Apparently, ESPN thinks we're one of the "losers" in the first-round

[CtCardinals78]

Do you even read or listen? I know hating on ESPN is the cool thing to do but at least have a little knowledge. Here is what Kiper had to say.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=6444926

We were in his 3 he liked.

I actually like some of Kipers analysis. My bad. I know for a while ESPN had Gabbert mocked to AZ for awhile along with everyone else. I'm just sick of people ripping on the Cards time and time again when they have no idea what is in the best interest of this team, nor know nothing about the roster.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

QB, meet glaring need.

I don't want to hear the BPA line when this same organization passed on Adrian Peterson for Levi.

BTW, Blaine was a top 10 pick.

Yeah, the organization learned from that mistake. You wanted them to make the same mistake again? That would be foolish.

 

[kerouac9]

Says something about Hart doesn't it? In an era where there weren't as many teams in the NFL and AFL respectively(separate leagues at the time) and the draft being 20 rounds and he still became a very good pro QB. I think Whiz does go QB here and still signs Bulger. I see our 2011 QB looking like this:

Bulger
Skelton
Dalton
Practice Squad-an UDFA

Don't be surprised to see us cut ties with both Hall and Anderson.

I'll say this again: You cannot develop two young QBs at the same time in the NFL. There isn't enough coaching time or practice reps to go around. The Cards failed to develop Skelton during the regular season because they were spending all their time with Hall thinking that he could somehow be good.

The Jags felt comfortable going with Gabbert because they're not teaching Garrard. The Jets couldn't develop both Clemens and Sanchez.

The ideal situation is to have a youngish starting QB, a solid veteran backup, and one developmental guy. That when the coaching staff can split time between the developmental guy and the starter because the vet doesn't have to have a ton of reps to stay sharp.

The Cards wouldn't be able to assimilate three QBs into their offense in one season, so Skelton (IMO more talented and less red-headed than Dalton) would be left behind because the abandoned investment is lower.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yeah, the organization learned from that mistake. You wanted them to make the same mistake again? That would be foolish.

I don't believe the difference between Gabbert and Peterson is anywhere close to the difference between Levi and AP.

 

[Mulli]

Cards.....#winning

 

[Stout]

Arrogant know-it-all? Debate the topic, don't throw around insults.

I actually like the Peterson pick. I just feel CB is much lower on the need scale compared to the gaping hole we have at QB.

To say things like Bulger is better than all of the QB's in the draft combined is asinine. (not you)

Meh, I said acting like, and with a smilie. I wasn't insulting, or at least wasn't meaning to be. I just find it amusing that you are 100 percent certain Gabbert is 'the guy', when his detractors use the word 'opinion' when describing why they didn't want him. The fact is that you have no ever-loving idea if he'll be good or not. You think he might be, so you wanted us to take him. I can respect that opinion, but only for what it is--an opinion, not a fact.

 

[conraddobler]

I'm very glad he ended up on my second favorite team; the Jaguars. He will be able to sit and learn for a year behind Gerrard and then become the solid QB I feel he will become in year two.

The only reason I feel it was an OK move to pass on him is because in Arizona he would of had to start right away and without any off-season to get prepared.

If you look taking a QB very high in the draft IMO is as much a function of roster timing as anything else.

Most of the time if you take a QB that high you are rebuilding, not always and Gabbert is lucky he didn't land in that kind of situation.

We would of been much better than a rebuilding team but not as good as where he landed, from his perspective you are right.

I'm happy both for my team and for him, I would of liked to have him in a way but then again Whiz is such a hard ass on QB's I prefer it this way.

 

[john h]

Yeah,even as a Rams fan i call BS on this blurb.
AZ,SF & SEA were smart for not reaching for QB help in the 1st rd.

-AZ made the right pick(not just sayin that bcuz im in here either)...they didn't panic and got VALUE on defense.
-SF might have reached a bit A.Smith....im thinking he's a better fit in a 4-3.....but still a potentially explosive pass rusher with a high ceiling.
-SEA whiffed badly IMO....and i'm gonna go ahead and LOL.

In a year or two we will see who was right and who was wrong about the QBs. I like Peterson and he is an A pick but he is not the most important need. Clearly and without a doubt our team needs a QB. The most important position on any team. Without a good one you will never go to a Superbowl or probably not win a division. We had the worst three QBs on one team in the NFL. That must be fixed first and foremost. You may have to gamble with a pick because you are not going to get a team to give you one or likely find one in FA. I think we need to take Mallet in round 2 but at this minute I think one of the teams ahead of us will take him. There has been a run on QBs for a reason. They are the most important part of any team and there are not enough good QBs to go around.

 

[john h]

Everyone in the world knows QB is our biggest position of need. A guy worthy of the #5 pick was there for us to pick and we passed. What else did you expect ESPN to think?

ESPN can make a good argument for their judgement. Peterson may have been the best player in the draft but he is not our greatest need which unfortunately is a QB. I would have taken Gabbert but I realize Peterson is much less of a gamble and should be a starter for years to come. Unfortunately no matter how good he is it will not solve our QB issue. I am not going to criticize Whiz I will just disagree with him. He got a great player. Lets see what our record is for the next two years because in the end football is about winning and losing not about drafting the best player available.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I heard on the radio this morning soembody pointed that all the teams with offensive minded coaches, Cards,Buff,SF,Was passed on QB's while the teams with defensive minded coaches took QB's in Car,Minn, Jax. Who knows what kind of coach Munchak is? Fisher was a defensive minded guy. Thus implying that the offensive coaches didn't think this crop of QB's was worthy of their high draft status.

 

[Southpaw]

I heard on the radio this morning soembody pointed that all the teams with offensive minded coaches, Cards,Buff,SF,Was passed on QB's while the teams with defensive minded coaches took QB's in Car,Minn, Jax. Who knows what kind of coach Munchak is? Fisher was a defensive minded guy. Thus implying that the offensive coaches didn't think this crop of QB's was worthy of their high draft status.

Or the O minded coaches have an inflated sense of worth and think they can win with any old QB.

 

[conraddobler]

Or the O minded coaches have an inflated sense of worth and think they can win with any old QB.

This has been around for a while as a theory.

Brian Billick won the SB with Trent Dilfer as the QB.

The idea is if you have an offensive guru they can make do and coach up lesser players so you stock the other side of the ball.

I think a lot of head coaches suck at being head coaches and should get out of being involved with either the offense or defense in any more than a managerial way.

 

[Zeno]

Or the O minded coaches have an inflated sense of worth and think they can win with any old QB.

Exhibit 1) Derek Anderson and the 2010 Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Whis was questioned about not taking a QB yesterday and he said he would be addressing the position "in the next few rounds"

Stanzi, Kaepernick, Mallett, and Dalton are all available. They may wait and see who slides to the third.

Then it is a win / win

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Meh, I said acting like, and with a smilie. I wasn't insulting, or at least wasn't meaning to be. I just find it amusing that you are 100 percent certain Gabbert is 'the guy', when his detractors use the word 'opinion' when describing why they didn't want him. The fact is that you have no ever-loving idea if he'll be good or not. You think he might be, so you wanted us to take him. I can respect that opinion, but only for what it is--an opinion, not a fact.

Fair enough. You never know with anyone. He has all the tools and he is a position at the greatest weakness of any position of any team in the NFL.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

ESPN is the" loser" because...

I refused to watch them this year. They'll ONLY say negative things about us anyway. NFL Network offered far superior coverage in every way possible. Thought BOTH went to commercial when it was our "pick". In a world of constant "change" some things NEVER do! LOL GO CARDS!