers said, "get fatter" I'll concede. But until then the team put him in summer league. You can vote about how unimportant summer league is, but some players aren't required to participate. Those that are, are required for a reason, they need to work in something. Showing up out of shape shows a lack of commitment, a lack of dedication, unprofessionalism, and frankly a lack of support to your teammates. To label it anything OTHER than lame is just flat out patently ridiculous. Summer league may not be beautiful basketball, and winning may not matter, but it's meant to help a staff development players' skills, teamwork, and to evaluate where the players are in terms of development. The Chriss summer league experiment this summer was an utter failure.
There is being in shape and their is being in game shape. Most of these guys get out of game shape in the off season. To me that is what we saw from Chriss. He was focused on getting bigger and got out of game shape. He was still in much better shape and conditioning than a normal person, but wasn't in the game shape that an NBA player is typically in when they play in games. He was clearly focused on hitting the weights and not putting as much time into cardio, thus why I called it "bulking phase". Doesn't mean that he completely ignored the cardio part, but just wasn't nearly as focused on it.
 

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There is being in shape and their is being in game shape. Most of these guys get out of game shape in the off season. To me that is what we saw from Chriss. He was focused on getting bigger and got out of game shape. He was still in much better shape and conditioning than a normal person, but wasn't in the game shape that an NBA player is typically in when they play in games. He was clearly focused on hitting the weights and not putting as much time into cardio, thus why I called it "bulking phase". Doesn't mean that he completely ignored the cardio part, but just wasn't nearly as focused on it.
Still making excuses. Job = summer league. Showed up out of shape for summer league making it somewhat useless. If any of my team members mailed in even a less important aspect of their job I'd let them know that's unacceptable and now there's a microscope on them.
 

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The regular season is 1000x more important than SL and thus he should be using his offseason to prep specifically for the next regular season. Stopping his bulking phase early in order to get into game shape for SL IMO is a waste of time. Sure it makes him look bad to some of the fans that were expecting big things from him, but that is a small price to pay if it actually helps him when the real games come around. You are right that his showing in SL is all we have to go off of, but we also shouldn't be taking away too much from what happened in 5 games of disorganized SL basketball when he wasn't fully in shape either.
This isn't football, which might be exactly the issue. Chriss' background is football where it is advantageous to be strong and heavy. I bet he went off the reservation in his off season "bulking" which really hurts him as a player. I bet the training staff is ticked. It still makes me wonder what goes through players heads when they sacrifice what makes them good to try to be something that is a disadvantage.
 

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My take hasn't changed. He knew he needed to "get stronger" and went about it the wrong way. Away from the team and the staff, he put on weight but didn't get stronger and instead got slower and bigger. Hopefully they can correct it before the season starts.

I'm not too worried, the summer league is trash.
 

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Still making excuses. Job = summer league. Showed up out of shape for summer league making it somewhat useless. If any of my team members mailed in even a less important aspect of their job I'd let them know that's unacceptable and now there's a microscope on them.
You are WAAAAAY over estimating what Summer League is.
 

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This isn't football, which might be exactly the issue. Chriss' background is football where it is advantageous to be strong and heavy. I bet he went off the reservation in his off season "bulking" which really hurts him as a player. I bet the training staff is ticked. It still makes me wonder what goes through players heads when they sacrifice what makes them good to try to be something that is a disadvantage.
Come on. The training staff isn't "ticked". Even if they went along with it--Summer League showed that maybe they shouldn't have gone the route they took. Or maybe they need to readjust his offseason regimen. Because guess what? The SUMMER LEAGUE IS THE OFFSEASON. It includes improving your game AND your body. Chriss either needs to change the process of "bulking up", or work more on the skills part to compensate for the bulking up.

2 months before the season, he got an opportunity to see how the workouts have affected him. It's a great time to do it because he has another 2 months to fix whatever is broken.
 

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Come on. The training staff isn't "ticked". Even if they went along with it--Summer League showed that maybe they shouldn't have gone the route they took. Or maybe they need to readjust his offseason regimen. Because guess what? The SUMMER LEAGUE IS THE OFFSEASON. It includes improving your game AND your body. Chriss either needs to change the process of "bulking up", or work more on the skills part to compensate for the bulking up.

2 months before the season, he got an opportunity to see how the workouts have affected him. It's a great time to do it because he has another 2 months to fix whatever is broken.
I admit. I am speculating.
 

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Not sure why you brought up football. Adding too much weight is just as much if not more problematic in football than it is in basketball. In football every play lasts for a total of a few seconds and thus any loss of explosiveness can be extremely detrimental to your success. Also no one suggested that he was just blindly adding weight. I would guess that the training staff gave him a specific number to get to prior to focusing largely on conditioning. He will likely lose almost all of the fat that was added and will also condition the added muscle in time for training camp. Or at least that would seem to be the plan.
 

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