Arizona Basketball 2016-2017 Season

[TJ]

Finally some answers. Wonder if AZ leaked it to Goodman...

Goodman is close with Sean Miller, so I'd bet $1,000 the source is him.

This only gets out because Arizona wants it out, particularly with how tight lipped it has been since the Miles Simon saga. Something is going on, and I think Miller is using whatever resources he has to put pressure on the NCAA.

 

[Russ Smith]

Finally some answers. Wonder if AZ leaked it to Goodman...

So from what he said it's the opposite of my guess. they're not waiting for him to prove his meds cause him to test positive, they're waiting for him to no longer test positive for whatever he took. What the hell stays in your system for 4 months at detectable levels?

Totally proves Ace was just making stuff up though, he was telling people Trier had "trace amounts" won the appeal, was cleared but it was all red tape and paperwork holding it up. You don't test positive for trace amounts of something and still have it in your system 4 months later. So he did win the appeal but wasn't cleared because he's still testing positive.

A guy on BRO said a few weeks ago he heard that a doctor gave Trier steroids for a sinus infection and that caused the positive test but I don't care how much prednisone you take it's NOT in your system 4 months later. I tried googling but don't find anything detectable that long that's not illegal and could be taken by accident so you can win an appeal so I'm at a loss

 

[Russ Smith]

Goodman is close with Sean Miller, so I'd bet $1,000 the source is him.

This only gets out because Arizona wants it out, particularly with how tight lipped it has been since the Miles Simon saga. Something is going on, and I think Miller is using whatever resources he has to put pressure on the NCAA.

That or Trier leaked it himself because he's tired of all the rumors and decided to give the story to someone credible, not someone like Ace, so that he could get his story out there, and as you said put pressure on the NCAA.

This way the story is he won his appeal so he didn't "cheat" and he can't play yet.

 

[TJ]

That or Trier leaked it himself because he's tired of all the rumors and decided to give the story to someone credible, not someone like Ace, so that he could get his story out there, and as you said put pressure on the NCAA.

This way the story is he won his appeal so he didn't "cheat" and he can't play yet.

Some take days, months, or years to exit the system. My feeling is that if it were one of those that took years, he would've bolted by now. The level of the PED is decreasing and is close to being at the threshold for reinstatement, but it is not likely he'll be back for the L.A. games.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Or the NCAA is waiting for their test to hit a certain number before clearing him. What he took and why, is the Q/A that wont be leaked.

The NCAA and arbitrary numbers for 100...

I dont think this is something Trier wanted to deal with. This sounds more like the pressure of public opinion trying to sway things with the biggest road trip of the season in progress (UA in is LA).

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Some take days, months, or years to exit the system. My feeling is that if it were one of those that took years, he would've bolted by now. The level of the PED is decreasing and is close to being at the threshold for reinstatement, but it is not likely he'll be back for the L.A. games.

Its not at the threshold yet because the threshold is ********. Essentially an arbitrary number that doesnt equate to "leaving the system."

 

[Russ Smith]

Some take days, months, or years to exit the system. My feeling is that if it were one of those that took years, he would've bolted by now. The level of the PED is decreasing and is close to being at the threshold for reinstatement, but it is not likely he'll be back for the L.A. games.

The rub is that for him to win his appeal that implies he tested positive for something that could be taken by "accident". that is something that a doctor might prescribe not knowing he'd fail a test because of it, or something like that. i've been googling it and virtually all the PED's I find that are listed as detectable 3 months or longer, are completely illegal and are injected so it couldn't have been anything like that or he wouldn't have won his appeal.

Very weird, I'm guessing he either leaked it or told Miller to do it because now it's out there this way it makes him seem less culpable and puts more pressure on the NCAA to let him play.

I do agree with the premise here though, if he has a PED in his system it would not be "fair" to let him play until it's out of his system.

But how the NCAA determines what level that means is anybodys guess.

I was hoping he'd play against SC and UCLA, I hope he gets to play this year.

 

[Russ Smith]

Trier chimes in "Everything's not what it seems, especially reported but nvm yea."

And Scheer on Twitter is blaming Steve Alford for leaking it.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Very weird, I'm guessing he either leaked it or told Miller to do it because now it's out there this way it makes him seem less culpable and puts more pressure on the NCAA to let him play.

I dont think Trier wanted it out like this.

 

[GatorAZ]

Still in his system? Are they spinal tapping him?

 

[Russ Smith]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...olton-houston-ncaa-has-failed-at-its-mission/

Someone on BRO mentioned this story I wasn't familiar with. in this case the kid had it in his system for THREE YEARS!

 

[Russ Smith]

Statement from Allonzo Trier: "Earlier this season, I was notified that I tested positive for a trace amount of a banned performance-enhancing drug following an NCAA random test and I was shocked. I have never knowingly taken a banned substance. After finding out that I was given a banned substance by a well-intentioned, but misguided person not associated with the University after an injury, I presented this information to the NCAA. The NCAA agreed that I had no knowledge of receiving the substance and my eligibility was restored. Although I can practice and travel with the team, I am not allowed to resume playing in games until the substance completely leaves my body even at a trace amount. Unfortunately, I am unsure of when that time will be, but I hope it is soon. I want to thank my family, coaches, teammates, my attorney and the athletics department for their support during this difficult time. I will not have any further comment at this time. In addition, I have asked the athletics department to respect my privacy by not answering any questions or releasing any information beyond this statement."

 

[GatorAZ]

Statement from Allonzo Trier: "Earlier this season, I was notified that I tested positive for a trace amount of a banned performance-enhancing drug following an NCAA random test and I was shocked. I have never knowingly taken a banned substance. After finding out that I was given a banned substance by a well-intentioned, but misguided person not associated with the University after an injury, I presented this information to the NCAA. The NCAA agreed that I had no knowledge of receiving the substance and my eligibility was restored. Although I can practice and travel with the team, I am not allowed to resume playing in games until the substance completely leaves my body even at a trace amount. Unfortunately, I am unsure of when that time will be, but I hope it is soon. I want to thank my family, coaches, teammates, my attorney and the athletics department for their support during this difficult time. I will not have any further comment at this time. In addition, I have asked the athletics department to respect my privacy by not answering any questions or releasing any information beyond this statement."

This is so dumb. If we're taking .00000001% still qualifies as "in your system" then it could last 20 years.

The NCAA just keeps outdoing itself.

 

[Russ Smith]

This is so dumb. If we're taking .00000001% still qualifies as "in your system" then it could last 20 years.

The NCAA just keeps outdoing itself.

It's also interesting he used the words trace elements which Ace has apparently been using for months so he either liked the sound of that or Ace in fact did know that and was just completely misusing the word "cleared" which is why nobody believed his story.

I guess the fundamental question should be is whatever he took that's still in his system still performance enhancing? If it is then you can justify this but at a certain point how do they know, can they really say at 2x it's perfomance enhancing at X it's not?

If you read that story I linked last night the kid went as far as having elected surgery to have fatty tissue removed because that's where the PED was being stored in his body. In his case the NCAA was clearly negligent, they suspended him for a year and didn't test him once until the year was up, the amount had come way down but the NCAA said the amount is still high enough it suggests he's using the PED still. if the NCAA had done the logical thing and tested him regularly, they'd have been able to document the level coming down test by test to prove the kid wasn't doping. Clearly they ARE doing that with Trier so at least they learned something.

Tough call I've read so many stories over the years from athletes who insist they didn't know it was a PED or didn't know they were taking it and I'm sure some of them are telling the truth but the overwhelming majority weren't so my natural inclination is to be skeptical. But if the NCAA believed his story and reinstated him, that suggests he had some good support for his argument so IMO half season suspension would have been fair.

But obviously we don't know the levels, in that football case after one year the kid had gone from 100 times over allowable limit to 10 times over, which is still pretty high. They presented reams of evidence suggesting it wsan't performance enhancing at that level but the NCAA wouldn't budge. I think they should now with Trier assuming his levels aren't way over still.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not something you'll normally see me say but I actually believe Ace here. his twitter page says Trier was in a car accident over the summer, the ER attendant administered something that turns out to be a PED, he showed the NCAA proof of that, they accepted the appeal, and the rest is history. Pascoe has been saying for months they did a records request that showed a couple of minor traffic incidents with Trier but nothing else so presumably one of those was this accident.

If that's true, let Trier play.

 

[GatorAZ]

That whole "two year plan" for Lauri sounded fun while it lasted.

Can Ayton and Ristic play together?

 

[TJ]

That whole "two year plan" for Lauri sounded fun while it lasted.

Can Ayton and Ristic play together?

Yep and with Dusan's development, I'm excited to see it happen (if it happens).

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yep and with Dusan's development, I'm excited to see it happen (if it happens).

I can't believe I'm saying it but with Dusan's development I wouldn't rule out this being the last season for Markkanen and Ristic. He's so much better at this lighter weight and despite a mild game against USC, he's been very impressive in conference play.

 

[GatorAZ]

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Hansen saying the same thing.

 

[TJ]

He's back but I wish he had a tune up like asu before playing against UCLA. Thrown to the wolves

 

[carey]

Just saw Trier is available to play today versus UCLA.

 

[Russ Smith]

He's back but I wish he had a tune up like asu before playing against UCLA. Thrown to the wolves

goes both ways of course UCLA hasn't had any time to prepare for Trier who they will obviously guard completely differently than they would Simmons or Alkins.

But i'm glad he's finally cleared will make the game today even bigger.

Kareem is supposed to be honored today at UCLA, they're saying Magic Johnson will be there, should be a great atmosphere for the game.

 

[TJ]

goes both ways of course UCLA hasn't had any time to prepare for Trier who they will obviously guard completely differently than they would Simmons or Alkins.

But i'm glad he's finally cleared will make the game today even bigger.

Kareem is supposed to be honored today at UCLA, they're saying Magic Johnson will be there, should be a great atmosphere for the game.

I suppose, but it's not like Trier is going to seamlessly enter the rotation. If Trier goes off, that'd be great, but it'd likely be at the expense of the rest of the team.

Zona is playing with house money. It won against USC so at worse, it's an LA split. I think UCLA wins by 10.

 

[carey]

Great win. Trier looked good. Markkanen is really impressive.

 

[Russ Smith]

Great game, I have no idea why Alford waited so long to go zone and then why he switched out of it.

That ALkins 3 was the killer we were at 2 he put it to 5 and then Holiday's 2 TO's killed us.

Really great defense by you guys