As one of Stantons biggest critics...

[football karma]

Stanton clearly missed some throws -- but he was low on the Cardinal list of offensive problems

Various receivers didnt help him -- and further -- i would expect a WR to help a QB out with a great catch or two. That also didnt happen.

I thought the "tight" package offensive gameplan played right into what Sea wanted to do: make Stanton beat them.

its been said before: take Fitz out the mix, and the Cardinal WR group (which includes TEs) is well below average.

Combine that with a backup QB, your best offensive player in DJ on the bench and changes on the o-line: it would be a shock if the team didnt struggle to score points.

 

[Covert Rain]

How anybody can defend Stanton is beyond me. Yes, his team didn't help him much with the dropped balls but Seattle stacked the box against AP because they don't feel threatened much by Stanton.

Plus, Stanton missed a bunch of easy wide open throws and missed receivers. That is Stanton since the first time we played him. This is the SAME Stanton we have thrown out there before. Nothing has changed.

Maybe we could have eeked out a win but it would have been despite Stanton's inconsistent accuracy and track record of really poor touch. His career numbers say it all.

Stanton is awful and no team with a semi-decent defense should do anything but stack the line and dare Stanton to beat them.

 

[clif]

How anybody can defend Stanton is beyond me. Yes, his team didn't help him much with the dropped balls but Seattle stacked the box against AP because they don't feel threatened much by Stanton.

Plus, Stanton missed a bunch of easy wide open throws and missed receivers. That is Stanton since the first time we played him. This is the SAME Stanton we have thrown out there before. Nothing has changed.

Maybe we could have eeked out a win but it would have been despite Stanton's inconsistent accuracy and track record of really poor touch. His career numbers say it all.

Stanton is awful and no team with a semi-decent defense should do anything but stack the line and dare Stanton to beat them.

Exactly. Due is on the all ski mask team. Been stealing from the Cards for years.

 

[AZCrazy]

You folks aren't real clear on the general state of backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Stanton is one of the good ones.

 

[Cards_Campos]

If we had 1 of 20 other QBs currently in the league right now. We win that game

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe some of the drops were because Stanton is erratic, the receivers were caught off guard that they didn't have to jumo or dive.

Funny.

 

[daves]

Who would you prefer as your back up QB? Don't know of any with a 60% or higher completion percentage. Do you want Carolinas back up? Maybe Houstons?

Are you kidding?

Jacoby Brissett started the year as a 3rd stringer for NE, and has completed 61% of his passes this year, as well as 62% last year.

On that note, Garoppolo completed 68% of his passes last year and 67% in his 3 years with NE.

AJ McCarron completed 66% of his passes in a couple of starts for Cincinnati as a rookie.

Trevor Siemian is now #2 in Denver after completing 61.5% of his passes this year and 60% over his two years in Denver.

Case Keenum has been completing 64% of his passes this year and is right at 60% for his career.

Matt Schaub is a 64% career passer.

Mike Glennon completed 66% of his passes this year and 61% for his career.

Kevin Hogan is at 64% this year for Cleveland. CLEVELAND!

Matt Moore has averaged 60% in his 7 years with Miami.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has hit 62.5% of his passes this year, and 62% in his career.

Brian Hoyer is a career 59% passer.

Matt Cassel is at 59.5% this year (and was 63% in his 4 years in NE).

Even Blaine Gabbert managed 61% in his last 3 years in San Francisco.

In the class of truly awful QBs, there are still plenty more who are a lot closer to 60% than 50%:
Brett Hundley: 59% this year
Ryan Mallett: 59% in his last 3 years with Baltimore
Scott Tolzien: 58% for his career
EJ Manuel: 58% for his career

And yep, even Scud has averaged a 66.5% completion percentage in his last 7 years in Carolina, after laughing it up with the Cardinals at 52% in 2010.

So that's PLENTY of backups with over 60% completion percentage, and at least HALF A LEAGUE of backup QBs with MUCH better accuracy than Stanton. There are almost NO QBs in the NFL who can't manage 50% completions, and the few there have been in the last few DECADES have generally been rookies. And as for backups i'd prefer over Stanton, I'd take most of the above, plus plenty of rookies or 2nd year guys who don't have enough attempts for me to list their completion percentage, but at least have the promise of possibly developing into decent long-term players with >55% completion percentage.

In 164 attempts over the last 3 years, somehow, incredibly, Stanton has managed to complete only 45% of his passes. This is an absurd, unheard-of level of inaccuracy.

Come on man. I actually thought he played decently for a backup last night (albeit against a D that was loaded up to stop the run, and had little respect for his ability to pass), and the number of good passes he had dropped was greater than the number of uncatchable passes. And he didn't throw any picks, and used his mobility well. But you just cannot possibly defend his accuracy.

...dave

 

[Shane]

Are you kidding?

Jacoby Brissett started the year as a 3rd stringer for NE, and has completed 61% of his passes this year, as well as 62% last year.

On that note, Garoppolo completed 68% of his passes last year and 67% in his 3 years with NE.

AJ McCarron completed 66% of his passes in a couple of starts for Cincinnati as a rookie.

Trevor Siemian is now #2 in Denver after completing 61.5% of his passes this year and 60% over his two years in Denver.

Case Keenum has been completing 64% of his passes this year and is right at 60% for his career.

Matt Schaub is a 64% career passer.

Mike Glennon completed 66% of his passes this year and 61% for his career.

Kevin Hogan is at 64% this year for Cleveland. CLEVELAND!

Matt Moore has averaged 60% in his 7 years with Miami.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has hit 62.5% of his passes this year, and 62% in his career.

Brian Hoyer is a career 59% passer.

Matt Cassel is at 59.5% this year (and was 63% in his 4 years in NE).

Even Blaine Gabbert managed 61% in his last 3 years in San Francisco.

In the class of truly awful QBs, there are still plenty more who are a lot closer to 60% than 50%:
Brett Hundley: 59% this year
Ryan Mallett: 59% in his last 3 years with Baltimore
Scott Tolzien: 58% for his career
EJ Manuel: 58% for his career

And yep, even Scud has averaged a 66.5% completion percentage in his last 7 years in Carolina, after laughing it up with the Cardinals at 52% in 2010.

So that's PLENTY of backups with over 60% completion percentage, and at least HALF A LEAGUE of backup QBs with MUCH better accuracy than Stanton. There are almost NO QBs in the NFL who can't manage 50% completions, and the few there have been in the last few DECADES have generally been rookies. And as for backups i'd prefer over Stanton, I'd take most of the above, plus plenty of rookies or 2nd year guys who don't have enough attempts for me to list their completion percentage, but at least have the promise of possibly developing into decent long-term players with >55% completion percentage.

In 164 attempts over the last 3 years, somehow, incredibly, Stanton has managed to complete only 45% of his passes. This is an absurd, unheard-of level of inaccuracy.

Come on man. I actually thought he played decently for a backup last night (albeit against a D that was loaded up to stop the run, and had little respect for his ability to pass), and the number of good passes he had dropped was greater than the number of uncatchable passes. And he didn't throw any picks, and used his mobility well. But you just cannot possibly defend his accuracy.

...dave

Bravo

 

[Buckybird]

Stanton blows & anyone thinking otherwise hasn't watched the games!

Hasn't most of his wins for the Cards over the years occurred over gawd awful teams like the Lambs, Niners & other pitiful teams? I'd luv to see whom he beat & their record that year, other than the Gmen I can't think of 1 good team His stats don't lie even against bad teams IMO

Are you kidding?

Jacoby Brissett started the year as a 3rd stringer for NE, and has completed 61% of his passes this year, as well as 62% last year.

On that note, Garoppolo completed 68% of his passes last year and 67% in his 3 years with NE.

AJ McCarron completed 66% of his passes in a couple of starts for Cincinnati as a rookie.

Trevor Siemian is now #2 in Denver after completing 61.5% of his passes this year and 60% over his two years in Denver.

Case Keenum has been completing 64% of his passes this year and is right at 60% for his career.

Matt Schaub is a 64% career passer.

Mike Glennon completed 66% of his passes this year and 61% for his career.

Kevin Hogan is at 64% this year for Cleveland. CLEVELAND!

Matt Moore has averaged 60% in his 7 years with Miami.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has hit 62.5% of his passes this year, and 62% in his career.

Brian Hoyer is a career 59% passer.

Matt Cassel is at 59.5% this year (and was 63% in his 4 years in NE).

Even Blaine Gabbert managed 61% in his last 3 years in San Francisco.

In the class of truly awful QBs, there are still plenty more who are a lot closer to 60% than 50%:
Brett Hundley: 59% this year
Ryan Mallett: 59% in his last 3 years with Baltimore
Scott Tolzien: 58% for his career
EJ Manuel: 58% for his career

And yep, even Scud has averaged a 66.5% completion percentage in his last 7 years in Carolina, after laughing it up with the Cardinals at 52% in 2010.

So that's PLENTY of backups with over 60% completion percentage, and at least HALF A LEAGUE of backup QBs with MUCH better accuracy than Stanton. There are almost NO QBs in the NFL who can't manage 50% completions, and the few there have been in the last few DECADES have generally been rookies. And as for backups i'd prefer over Stanton, I'd take most of the above, plus plenty of rookies or 2nd year guys who don't have enough attempts for me to list their completion percentage, but at least have the promise of possibly developing into decent long-term players with >55% completion percentage.

In 164 attempts over the last 3 years, somehow, incredibly, Stanton has managed to complete only 45% of his passes. This is an absurd, unheard-of level of inaccuracy.

Come on man. I actually thought he played decently for a backup last night (albeit against a D that was loaded up to stop the run, and had little respect for his ability to pass), and the number of good passes he had dropped was greater than the number of uncatchable passes. And he didn't throw any picks, and used his mobility well. But you just cannot possibly defend his accuracy.

...dave

 

[daves]

I'd luv to see whom he beat & their record that year, other than the Gmen I can't think of 1 good team His stats don't lie even against bad teams IMO

He has had a few wins vs. good teams:

Ah, how i love pro-football-reference!

Starts for Detroit:
12-27-2009: at 8-8 San Francisco: 11-21-130-0-3, result: L 6-20
12-05-2010: vs 11-5 Chicago: 16-24-178-1-0, result: L 20-24
12-12-2010: vs 10-6 Green Bay: 10-22-117-1-2, result: W 7-3 (!)
12-19-2010: at 10-6 Tampa Bay: 23-37-252-1-0, result: W 23-20 * win vs. good team

Starts for Arizona:
09-14-2014: at 6-10 NY Giants: 14-29-167-0-0, result: W 25-14
09-21-2014: vs 8-8 San Francisco: 18-33-244-2-0, result: W 23-14
10-05-2014: at 12-4 Denver: 11-26-118-0-0, result: L 20-41
11-16-2014: vs 11-5 Detroit: 21-32-306-2-2, result: W 14-6 * win vs. good team
11-23-2014: at 12-4 Seattle: 14-26-149-0-1, result: L 3-19
11-30-2014: at 6-10 Atlanta: 24-39-294-1-2, result: L 18-29
12-07-2014: vs 9-7 Kansas City: 15-30-239-1-0, result: W 17-14 * win vs. good team
12-11-2014: at 6-10 St. Louis: 12-20-109-0-0, result: W 12-6
10-06-2016: at 2-14 San Francisco: 11-28-124-2-0, result: W 33-21
11-05-2017: at 0-9 San Francisco: 15-30-201-2-1, result: W 20-10
11-09-2017: vs 6-3 Seattle: 24-47-273-1-0, result: L 16-22

...dave

 

[Cardsmasochist]

Stanton throws more picks than touchdowns. Chris Collinsworth pointed out Stanton missed 4 or 5 wide open guys. If completed we score at least 1 more touchdown. And win. It didn’t help that our receivers dropped easy catches when Drew was accurate.


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[kerouac9]

He was awful. Terrible accuracy. Not in every case but the guys look like they are worried they are going to die trying to catch balls over the middle. Post game show Wofley was saying some garbage about how the Cardinals have to do this and that because of Stanton, run Peterson a million times ect....but that Stanton is such a tough guy or whatever. How about you put Gabbert in, throw the damn ball, and see what he has? Can't be worse. Absolutely cannot be worse than Drew. That was painful to watch.

You sound like someone who has never watched Blaine Gabbert play football. Gabbert might be the worst quarterback ever to play 45 games. He's terrible and gives the team zero chance to win unless the defense scores points.

what part of- he hit his receivers multiple times but they dropped the ball- do you not understand?
how lacking in critical thought do you have to be to not see that?
they have a week and a half off and are only 3-5.
this is highly likely

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I guess that outcome is POSSIBLE, but it's a bit of a stretch to say it's "likely". The Rams were 33 points better than us on a neutral field but they're gonna lose to us at home?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Stanton is a solid QB which by that I mean a backup QB and he knows his place, and you have to make plays when your back up is playing

 

[az jam]

I don't like Stanton. BA is painting a picture that it was the wrs fault only. That is BS. Keim's inability to address the QB position in the draft is the real problem and inexcusable.

 

[Buckybird]

He has had a few wins vs. good teams:

Ah, how i love pro-football-reference!

Starts for Detroit:
12-27-2009: at 8-8 San Francisco: 11-21-130-0-3, result: L 6-20
12-05-2010: vs 11-5 Chicago: 16-24-178-1-0, result: L 20-24
12-12-2010: vs 10-6 Green Bay: 10-22-117-1-2, result: W 7-3 (!)
12-19-2010: at 10-6 Tampa Bay: 23-37-252-1-0, result: W 23-20 * win vs. good team

Starts for Arizona:
09-14-2014: at 6-10 NY Giants: 14-29-167-0-0, result: W 25-14
09-21-2014: vs 8-8 San Francisco: 18-33-244-2-0, result: W 23-14
10-05-2014: at 12-4 Denver: 11-26-118-0-0, result: L 20-41
11-16-2014: vs 11-5 Detroit: 21-32-306-2-2, result: W 14-6 * win vs. good team
11-23-2014: at 12-4 Seattle: 14-26-149-0-1, result: L 3-19
11-30-2014: at 6-10 Atlanta: 24-39-294-1-2, result: L 18-29
12-07-2014: vs 9-7 Kansas City: 15-30-239-1-0, result: W 17-14 * win vs. good team
12-11-2014: at 6-10 St. Louis: 12-20-109-0-0, result: W 12-6
10-06-2016: at 2-14 San Francisco: 11-28-124-2-0, result: W 33-21
11-05-2017: at 0-9 San Francisco: 15-30-201-2-1, result: W 20-10
11-09-2017: vs 6-3 Seattle: 24-47-273-1-0, result: L 16-22

...dave

Thx for looking it up. Still he's dreadfully innacurate ugh

 

[AZCrazy]

Well, he's your starter next year unless he loses the rest of these upcoming games. So get your minds right.

 

[cardncubfan]

Are you kidding?

Jacoby Brissett started the year as a 3rd stringer for NE, and has completed 61% of his passes this year, as well as 62% last year.

On that note, Garoppolo completed 68% of his passes last year and 67% in his 3 years with NE.

AJ McCarron completed 66% of his passes in a couple of starts for Cincinnati as a rookie.

Trevor Siemian is now #2 in Denver after completing 61.5% of his passes this year and 60% over his two years in Denver.

Case Keenum has been completing 64% of his passes this year and is right at 60% for his career.

Matt Schaub is a 64% career passer.

Mike Glennon completed 66% of his passes this year and 61% for his career.

Kevin Hogan is at 64% this year for Cleveland. CLEVELAND!

Matt Moore has averaged 60% in his 7 years with Miami.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has hit 62.5% of his passes this year, and 62% in his career.

Brian Hoyer is a career 59% passer.

Matt Cassel is at 59.5% this year (and was 63% in his 4 years in NE).

Even Blaine Gabbert managed 61% in his last 3 years in San Francisco.

In the class of truly awful QBs, there are still plenty more who are a lot closer to 60% than 50%:
Brett Hundley: 59% this year
Ryan Mallett: 59% in his last 3 years with Baltimore
Scott Tolzien: 58% for his career
EJ Manuel: 58% for his career

And yep, even Scud has averaged a 66.5% completion percentage in his last 7 years in Carolina, after laughing it up with the Cardinals at 52% in 2010.

So that's PLENTY of backups with over 60% completion percentage, and at least HALF A LEAGUE of backup QBs with MUCH better accuracy than Stanton. There are almost NO QBs in the NFL who can't manage 50% completions, and the few there have been in the last few DECADES have generally been rookies. And as for backups i'd prefer over Stanton, I'd take most of the above, plus plenty of rookies or 2nd year guys who don't have enough attempts for me to list their completion percentage, but at least have the promise of possibly developing into decent long-term players with >55% completion percentage.

In 164 attempts over the last 3 years, somehow, incredibly, Stanton has managed to complete only 45% of his passes. This is an absurd, unheard-of level of inaccuracy.

Come on man. I actually thought he played decently for a backup last night (albeit against a D that was loaded up to stop the run, and had little respect for his ability to pass), and the number of good passes he had dropped was greater than the number of uncatchable passes. And he didn't throw any picks, and used his mobility well. But you just cannot possibly defend his accuracy.

...dave

Leave it to the rocket scientist to bring stats into the equation.

 

[JeffGollin]

Maybe some of the drops were because Stanton is erratic, the receivers were caught off guard that they didn't have to jumo or dive.

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Or maybe Stanton throws a hard-to-catch ball.

 

[Covert Rain]

Well, he's your starter next year unless he loses the rest of these upcoming games. So get your minds right.

Accepting that Stanton will be your future starter is the exact opposite of getting your mind right. LOL.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

He is a backup and not a starter sitting on the bench pretending to be a backup. Would some of you rather have Savage as your QB right now? I bet most of us, if not all, would love to be a backup qb in the NFL, being able to start a few games even if you aren't that good, passing to the likes of Fitzgerald, being able to say you played with A.P., not to mention showering with the guys, and hanging out in the locker room before and after games.

 

[cardinals]

You sound like someone who has never watched Blaine Gabbert play football. Gabbert might be the worst quarterback ever to play 45 games. He's terrible and gives the team zero chance to win unless the defense scores points.



I guess that outcome is POSSIBLE, but it's a bit of a stretch to say it's "likely". The Rams were 33 points better than us on a neutral field but they're gonna lose to us at home?

if youve watched division matches for years, you know by now they are often slow and plodding and seldom does one team win both of each division match no matter how bad the other team looks.
Cards-Rams-Seattle can still tie at 9-7..Seattle will lose to Falcons.. Niners found their mojo etc

 

[sdscard4]

Stanton is just like watching freaking McCown when he was here. I've never missed Carson so much. Hell I wanted to watch old Kurt games. Gabb was known as being pretty accurate and even at one time was rated higher than luck in college. Lets hope cause if Carson retires we're screwed