AW a Liability???

[Mitch]

Wilson's been like that for 10 years. People have been complaining about his free lancing and blowing coverages for as long as he's been on the team. Most people love his run defense and that's why every year a fan or two says he should be moved to LB.

Wilson is the poster boy for the Cardinals annual break but don't bend Defense. He'll make 2,3,4, solid plays and then just kill us with a blown coverage.

Post of the day---right on the $$$$.

Sad to say---because I think we all love Wilson's talent and his heart.

Alas, he is a defensive breakdown waiting to happen.

 

[Catfish]

Wilson has definitely become a liability in coverage. Even he admitted that he has trouble keeping from letting his eyes pull him out of position, (which is exactly what he did on the play where he should have had Steve Young over the top in coverage). That happened more that once too. He is a nice piece of the puzzle in blitz and (in the box) schemes, but he is also a liability in deep coverage. The sad thing is that it doesn't seem to be that he can't cover, but that he can't seem to get into the proper position to cover in zone.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I would draft his replacement next year. He is as useless as Roy Williams nowadays.

I thought we had him when we signed the UDFA Andrew Rich.

Then Rich decided he didn't want to play football for a living.

Strange situation that was.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't know why people are already assuming Peterson won't stay at CB, he's MUCH faster than Rolle ever was. The reason it was obvious Rolle wasn't a CB is he wasn't good playing the ball in the air like a CB has to but was great running to the ball, and because he wasn't fast enough. Peterson is plenty fast, not clear yet how good he'll be in coverage he's so young.

Put it this way it took him years but Brandon Browner is starting at CB in Seattle this year, he's 6'4" 221 pounds and not nearly as fast as Peterson, reports were he was their best CB in camp, better than Trufant, he played 4 years in the CFL after failing to stick as a UDFA in the NFL.

Rolle never had the physical tools to play CB, Peterson does, if he doesn't pan out at CB it'll be because of other things he's absolutely got the talent.

 

[SuperSpck]

I don't know why people are already assuming Peterson won't stay at CB, he's MUCH faster than Rolle ever was. The reason it was obvious Rolle wasn't a CB is he wasn't good playing the ball in the air like a CB has to but was great running to the ball, and because he wasn't fast enough. Peterson is plenty fast, not clear yet how good he'll be in coverage he's so young.

Rolle never had the physical tools to play CB, Peterson does, if he doesn't pan out at CB it'll be because of other things he's absolutely got the talent.

I agree with this.
Too different fish.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm not willing to accept that our drafting of DRC, Toler or PP21 (or the pickup of AJ) reflects our poor drafting of CB's.

Just because a guy gets traded or injured doesn't mean we exercised poor drafting judgment.

Nor do I think it's a given that Peterson is destined to become a safety.

 

[desertdawg]

Adrian is back on the court too soon IMO, but I can't even run my household. Might be a gotta have your best guys out there kinda thing. Horton has shown me in game 1 that he is for real with the blitz. I watched a lot of Cam Newton last year as well as a lot of NFL, most QBs won't do that well. I fully understand that AW is a liability if the opposing offense does their homework and runs a few plays at him. Happened last year, Wilson would be in the right place (sorta) but he would get burned.

I think PP is best off defending whatever primary receiver we are facing each week once he gets his game together, Deon style. Once he learns his Ps and Qs he'll know when to separate from his responsibility and make a play on the ball. Just has to learn his responsibilty is the number one priority. This kid can motor. I would like t see him in the blitz as well, if we can send Money Mike...

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't know why people are already assuming Peterson won't stay at CB, he's MUCH faster than Rolle ever was. The reason it was obvious Rolle wasn't a CB is he wasn't good playing the ball in the air like a CB has to but was great running to the ball, and because he wasn't fast enough. Peterson is plenty fast, not clear yet how good he'll be in coverage he's so young.

Put it this way it took him years but Brandon Browner is starting at CB in Seattle this year, he's 6'4" 221 pounds and not nearly as fast as Peterson, reports were he was their best CB in camp, better than Trufant, he played 4 years in the CFL after failing to stick as a UDFA in the NFL.

Rolle never had the physical tools to play CB, Peterson does, if he doesn't pan out at CB it'll be because of other things he's absolutely got the talent.

Browner out of Oregon St.?

 

[Chopper0080]

Not last week. Or last year, outside of the Rams game to begint he season. He gets stoned in pass rush regularly now (happened a lot last week--when was the last time you saw Adrian Wilson anywhere near a quarterback?), and he doesn't wrap up runners--Brian Westbrook embarrassed him repeatedly.

The Cards would be well advised to draft two safeties next year, because Rashad Johnson is flat-out awful and probably only made the roster by grace of Wilson's injury.

It's a good thing we gave up a second-round pick in next year's draft, because we hardly have any needs going into the 2012 season.

Pure early speculation, but if we draft in the middle of the draft, don't be surprised when we trade back in the first round. Next years draft seems to be heavy at LB, and I don't see many going that high. If the top offensive tackles go off the board before we pick, look for to trade back and draft a ILB and OLB/OT with our first two picks.

 

[Russ Smith]

Browner out of Oregon St.?

Yep he's a starting CB in Seattle now.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I don't know why people are already assuming Peterson won't stay at CB, he's MUCH faster than Rolle ever was. The reason it was obvious Rolle wasn't a CB is he wasn't good playing the ball in the air like a CB has to but was great running to the ball, and because he wasn't fast enough. Peterson is plenty fast, not clear yet how good he'll be in coverage he's so young.

Put it this way it took him years but Brandon Browner is starting at CB in Seattle this year, he's 6'4" 221 pounds and not nearly as fast as Peterson, reports were he was their best CB in camp, better than Trufant, he played 4 years in the CFL after failing to stick as a UDFA in the NFL.

Rolle never had the physical tools to play CB, Peterson does, if he doesn't pan out at CB it'll be because of other things he's absolutely got the talent.

Yep, totally agree. PP21 will be a CB.

 

[fball13]

Wilson's been like that for 10 years. People have been complaining about his free lancing and blowing coverages for as long as he's been on the team. Most people love his run defense and that's why every year a fan or two says he should be moved to LB.

Wilson is the poster boy for the Cardinals annual break but don't bend Defense. He'll make 2,3,4, solid plays and then just kill us with a blown coverage.

You're exactly right... to be honest, I've never understood why he's ever been a pro-bowl SS. It seems to me that he's gotten there by being a 'Sportscenter Player'. He makes the big hit, a nice sack, possibly an interception in the curl/hook zone (when at LB depth), ends up on sportscenter. What most people miss are that the other game highlights usually showing 2 TDs by Vernon Davis or 150 yards by Gates were AW's responsibility.

I get that coaches have to gameplan him and respect his skills... but that's because he's unpredictable and dangerous at the LOS. I'm certain that week to week the opposing offense is keying him in deep coverage.

Lastly on my AW bash (I know I need to lighten up), I hate the way he doesn't own up. Saying "I got nosy" is a huge understatement... he freaking blew a play that cost the team 1/3 of all the points allowed. He is the team leader. Come out and say that you blew the play and are going to work you a** off to stop making mental mistakes. If it weren't for the overly animated Rhodes WTF looks on the play, I doubt he would've even admitted to being 'nosey'.

I think we need to start tracking AW's Nosey stats... how many times a game, he has mental lapses..errr.... get's nosey. I would say the over/under this week should be set at 5.

 

[AzCardzFan]

ADub has been a known liability in coverage for years now, its just getting more noticeable with his age. Say what you want but hes still one of the top safeties in the NFL.

What is a SS job the majority of the defensive snaps? I am assuming that it would be pass coverage instead of being at the LOS, right? In that case why would A-Dub be considered a top safety when he sucks at his MAIN job...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

What is a SS job the majority of the defensive snaps? I am assuming that it would be pass coverage instead of being at the LOS, right? In that case why would A-Dub be considered a top safety when he sucks at his MAIN job...[/QUOTE]

This point is overstated.

If this were the case he wouldn't have recently been an All-Pro, which should be distinguished from a Pro Bowler that, neverthless, he was voted to after last season.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

You're exactly right... to be honest, I've never understood why he's ever been a pro-bowl SS. It seems to me that he's gotten there by being a 'Sportscenter Player'. He makes the big hit, a nice sack, possibly an interception in the curl/hook zone (when at LB depth), ends up on sportscenter. What most people miss are that the other game highlights usually showing 2 TDs by Vernon Davis or 150 yards by Gates were AW's responsibility.

I get that coaches have to gameplan him and respect his skills... but that's because he's unpredictable and dangerous at the LOS. I'm certain that week to week the opposing offense is keying him in deep coverage.

Lastly on my AW bash (I know I need to lighten up), I hate the way he doesn't own up. Saying "I got nosy" is a huge understatement... he freaking blew a play that cost the team 1/3 of all the points allowed. He is the team leader. Come out and say that you blew the play and are going to work you a** off to stop making mental mistakes. If it weren't for the overly animated Rhodes WTF looks on the play, I doubt he would've even admitted to being 'nosey'.

I think we need to start tracking AW's Nosey stats... how many times a game, he has mental lapses..errr.... get's nosey. I would say the over/under this week should be set at 5.

Sportscenter highlights may lead to a Pro Bowl, but it doesn't get you an All-Pro designation, and AW had that two seasons ago.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Who was the real freelancer in the AW - A. Rolle tandem?

According to people from the Cards, it was AW.

It was funny when Rhodes kept looking back at him on the Smith TD.

 

[Russ Smith]

According to people from the Cards, it was AW.

It was funny when Rhodes kept looking back at him on the Smith TD.

They both did, several of us said that at the time when AW came out and made his comments about how Rhodes would be in position and that's a nice change(or however he said it). yes he was calling out Rolle but several of us then also pointed out he does the exact same thing himself.

Even on the play in question Rhodes made a mistake too, if you watch he clearly thought the hot read was the quick out to Smith and he jumped that route. If Newton threw it, picksix, but he didn't and it's a TD. Sure it's AW's fault there's no over the top help, but the reason the guy was that open is that Rhodes went for the pick, if he doesn't guess the route there is at least the chance that he can cover Smith long enough to allow the blitz to get to Newton.

Of course they would have just called us for roughing Newton anyways !

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

They both did, several of us said that at the time when AW came out and made his comments about how Rhodes would be in position and that's a nice change(or however he said it). yes he was calling out Rolle but several of us then also pointed out he does the exact same thing himself.

Even on the play in question Rhodes made a mistake too, if you watch he clearly thought the hot read was the quick out to Smith and he jumped that route. If Newton threw it, picksix, but he didn't and it's a TD. Sure it's AW's fault there's no over the top help, but the reason the guy was that open is that Rhodes went for the pick, if he doesn't guess the route there is at least the chance that he can cover Smith long enough to allow the blitz to get to Newton.

Of course they would have just called us for roughing Newton anyways !

I was just going by what some Cards people told me when I with them in Seattle last year. I'm sure they both have freelanced but, to my surprise, AW does it quite often and it did become a sore spot between him and Rolle.

 

[fball13]

Sportscenter highlights may lead to a Pro Bowl, but it doesn't get you an All-Pro designation, and AW had that two seasons ago.

Good point, although it's still a designation from the sports writers, not the coaches. Strong Safety is a lower profile position, so the writers seem to run with the 'known names' at that position... with that said, it does carry more clout than pro bowl.

 

[Duckjake]

Good point, although it's still a designation from the sports writers, not the coaches. Strong Safety is a lower profile position, so the writers seem to run with the 'known names' at that position... with that said, it does carry more clout than pro bowl.

One note about the 2009 All-Pro teams. Adrian Wilson didn't make the Sporting News first team. But Darnell Dockett did. Fitz was also on the SN team.

 

[kerouac9]

Pure early speculation, but if we draft in the middle of the draft, don't be surprised when we trade back in the first round. Next years draft seems to be heavy at LB, and I don't see many going that high. If the top offensive tackles go off the board before we pick, look for to trade back and draft a ILB and OLB/OT with our first two picks.

Maybe, but you need a trade partner to trade back and pick up an extra 3rd (which is what would probably happen).

I doubt that we'll get an ILB anywhere in the first three rounds, though. Daryl Washington, Stewart Bradley, and Paris Lenon are all under contract for 2012. It'll be OT or rush linebacker in the first round.

You have to hope that one of the QBs falls into the middle of the first somehow and someone wants to come up and get him.

There was lots of miscommunication in the secondary last week. Lots and lots. I think we used two or three defensive timeouts last week, and there was panicked communications between the safeties and corners. That's something that needs to be straightened out.

 

[bankybruce]

Looks like it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

why is ther question marks. He's terrible.

 

[john h]

AW isn't a liability, I think he is an average safety in coverage. However in the box and on blitzes he's one of the best.

While trying to help our two CB's AW is going to look as bad as they look. Yes he nearing the end of a great career.

 

[ARZCardinals]

AW is a liability

If I'm running an offense going against the Cardinals I try to match up my TE's and WR's on Wilson. Goal would be 15-20 yard routes...not a chance in (you know where) that he stops it.

Wilson has blown all my good will towards him.
Love that he tried to return from the injury as fast as he could, but for 2 years now his lack of coverage skills, mental lapses in scheme and now his lack of production have caught up with him - not to mention his speed is far worse than ever before.

Replacement needed.