Arians and His Stupid Ego

[Russ Smith]

I would have willingly bet a thousand dollars that we were going to throw on one of those downs. If you didn't expect him to throw it, you haven't been paying attention. It's worked all season long when we've needed it, why expect him to change?

Why do people keep saying this? None of us are complaining we didn't expect it. If anything that's part of why we are questioning it. EVERYONE expected it, Arians does it all the time, the element of surprise is gone there. Green Bay knew it was coming too, the DB on Fitz sure wasn't acting like he thought we were running on that play.

We've all been paying attention since he took over. He's a great coach, we are where we ware because of him. But he's not perfect.

Again people keep saying live and die with that mentality I would submit if we actually lost that game, or the Carolina game, or the Super Bowl on the exact same scenario, people wouldn't be ok with it. They say they are now, but if it actually happens, they're going to melt down.

 

[Stout]

It certainly did seem like the Packers were expecting some type of pass play. I think running the play on first down and selling it even more with either Shipley or Taylor in front of Johnson would have given the possibility of the run more credibility. I agree this element of surprise is pretty much gone. BA has used it to the point where teams will now be alert to it. He needs to find something different.

1st down would be the best one to throw on, IMO, because it would be least likely from a predictability standpoint.

When KW threw it on 3rd and 15 against Atlanta back when, I felt it was a good call. It was 3rd and extremely long, we weren't in FG position, and we were in good field position to pin them deep. If the play wasn't there, Warner could have just eaten the ball.

Seriously ... let it go, people! why is there still argument about the 'what if's' from 2 days ago?

Because people keep arguing with me, of course Honestly, I didn't expect a ginormous thread like this.

So, it was Palmer with an audible to blame? That changes things a bit. I'd have hoped Arians would have told him not to throw the ball, but he'll never do that. I'd have hoped Palmer wouldn't have been silly enough to check into that play, but he clearly wasn't. It kind of spreads the blame out some.

 

[D-Dogg]

Again people keep saying live and die with that mentality I would submit if we actually lost that game, or the Carolina game, or the Super Bowl on the exact same scenario, people wouldn't be ok with it. They say they are now, but if it actually happens, they're going to melt down.

IMO, you can't melt down about it. It IS the reason we are where we are. Dude does not lay up. Makes us very dangerous. It bites us as well. But I've already accepted that it could bite us at the absolutely worst time, and I'm ok with it. We don't get to a point where it would be a devastating feeling without him being a crazy gunslinger in the first place. This is the best 3 years of football Arizona has ever experienced, and the mentality of this team comes from him on down. Risk and all.

 

[Bodha]

Theres no room for timidness or fearfulness on this team or fan base.


Loved the call. Gotta play to win.

 

[Cheesebeef]

IMO, you can't melt down about it. It IS the reason we are where we are. Dude does not lay up. Makes us very dangerous. It bites us as well. But I've already accepted that it could bite us at the absolutely worst time, and I'm ok with it. We don't get to a point where it would be a devastating feeling without him being a crazy gunslinger in the first place. This is the best 3 years of football Arizona has ever experienced, and the mentality of this team comes from him on down. Risk and all.

This is a tough post to argue against. And even with the pass, I would have preferred to go conservative there but wasn't killing Arians for that play. Like I said, I saw it coming. And I don't even mind bringing an extra guy on the last play, but sending SEVEN was too much. If he had that play to do over again, I'm betting he would no matter what he says. He'd still probably blitz, but you've got to seriously take advantage of numbers on a Hail Mary.

 

[ajcardfan]

Again people keep saying live and die with that mentality I would submit if we actually lost that game, or the Carolina game, or the Super Bowl on the exact same scenario, people wouldn't be ok with it. They say they are now, but if it actually happens, they're going to melt down.

Not me Russ. Again, I want Arians to be exactly what he is. We won't win them all, but I think his philosophy of play calling to win games is awesome. And, if the same thing happens in the Super Bowl (which it won't) I will not melt down. You and Stout can, but don't speak for everybody.

 

[ajcardfan]

Listening to BA on radio now ... he says they did have a run play called, but it it was changed when they brought 10 defenders into the box. It would've been a negative run play, and they had Fitz one-on-one. He would take that anyday.

If people read the articles on the Brownsgame plan by Peter King we should of learned one thing. We THINK we know everything on a particular call, but in reality, we DO NOT HAVE A FREAKING clue on all the options for a play based on defensive personnel and alignment.

Internet sexual intellectuals can speak emphatically about how bad or great a call is, but we know only 2% of the total picture.

 

[Russ Smith]

IMO, you can't melt down about it. It IS the reason we are where we are. Dude does not lay up. Makes us very dangerous. It bites us as well. But I've already accepted that it could bite us at the absolutely worst time, and I'm ok with it. We don't get to a point where it would be a devastating feeling without him being a crazy gunslinger in the first place. This is the best 3 years of football Arizona has ever experienced, and the mentality of this team comes from him on down. Risk and all.

And you may be telling the truth. I'm just saying I read this board constantly and read the game threads etc and lots of people who are defending this decision are the same people who are on game threads questioning play calling everytime we lose a yard on a run play or things of that nature. There are a bunch of people on this very thread insisting they're fine, if it really happens I'd wager many of them would be screaming about it.

Maybe not you though I don't know.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not me Russ. Again, I want Arians to be exactly what he is. We won't win them all, but I think his philosophy of play calling to win games is awesome. And, if the same thing happens in the Super Bowl (which it won't) I will not melt down. You and Stout can, but don't speak for everybody.

I'm not speaking for everyone I'm just saying it's incredibly easy to say now if we lose because of it that's fine. If it actually happens, many people will not be fine.

This board is full of people who spend every game melting down.

Fan is short for fanatic for a reason.

I love arians as a coach, I just don't think he's perfect.

 

[ajcardfan]

I'm not speaking for everyone I'm just saying it's incredibly easy to say now if we lose because of it that's fine. If it actually happens, many people will not be fine.

This board is full of people who spend every game melting down.

Fan is short for fanatic for a reason.

I love arians as a coach, I just don't think he's perfect.

Yeah, he's not the second Jesus.

But, you are right, I can't handle the gameday threads because of people freaking out every time we give up a score or punt or have a turnover. It gets old, football is a game of mistakes. It is bound to happen with both players and coaches.

 

[GatorAZ]

I would have willingly bet a thousand dollars that we were going to throw on one of those downs. If you didn't expect him to throw it, you haven't been paying attention. It's worked all season long when we've needed it, why expect him to change?

Because he's arguably the best coach in football and knows the difference between playing aggressive and playing aggressive to a fault.

 

[cardpa]

This is a tough post to argue against. And even with the pass, I would have preferred to go conservative there but wasn't killing Arians for that play. Like I said, I saw it coming. And I don't even mind bringing an extra guy on the last play, but sending SEVEN was too much. If he had that play to do over again, I'm betting he would no matter what he says. He'd still probably blitz, but you've got to seriously take advantage of numbers on a Hail Mary.

I think his reasoning to blitz was so Rodgers would not have time to throw a deep pass and his receivers would not have time to get deep. The problem was how the DBs played the hail mary. They were behind the receiver which gave the receiver an advantage by being between the DB and the ball. He had the high point advantage to the ball. Peterson was behind Janis which made it the most difficult position to be in to challenge for the ball. If he had been along side of Janis he would have been in a much better position to challenge and knock the ball away. Being behind him meant he had to go through Janis to get to the ball.

 

[Shaggy]

We cry about how wiz was always playing conservative and now we are crying about Arians playing aggressive. Guess they can't make everyone happy. I loved the pass call, I just wish it was a better percentage play then what was called. Maybe a crossing route or a quick slant.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Internet sexual intellectuals can speak emphatically about how bad or great a call is, but we know only 2% of the total picture.

Jim Mora agrees with you...


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[cardpa]

Jim Mora agrees with you...


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I guess we just don't know even though we think we know.

 

[SO91]

This is a tough post to argue against. And even with the pass, I would have preferred to go conservative there but wasn't killing Arians for that play. Like I said, I saw it coming. And I don't even mind bringing an extra guy on the last play, but sending SEVEN was too much. If he had that play to do over again, I'm betting he would no matter what he says. He'd still probably blitz, but you've got to seriously take advantage of numbers on a Hail Mary.

They had the numbers on the Hail Mary that tied it. Patrick was playing behind the receiver, and Rashad was supposed to play in front. He misjudged it or misplayed it for some reason. Johnson had plenty of time to get in front and challenge the throw, but didn't for whatever reason.

 

[Russ Smith]

They had the numbers on the Hail Mary that tied it. Patrick was playing behind the receiver, and Rashad was supposed to play in front. He misjudged it or misplayed it for some reason. Johnson had plenty of time to get in front and challenge the throw, but didn't for whatever reason.

Yep PP did what he was supposed to do and was in fact tipping the ball to knock it away, but Johnson didn't do his job and allowed Janis to get to the ball too easily.

 

[SO91]

Yep PP did what he was supposed to do and was in fact tipping the ball to knock it away, but Johnson didn't do his job and allowed Janis to get to the ball too easily.

Watching it again and again, I think based on athletic ability alone I would have preferred PP playing in front, and Rashad playing from behind the safety. What you and I wrote is what I've read and heard throughout, so I guess the plan was for Peterson to be behind.

 

[football karma]

Yep PP did what he was supposed to do and was in fact tipping the ball to knock it away, but Johnson didn't do his job and allowed Janis to get to the ball too easily.

my complaint with PP:

he went with a normal "deflect the ball away" when "modified volleyball spike" was more appropriate

 

[Russ Smith]

my complaint with PP:

he went with a normal "deflect the ball away" when "modified volleyball spike" was more appropriate

True he was trying to tip it with 2 hands instead of Dikembe Mutombo it.

I think DB's are so afraid of PI calls there they end to default to that.

All that said it's a remarkable throw and catch.