ASU NB: 12 percent rule
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MaoTosiFanClub
The problem
I'll give it to the ASU PR and marketing people, they are the best in the Pac-10. They even have Gadd chugging the Noel Mazzone/Dennis Erickson kool-aid.
I wonder if Mazzone is going to mention that he was essentially run out of town from 100% of his last few college offensive coordinator jobs.
I wonder if Mazzone is going to mention that he was essentially run out of town from 100% of his last few college offensive coordinator jobs.
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Funny. I think I've pointed here and numerous times last spring on Cactus Ranch that Mazzone was an awful choice. No Kool Aid here. I *hate* the dink-and-dunk spread offense, so much that I once made Purdue one of my "10 College Football Teams to Hate" for it back in 2001 in a FanBoy column. And Mazzone's not even very good at it. If not for having the pluck of following Norm Chow at NCSU with Philip Rivers at QB, he would have virtually nothing to point at as a coach.
That said, he's still an improvement over the last guy and I still root for his success because (FYI) he's the offensive coordinator for my team. I ain't got no choice.
And I think his magic number is about right.
I don't think anyone was happy with the Mazzone hire, but what can we do about it now? Further bitching isn't going to accomplish anything.
With a new QB whos not Sullivan and a new system things have got to be better than last year. ASU doesn't need to light up the score board like they did under Koetter, but if they can be middle of the Pac, with their defense being real good, they should hopefully sneak into a bowl.
And I agree Doug Hallers coverage is terrific. Whatever theyre paying that guy isn't enough.
Its interesting to hear about ASU playing some 3-4, I hope we see that in these first two games. With their depth at LB and injuries to the D line it seems like a natural choice, even though ASU lacks a natural nose tackle.
With a new QB whos not Sullivan and a new system things have got to be better than last year. ASU doesn't need to light up the score board like they did under Koetter, but if they can be middle of the Pac, with their defense being real good, they should hopefully sneak into a bowl.
And I agree Doug Hallers coverage is terrific. Whatever theyre paying that guy isn't enough.
Its interesting to hear about ASU playing some 3-4, I hope we see that in these first two games. With their depth at LB and injuries to the D line it seems like a natural choice, even though ASU lacks a natural nose tackle.
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They've been running 30 nickel schemes for about a week and a half now. This sounds to me like they're to show more 30 base. They have the linebackers to do it though.
devilfan02
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12% of our plays alone will be penalties. We have been one of the most undisciplined teams in the country for a long time and that's not going to change because of a "12% rule." DE's teams are notorious for racking up the penalties.
It's no surprise that DE will ultimately get fired because of his failure to find a good offensive coordinator. Olsen was an utter embarrassment who basically didn't work while at ASU (rarely recruited and his offense speaks for itself). Mazzone was coaching high school football last year and the thought of a no-huddle offense outside of the 2-minute drill makes me want to puke. The only reason DE hired Mazzone is because our OL is a f'ing joke and the only way we'll move the ball is with quick strikes. In fact, we're 3 days from gameday and DE's still tinkering w/ the offensive line. It amazes me...
I still don't know why DE hires some of these guys??? It's no different than Koetter trusting Guy with our defense... M. Stoops is an awful head coach but he surrounded himself with good coordinators the last couple years which paid off. It's really not that difficult
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No disagreement here. At all.
MaoTosiFanClub
The problem
It's more than just the coordinators, UA has really good and well-connected assistants at the position coach level too. I've spoken with Mike Stoops briefly a couple times and I know dozens of boosters that are closer with him than me and probably less than 10% of us think he's any sort of football genius. The guy just has a boatload of really diverse connections all over the coaching world who are plugged in literally all over the country not just family members or other assorted cronies from the glory days.
As they say - it's not what you know it's who you know.
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And in college football, it's almost never the head coach. It's the staff, the staff, the staff. Wish we fans could put an end to the concept of the warrior poet savior head college football coach. There have been may two or three of those in my lifetime. But the quickest way to turn a program around is to hire a coach and give him money to throw at quality staff.
MaoTosiFanClub
The problem
That's because a lot of college fans still have this romantic view of college football where the head coach walks into the living room charming the mom into letting him play there followed by same coach actively mentoring the kid through graduation and on the field. In reality, head coaches do very little active recruiting because for the most part it's the connections on the local level that do the back room dealing and get the LOI signed. Then it's an army of tutors and other advisors who keep these kids in school while their position/strength coaches and graduate assistants handle most of their development.
Not saying college coaches don't do anything because they do work their tails off. After all sucking up to boosters, assisting with game plans and some recruiting, and keeping tabs on what's going on within your conference conference and nationally takes up a lot of time. But it's who the coaches delegate to that makes a difference. A major college football program is too much of a huge corporate machine these days for one guy to have his fingerprints on everything.
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