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What can you get for 20 million? WR,RT,G or better yet Stud DT and ILB.
We have $35m to spend as it stands with CP'S contract included.
Who's your QB in 2018?
And don't forget replacement cost.
What can you get for 20 million? WR,RT,G or better yet Stud DT and ILB.
This is totally out of whack concerning if Palmer can get the job done. How the hell could he have performed any better when not having a OL or running game or in the recent game when the coach wants to call a crack pot jump ball when he does have one. Yes, we need a QB of the future because Palmer is older and one day will retire but for me your accusations that Palmer is obviously amiss is funny
Well, I'll bet that the Cards will be more than happy should CP choose to return and will draft a QBOF understudy in 2018. And with $35m + in CAP space as it stands going into next offseason, the Cards have more than enough to play in the Free Agent market.
What does Less money have to do with reliability?
I'm sorry, but I watched week 1 passes fall in the dirt or be picked (when he HAD protection), I've watched him underthrow receivers, and he hasn't been able to consistently put the team in a position to win when opportunities are there. I'll admit there are some issues around him, but thinking he's deserving of another year as essentially our only option is extremely shortsighted.
$35m has to go toward the fact that we have only 1 QB under contract (Palmer), 2 WRs (JJ and Chad Williams), 1 TE, 1 DE, half of our starting linebackers, and realistically only 1 CB because I don't think anyone wants to bother counting Brandon Williams anymore. There's barely a team in place.
We have 24% of the cap this year dedicated to just Larry and Palmer alone - and Palmer is being paid as a top 5 player at his position. While he might be #2 in yards, he's 29th in quarterback rating. 19th in QBR, if you're into that kind of thing.
So, to my points above, and other points that have already been made - reliability counts on someone for him to actually throw to. For the team around him to be functional. For the offensive line to have capable players. Not to mention that he is paid higher this season, and has a similar cap number into the next, than all but one player - Joe Flacco. That means he should be the second best QB in the league. Or at least top 5, let's say. Hell, top 10. I surely know I could name a solid amount I'd prefer more than Palmer - who I like, but can't take over games, and has had two knee injuries with next to nothing in terms of playoff results.
If Carson wants to come back and QB this team next year? Let's see him do it for the $14 million or less Brady is going to make.
I don't agree with all the above negatives about Carson but do agree he might not be a top ten QB. As far as taking less money Brady is the only QB out there doing that so bashing Carson for that is unfair, plus I'm sure the Cheatriots are doing some funny accounting
Lions just paid Stratford a ton of money and he hasn't taken his team anywhere. Dalton for the Bengals keep getting chances. Carr for the Raiders just got PAID and while very promising hasn't proven... Hell even Alex Smith for the Chiefs makes good coin. My point is getting an NFL quality QB is maybe the hardest thing to do in professional sports so when you find a good one who is an excellent teammate and leader and worker then you keep him and try to build up the team around him.
When Carson has time and isn't running for his life and on pace to get sacked 60 times and has a running game he puts up tremendous numbers and yes can lead this team to the playoffs and beyond.
Palmer is making $500,000 more per year on average than Brady.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/
Also Brady has more guaranteed money than Palmer.
Draft a QB in first round and trade for a QB like Nick Foles who would be a FA after next year costing only $7M. I would offer a 4th rounder and while people may say that is too much remember that this year’s fourth rounder didn’t make the team.We have $35m to spend as it stands with CP'S contract included.
Who's your QB in 2018?
And don't forget replacement cost.
Brady also has a wife who banks 300milI don't agree with all the above negatives about Carson but do agree he might not be a top ten QB. As far as taking less money Brady is the only QB out there doing that so bashing Carson for that is unfair, plus I'm sure the Cheatriots are doing some funny accounting
Lions just paid Stratford a ton of money and he hasn't taken his team anywhere. Dalton for the Bengals keep getting chances. Carr for the Raiders just got PAID and while very promising hasn't proven... Hell even Alex Smith for the Chiefs makes good coin. My point is getting an NFL quality QB is maybe the hardest thing to do in professional sports so when you find a good one who is an excellent teammate and leader and worker then you keep him and try to build up the team around him.
When Carson has time and isn't running for his life and on pace to get sacked 60 times and has a running game he puts up tremendous numbers and yes can lead this team to the playoffs and beyond.
I don't agree with all the above negatives about Carson but do agree he might not be a top ten QB. As far as taking less money Brady is the only QB out there doing that so bashing Carson for that is unfair, plus I'm sure the Cheatriots are doing some funny accounting
Lions just paid Stratford a ton of money and he hasn't taken his team anywhere. Dalton for the Bengals keep getting chances. Carr for the Raiders just got PAID and while very promising hasn't proven... Hell even Alex Smith for the Chiefs makes good coin. My point is getting an NFL quality QB is maybe the hardest thing to do in professional sports so when you find a good one who is an excellent teammate and leader and worker then you keep him and try to build up the team around him.
When Carson has time and isn't running for his life and on pace to get sacked 60 times and has a running game he puts up tremendous numbers and yes can lead this team to the playoffs and beyond.
Draft a QB in first round and trade for a QB like Nick Foles who would be a FA after next year costing only $7M. I would offer a 4th rounder and while people may say that is too much remember that this year’s fourth rounder didn’t make the team.
The only reason I used Brady was the age comparison and that, like it or not, Carson isn't Brady. And I'm not necessarily worried about bonus money or the overall value of the contract, I'm just talking in a pure vacuum, looking at next year's cap hit. Carson was worth this money in 2015, no doubt. Now, he is not. Sure, there are some overpaid players, like Dalton, and Joe Flacco, but I can't imagine anyone on this board would really rather have Carson Palmer at 20 million next year over Carr/Stafford at that number. And Alex Smith surely isn't going to make that much money next year.
I don't want to pay any Quarterback $20 million dollars next year though, not when this team has so many pure roster spots to fill. If we're drafting in the top 10, take a QB and start him right away. If we're drafting outside of it, sign someone like AJ McCarron/Alex Smith, re-sign Gabbert, and draft a kid, and let them all fight it out.
Brady also has a wife who banks 300mil
The chances of the Cards not honouring the present terms of his contract should he wish to return add up to zero... imo.
Nick Foles???? You obviously didn't watch his most recent starts. If you want to trade for someone, either Bridgewater or Bradford should be available, Jacoby Brissett might be available, those are far far better options.
Gabbert is twice the QB Foles is, other than his fluke Rookie year Foles is lucky to still be in the league. I would not sign him as a free agent, let alone trade anything for him.
I do not understand your hatred for Palmer, the last 4 games he has played very very well, top 10 QB well. Everyone knows he only has a couple years left, but you can start rebuilding with an old qb and rebuild at other positions, you don't have to gut the team just to gut it unless you really are going to tank. I do not think Bidwill, and Keim ever want to tank - the fact they just traded for old man Peterson says as much.
I genuinely don't believe he's going to play next year and will retire, but saving $14 million on the cap if we release him makes me think otherwise if he insists he's playing in 2018 no matter what.
Are you saying they'd cut CP to save $14m?
Again, realistically looking at it, I say he retires. If he comes back for another year, I think the team has to force him to take a pay cut (and if he and Fitz were both coming back for "one more run," I think he probably would take a little less).
If the unlikely scenario occurs where he says "I'm not retiring, I'm staying another year, and I'm not adjusting my contract," I think the team almost has to cut him.
If he returns, I can't imagine your scenario. Bidwill and Co. are not going to turn their back on guy who could generate 4000 yards and their best chance to win.
If he returns, I can't imagine your scenario. Bidwill and Co. are not going to turn their back on guy who could generate 4000 yards and their best chance to win.
For the hundredth time, 4,000 yards =/= best chance to win. It's like Bortles in years past, who threw for 4,000 yards because his team was down big because he couldn't produce early.
Game 1: Palmer can't get anything going, team keeps in it until the end of the 3rd, he throws the pick six that seals the game, most of his yards come in the 4th where we're out of it.
Game 2: Gets nothing done all game until the 4th quarter where a big chunk of his yardage comes off of one throw. One half of his yards accumulate in the 4th quarter in desperation mode. And this was a BAD Colts team.
Game 3: Admittedly this one wasn't his fault.
Game 4: Can't get us off the ground all game, and is in chuck it and pray mode. Maybe you can blame the OL here but it's still 51 attempts, 50 attempts before a TD was thrown.
Game 5: The entire team was flat, but it was still a bad game. And still a majority of yardage in the 4th when the Eagles had it in the bag.
The yardage numbers pretty much ignore game flow and QB effectiveness. Again, he's 29th in quarterback rating. He's not "their best chance to win."
Bottom line, you want him out and can't offer us a replacement that we can have a modicum of confidence in at this point.
If he retires, end of story.
If he returns it will be under his existing contract. IMO.
And it will be because the people with skin in the game believe he gives them the best chance to win.
But I offered replacement options already... Smith, McCarron, someone else mentioned Brissett, along with a rookie QB and Gabbert or similar to compete.
Smith is the only one with a pedigree and could offer some confidence in a transition. But, at best it's $5m saving in 2018.
If we draft our QBOF, why would you care which vet holds the reins next season?
As said: It's CP'S decision to return or not and I think Bidwill and Co. would be more than happy if he did and the present contract would be a non issue.
P.S - CP has been hit 66 times so far. It was down to 4 last game and we saw an efficient performance.
Wait a minute... Palmer has a $20.625M cap number in 2018, and cutting him would yield a $14M cap saving.Smith is the only one with a pedigree and could offer some confidence in a transition. But, at best it's $5m saving in 2018.
A player as talented as Johnson should NOT be downgraded to RB2.
Because David Johnson can also excel at WR, there is no reason why he and Adrian Peterson can't be dual focal points of the offense. In this day and age, every team needs two good RBs to share the load. This can be a blessing for Johnson in that without another very good RB on the roster, his workload could have been overwhelming. I think DJ and AP will forge a tremendous bond.
if the Cardinals have a chance to make the playoffs, it would be a blessing to have David Johnson fresher and less beat up.