Article on AZCardinals: "Beanie Too Fast ...."

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm pretty sure the phrase is "wet blanket."


Jus' sayin.

You BIM'd his BIM. lol

 

[Duckjake]

This is all nonsense. All Day has played with 5 different QBs and it hasn't slowed him down at all.

Wells is a bust and the Cards are trying to cover it up by saying he needs more time to learn. Where have we heard that line before?

Or just as bad maybe it's Thomas Jones part two. Draft a RB in round one and then have him split time with a 4th-5th-UDFA RB so that the #1 draft pick never gets into the necessary rhythm to be effective running the ball so everyone thinks he's a bust and he ends up rushing for over 1000 yards somewhere else.

OJ Anderson carried the ball 331 times for 1,605 yards his rookie season with Ken Wortman at Left Tackle. Give the Beanie the rock and let him sink or swim.

 

[nashman]

Agree Duck give Beanie the damn rock and lets see it, you can't keep handing it off to 2 yrd Timmy and expect Beanie to do anything with very limited touches!

 

[187]

This is all nonsense. All Day has played with 5 different QBs and it hasn't slowed him down at all.

Wells is a bust and the Cards are trying to cover it up by saying he needs more time to learn. Where have we heard that line before?

Or just as bad maybe it's Thomas Jones part two. Draft a RB in round one and then have him split time with a 4th-5th-UDFA RB so that the #1 draft pick never gets into the necessary rhythm to be effective running the ball so everyone thinks he's a bust and he ends up rushing for over 1000 yards somewhere else.

OJ Anderson carried the ball 331 times for 1,605 yards his rookie season with Ken Wortman at Left Tackle. Give the Beanie the rock and let him sink or swim.

Wells is a bust after 5 games? I'm glad we weren't so fast to act with Adrian Wilson.

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

My point was ....

If Beanie is quick off the ball, then put a fullback in front of him and run the freakin' ISO or LEAD!!! The line just fires off the ball and generates push from the line of scrimmage. Beanie hits the hole and looks to read the fullbacks block then makes his cut and goes. This way at least he's much more likely to get positive yardage rather than getting smacked in the backfield for negative yardage. Why is it we can't run to his strengths until he adjusts to the game. Let him get a feel for carrying the rock and help grow his confidence.

This seems pretty logical to me.

FYI - I could care less if I've been BIM'd, I put out a quick post and that was it. But after re-reading the initial title, it was kind of funny.

-OCF

 

[Jasper]

Forget that, I dont want to slow the guy down. Next offseason we just need to get faster gaurds and a faster QB. Just joking.....Kind of.

That's a really good idea. Instead of slowing him down have the rest of the offense speed up. It will give less reaction time for the defense to react and swarm to the ball.

 

[Duckjake]

Wells is a bust after 5 games? I'm glad we weren't so fast to act with Adrian Wilson.

Glad we were with Leland McElroy.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

This is all nonsense. All Day has played with 5 different QBs and it hasn't slowed him down at all.

Wells is a bust and the Cards are trying to cover it up by saying he needs more time to learn. Where have we heard that line before?

Or just as bad maybe it's Thomas Jones part two. Draft a RB in round one and then have him split time with a 4th-5th-UDFA RB so that the #1 draft pick never gets into the necessary rhythm to be effective running the ball so everyone thinks he's a bust and he ends up rushing for over 1000 yards somewhere else.

OJ Anderson carried the ball 331 times for 1,605 yards his rookie season with Ken Wortman at Left Tackle. Give the Beanie the rock and let him sink or swim.

When will some of us understand that it is Wiz's style to bring guys along slowly in their rookie season?Happened with Calais, happened with DRC, happened with Breaston, happened with Tim, and it WILL happen with Beanie.

 

[Mainstreet]

Being too fast to the hole or creating your own opening has not been a problem for Adrian Petersen. IMO, good RBs are usually good instinctive runners. Wells has not shown me such instincts thus far.

 

[Duckjake]

When will some of us understand that it is Wiz's style to bring guys along slowly in their rookie season?Happened with Calais, happened with DRC, happened with Breaston, happened with Tim, and it WILL happen with Beanie.

When will some of us understand that this debate is really about whether or not that's the right way to handle a premier running back.

Whisenhunt's track record with the run game isn't exactly stellar.

30th in ypc in 2007
31st in ypc in 2008
31st in ypc in 2009 with an abysmal 2.9 average.

 

[jefftheshark]

It's all nuance and he will be fine. Just need the game reps. I am expecting a breakout any day now.

Well, it's now Thursday, did he have that breakout yet, or are you expecting it could be tomorrow?



JTS

 

[Arizona's Finest]

When will some of us understand that this debate is really about whether or not that's the right way to handle a premier running back.

Whisenhunt's track record with the run game isn't exactly stellar.

30th in ypc in 2007
31st in ypc in 2008
31st in ypc in 2009 with an abysmal 2.9 average.

I notice you cited the one RB in the equation and neglected to mention the 5 other players who that has worked beautifully for.

You and I both that running the ball is something the Cardinals have NEVER done well. That's not a Wiz thing. It's a Cards thing.

Keep in mind the year Wiz took on as OC of the Steelers his team went from something like #13 rushing the ball to #1. So I think he knows what he is doing.

Again its Game 5. I am going to let Wiz do this thing. Besides Beanie - as much as I love him - has shown a scary propesity to be careless with the ball. So I COMPLETELY understand why Wells is being handled the way he is.

Now if we get to the end of the year and are still talking about "what can Beanie do?" then yeah we have an issue.

Till then we just need patience IMO.

 

[Mulli]

When will some of us understand that this debate is really about whether or not that's the right way to handle a premier running back.

Whisenhunt's track record with the run game isn't exactly stellar.

30th in ypc in 2007
31st in ypc in 2008
31st in ypc in 2009 with an abysmal 2.9 average.

Whiz' post-season track record with the run game is SuPeR.

 

[Duckjake]

I notice you cited the one RB in the equation and neglected to mention the 5 other players who that has worked beautifully for.


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That's because in my opinion, and others as well, RB is different from the other positions. Running the football is far more instinctive and requires getting a feel for the game.

You can't get into the required rhythm if you are sitting on the bench.

And you can't be instinctive if you are worrying about holding on the the football.

That combination spells trouble.

 

[MadCardDisease]

That's because in my opinion, and others as well, RB is different from the other positions. Running the football is far more instinctive and requires getting a feel for the game.

You can't get into the required rhythm if you are sitting on the bench.

And you can't be instinctive if you are worrying about holding on the the football.

That combination spells trouble.

#1 - You won't get on the field if you can't hold onto the football. That's true on any NFL team.

 

[Duckjake]

#1 - You won't get on the field if you can't hold onto the football. That's true on any NFL team.

A sad story about how not holding on to the football can affect an NFL career and a life.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/1995/10/22/1995-10-22_fumbled_life_sammie_smith_br.html

I'll never forget how people just vilified the guy for that one fumble.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Beanie needs to trust the line in getting into position because even if the running lanes falter, Beanie has a great strength and that is his ability to cutback on a run which is better than running into the linemen and never getting a chance to do anything

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Well, if Beanie's to fast to the hole and all the guards pulling / timing is out of sync, then call plays that take advantage of his quickness and run iso or lead plays off tackle. Just a thought. why can't we call specific running plays and not run all timing plays? I don't get it.

No. He needs to show patience. It is one of the things that make you a good back in the NFL. Wells has to learn to hit the hole at the right time, and then explode through it.

That and he needs to HOLD ON TO THE DAMN BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

Being too fast to the hole or creating your own opening has not been a problem for Adrian Petersen. IMO, good RBs are usually good instinctive runners. Wells has not shown me such instincts thus far.

I actually disagree, he has MUCH better vision than Hightower does, Tim routinely runs into defenders with his head down which we all applaud as "hard running" but sometimes he does it when he could have cut one way or the other and probably got more yards.

Beanie's timing has been an issue sure, the bobbled handoff Sunday was another case of was it Wells in the wrong place or Warner on the handoff, given Beanie's fumbles we're all assuming he was to blame.

There were at least 2 runs in the first half where Wells got yardage by simply cutting back a run that was otherwise going nowhere, Hightower can't make that cut, he has to come to a complete stop to change directions it seems, Beanie doesn't have to slow down like that to cut.

The main problem I had with Beanie's play sunday was the best blocked play of the game he lost his footing and fell down, that was a 40-50 yard run possibly if he kept his feet. Lots of people slipped in the game though remember it rained the day and night before the game, but that slip cost us a big play. And the fumble and bobble, he's GOT to hold onto the damn ball if he wants to play more.

But he's a much more instinctual runner than Tim and much more talented, I think they will make a nice combo but if our run game is going to improve this year like it did last year, it will be because of Wells not Tim IMHO.

 

[BigRedArk]

That's because in my opinion, and others as well, RB is different from the other positions. Running the football is far more instinctive and requires getting a feel for the game.

You can't get into the required rhythm if you are sitting on the bench.

And you can't be instinctive if you are worrying about holding on the the football.

That combination spells trouble.

How do we know that he won't be sitting on the bench in the near or not-too-distant future? What if in fact he finally gets his chance to start and be the main RB before the season is over? Also isn't there a chance that his focus on not fumbling the ball switches to being instinctive with it as the season progresses?