ASU 2010 LOI day

[Tyler]

I was curious as to what some of the more in the know people think about this years class. Personally based off the last 2 seasons I feel that CDE and his staff did a hell of a job, for us to come off 2 losing seasons and still pull a mid 20 to mid 30 class is pretty big. I dont think that this is a make or break year for CDE but if we arent atleast in a bowl game this year I think the seat will be on fire. Just wanted some thoughts.

 

[Gaddabout]

ASU did better than expected. Probably a top 30 or top 40 class while addressing come critical issues with some highly regarded JC olinemen and a receiver.

The problem is the rest of the Pac-10 did better. ASU probably has the No. 6 or No. 7 class in the conference. USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Stanford, and UW are the clear winners. It's a toss-up between ASU and UA for the next slot, I think.

 

[Renz]

This is Rivals rankings for the PAC-10 (with overall ranking in parentheses), FWIW.

USC (2)
UCLA (8)
California (11)
Oregon (13)
Stanford (27)
Washington (28)
ASU (35)
UofA (36)
Oregon St. (44)
Wash. St. (89)

 

[ajcardfan]

ASU did better than expected. Probably a top 30 or top 40 class while addressing come critical issues with some highly regarded JC olinemen and a receiver.

The problem is the rest of the Pac-10 did better. ASU probably has the No. 6 or No. 7 class in the conference. USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Stanford, and UW are the clear winners. It's a toss-up between ASU and UA for the next slot, I think.

Yeah, I agree with this. I was particularly impressed by how well Stanford did. I guess the good news is Harbaugh is going to be the head coach at Michigan by this time next year.

That said, the amount of attention this day is getting is a little silly. The NFL draft is controlled by the laws of physics compared to college recruiting and THAT is a crap shoot too. One of Bruce Snyder's least ballyhooed classes included Jake Plummer and Pat Tillman, and the rest was history. You just never really know, although it's pretty certain Florida wound up with a lot more really good players today than ASU did.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Football signing day is awful especially here in the Pac-10. It's a bunch of myopic fans arguing how a bunch of players they have never seen play except for short highlight reels are going to perform.

Oregon State finished ninth yet I'd be willing to bet they have a better record over the next five years than half the programs above them including the Arizona schools. Oregon and UW are going to significantly loosen USC's stranglehold on the conference if not take control themselves.

 

[Tyler]

Football signing day is awful especially here in the Pac-10. It's a bunch of myopic fans arguing how a bunch of players they have never seen play except for short highlight reels are going to perform.

Oregon State finished ninth yet I'd be willing to bet they have a better record over the next five years than half the programs above them including the Arizona schools. Oregon and UW are going to significantly loosen USC's stranglehold on the conference if not take control themselves.

Thanks for your amazing insight as to how you think ASU faired in recruiting this year following the past 2 crappy seasons. I think that you have given the best look into the holes that ASU has seemed to fill as well as what young guys might make an impact and what others might red shirt. Man you should really think about opening a recruiting service. You are just brilliant.

 

[Gaddabout]

One of Bruce Snyder's least ballyhooed classes included Jake Plummer and Pat Tillman, and the rest was history. You just never really know, although it's pretty certain Florida wound up with a lot more really good players today than ASU did.

Tillman was in the class after Plummer. Plummer was a highly-rated QB, very visible. Juan Roque was an AA defensive tackle. Also had Terry Battle and Michael Martin. Martin would have been a 5-star RB but he broke his leg before his senior season. Only reason ASU got him to be honest.

I believe that class was a Top 20 class.

 

[Gaddabout]

Football signing day is awful especially here in the Pac-10. It's a bunch of myopic fans arguing how a bunch of players they have never seen play except for short highlight reels are going to perform.

Oregon State finished ninth yet I'd be willing to bet they have a better record over the next five years than half the programs above them including the Arizona schools. Oregon and UW are going to significantly loosen USC's stranglehold on the conference if not take control themselves.

Interesting perspective from someone who spends a lot of time following basketball recruiting.

I have probably seen half the guys that signed in the Pac-10 today. In general, I don't disagree with the rankings. They look about right to me. I think what changes the game is when a program uses kids in unique ways (a fast linebacker recruit who becomes a weakside rush end, or a tight end who becomes a left tackle, etc.). Also, a lot of kids aren't finished growing into their bodies. But in terms of players right now, those rankings look about right.

 

[PoolBoy]

Thanks for your amazing insight as to how you think ASU faired in recruiting this year following the past 2 crappy seasons. I think that you have given the best look into the holes that ASU has seemed to fill as well as what young guys might make an impact and what others might red shirt. Man you should really think about opening a recruiting service. You are just brilliant.

typical. He doesn't have an opinion because he doesn't know, so no one does. awesome.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Thanks for your amazing insight as to how you think ASU faired in recruiting this year following the past 2 crappy seasons. I think that you have given the best look into the holes that ASU has seemed to fill as well as what young guys might make an impact and what others might red shirt. Man you should really think about opening a recruiting service. You are just brilliant.

I don't know or care how ASU has recruited. Nor should you as neither of us watch enough of these kids to determine value. We'll both know with 100% certainty how it plays out in a few years. It could be the worst class in the Pac-10 or it could be the best but odds are it's mediocre considering the rankings and Erickson and his staff's evaluating woes since he arrived in Tempe.

This isn't to prop up Arizona's class which odds are is just as average.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

typical. He doesn't have an opinion because he doesn't know, so no one does. awesome.

People who actually follow HS football have viable opinions - which isn't me, you, or tukeetyler.

All I can do is play the odds. Marginal recruiting ranking + struggling head coach most of the time doesn't equal monster recruiting class.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Interesting perspective from someone who spends a lot of time following basketball recruiting.

You should know that hoops and football recruiting are nothing alike. Although not exact it's much, much easier to project in basketball than in football. The AAU circuit allows the players to at least compete against each other albeit in a very undisciplined setting.

I have probably seen half the guys that signed in the Pac-10 today. In general, I don't disagree with the rankings. They look about right to me. I think what changes the game is when a program uses kids in unique ways (a fast linebacker recruit who becomes a weakside rush end, or a tight end who becomes a left tackle, etc.). Also, a lot of kids aren't finished growing into their bodies. But in terms of players right now, those rankings look about right.

You're watching that much Southern California high school football? I don't doubt you but half of the Pac-10 is about 125 players.

 

[Tyler]

People who actually follow HS football have viable opinions - which isn't me, you, or tukeetyler.

All I can do is play the odds. Marginal recruiting ranking + struggling head coach most of the time doesn't equal monster recruiting class.

That is why I asked for people more in the know than myself, you, and cuselaxfan for info. You didnt need to respond with a smart ass remark because you dont know. If you dont know dont answer, dont put your half a cent in that has nothing to do with the question. I asked a serious question that I am sure is on the minds of alot of ASU fans. Go back to your rat hole with your nonsesne.

 

[HooverDam]

It seems like a pretty good job by DE and the staff to get a class in the mid 20s to mid 30s considering its the worst 2 year stretch record wise in the history of ASU. Its not as heavy on JC guys as I had feared or as some idiots (Gambo and Ash) are making it out to be, and it addresses some key holes. I sure wish the Devils would've done better in the state of Arizona, but I guess you can't expect that when those kids have seen how bad they've been up close and in person.

 

[Gaddabout]

You're watching that much Southern California high school football? I don't doubt you but half of the Pac-10 is about 125 players.

Part of my job. We do exchanges with KNBC, KNTV, KSEE, KING, etc. We're building a high school site that will be launched this fall that will have massive video database.

 

[Gaddabout]

BTW, if it makes you feel any better on UA recruiting a QB, Chandler's Brett Hundley is bigger version of Rodney Peete and UA would have to piss on his grandma's grave to not get him. UA legacy and he's a legitimate elite QB.

 

[Gaddabout]

BTW, if it makes you feel any better on UA recruiting a QB, Chandler's Brett Hundley is bigger version of Rodney Peete and UA would have to piss on his grandma's grave to not get him. UA legacy and he's a legitimate elite QB.

OK. It actually does look like UA is blowing this. They haven't offered and they've already received another QB commit for the 2011 class. ASU, Stanford, Washington, Colorado, have had standing offers for months now.

I'm aghast. This is the best QB prospect Arizona's had since maybe Rodney Peete, he's a UA legacy, and UA hasn't offered yet? If ASU gets him ... wow.

UA has a serious play here. Still think if they make a push before summer they'll get him early. I would guess his next choice is Stanford. Straight A student.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You have to remember - this is the same head coach that didn't call his QB recruit for four days after his future offensive coordinator and position coach left the program. Mike Stoops just simply isn't a very smart guy.

Regardless, I assume we take two QB's in 2011 due to whiffing the last two classes.