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I've been awol since the Eagles were slain because my computer died. Took this long to get the repairs done.

A reporter tracked me down through a real estate listing by calling my realtor who then called me. I then contacted him. His name is Dennis Wagner. We talked for just over half an hour. He had checked out the ASFN web site already.

He's doing a piece on long time Cards fans and our views on all kinds of things related to football. I told him about John Holt and Jeff Gollin and how all this came about starting from Lee Shappell and the old AOL card's corner.

Should be published soon. I plugged Jim Omohundro and many others. We talked a lot about the experiences in SDS and lots of other stuff. Told him about BIM's meet ASFN outside section 121.

He loved this stuff but I might have killed some of his favorite points because I put some stuff off limits after I gave him true answers. Very nice man. Sorry. He will probably truncate some of what he intended to write.

He kept wanting me to bash "cheap" Bill Bidwill as the only reason the Cards have sucked for so long. I refused and told him he's wasting his time. We don't get to choose owners. So I explained in detail my views and he was appreciative. Some of that might make the article.

Anyway, look for it.
 

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WELCOME Back SKORPP...

So, how do you like seeing a dream come true?? Has it really hit you yet?? I find myself smiling alot, and talking to total strangers just so I can plug the Cards. These are FUN days. :D
 

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I've been awol since the Eagles were slain because my computer died. Took this long to get the repairs done.

A reporter tracked me down through a real estate listing by calling my realtor who then called me. I then contacted him. His name is Dennis Wagner. We talked for just over half an hour. He had checked out the ASFN web site already.

He's doing a piece on long time Cards fans and our views on all kinds of things related to football. I told him about John Holt and Jeff Gollin and how all this came about starting from Lee Shappell and the old AOL card's corner.

Should be published soon. I plugged Jim Omohundro and many others. We talked a lot about the experiences in SDS and lots of other stuff. Told him about BIM's meet ASFN outside section 121.

He loved this stuff but I might have killed some of his favorite points because I put some stuff off limits after I gave him true answers. Very nice man. Sorry. He will probably truncate some of what he intended to write.

He kept wanting me to bash "cheap" Bill Bidwill as the only reason the Cards have sucked for so long. I refused and told him he's wasting his time. We don't get to choose owners. So I explained in detail my views and he was appreciative. Some of that might make the article.

Anyway, look for it.

I am looking forward to it Skkorp.

You would be the PERFECT person to respresent ASFN!

And, ANY TIME you ever have computer problems ? You can contact me. I am pretty good with the fickle piles of transistors, cheap plastic, and metal.
 

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Glad to see you're back Skkorp, was concerned about you. Let us know when the article comes out and I will buy a paper.
 

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Thank you for representing all of our fans in such a positive manner.
 

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Thanks. Can't wait to read it.

I've been saving all the papers since we won the NFC. Your interview will be a great addition to the scrapbook.
 

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I try to guard against delusions of grandeur, but I truly believe that the Cardinal die-hards who started on Cards Corner and "were fruitful and multiplied"; becoming active on this board and others - have had something to do with the success the team is now enjoying.

For example, how many of us - Arizonians and out of towners alike - lobbied Arizona politicians to encourage them to OK the building of the stadium?
 

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I try to guard against delusions of grandeur, but I truly believe that the Cardinal die-hards who started on Cards Corner and "were fruitful and multiplied"; becoming active on this board and others - have had something to do with the success the team is now enjoying.

For example, how many of us - Arizonians and out of towners alike - lobbied Arizona politicians to encourage them to OK the building of the stadium?

Without the FANS everything stops. We're currently climbing the Peak, to see the many valleys below. It's been quite a journey.
 

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I try to guard against delusions of grandeur, but I truly believe that the Cardinal die-hards who started on Cards Corner and "were fruitful and multiplied"; becoming active on this board and others - have had something to do with the success the team is now enjoying.

For example, how many of us - Arizonians and out of towners alike - lobbied Arizona politicians to encourage them to OK the building of the stadium?

Shout out to Zeno, who introduced me to CardsCorner way back in the day. If it weren't for him I never would have been able to stay so in touch with Cardinals news while I lived in Californa.

Some of the coolest experiences I had there were getting to know Kwame Lassiter (classy and funny guy) and a very memorable experience when Larry Centers left.

After Centers was let go, he was getting bashed for being undersized and that we'd be better without him. I posted an opposite view. That for many years he was one of the only guys we had worth watching. He gave his heart and soul to the team and would literally drag the opposing team down the field, despite being undersized for a FB, and for that I was grateful. Shortly after I got a "Thank you" email from someone pretending to be Larry. I told the person, whether he's Larry or not, that I was glad he had another fan who appreciated his efforts.

Much to my surprise, I received another email from the same person, this time with a video attachment. It was Larry Centers, in his home, sitting in front of his computer personally thanking me by name for supporting him. My jaw about hit the floor. That is by far and away the coolest experience I've ever had with a Cardinals player, and one that never would have happened if it weren't for CardsCorner.

Jim, thanks for getting this board together so that all of those old connections weren't lost and thanks for representing us so well!
 
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It was great to see you again at the NFC Championship halftime meet!

Can't wait to read the piece in the paper.
 

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Shout out to Zeno, who introduced me to CardsCorner way back in the day. If it weren't for him I never would have been able to stay so in touch with Cardinals news while I lived in Californa.

Some of the coolest experiences I had there were getting to know Kwame Lassiter (classy and funny guy) and a very memorable experience when Larry Centers left.

After Centers was let go, he was getting bashed for being undersized and that we'd be better without him. I posted an opposite view. That for many years he was one of the only guys we had worth watching. He gave his heat and soul to the team and would literally drag the opposing team down the field, despite being undersized for a FB, and for that I was grateful. Shortly after I got a "Thank you" email from someone pretending to be Larry. I told the person, whether he's Larry or not, that I was glad he had another fan who appreciated his efforts.

Much to my surprise, I received another email from the same person, this time with a video attachment. It was Larry Centers, in his home, sitting in front of his computer personally thanking me by name for supporting him. My jaw about hit the floor. That is by far and away the coolest experience I've ever had with a Cardinals player, and one that never would have happened if it weren't for CardsCorner.

Jim, thanks for getting this board together so that all of those old connections weren't lost and thanks for representing us so well!

Wow, that is one cool Larry Centers story! That dude was the absolute man. The way he used to throw his shoulder into much larger DEs and smash them before releasing into the flat was unprecedented and remains unduplicated.

Still 16th in NFL history on the receptions list. I hope Larry is somewhere smiling about this Cardinals run, no one can ever say they played any harder than him. At least he achieved some semblance of immortality through the "Larry Brown hurdle" they used in Jerry Maguire.

Someday he should be signing "HOF" after his name.....
 

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Nope. Lee is very much alive, thank goodness.

After he left the Valley he wound up in Denver.

While he was covering the Cards, I met with him once for brunch on Game Day when I was in AZ and once when the Giants hosted the Cards.

For those too young or with short memories, Lee Shappell covered the Cards for the AZ Republic in much the same way Kent S does now and Darren U did for the EVT.

What impressed me most about him was that, unlike many members of the local media who displayed an eagerness to bash the Cardinals at every opportunity, Lee was much fairer and more balanced in his coverage. Good guy.
 

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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/30/20090130superfans0130-CP.html

Out-of-state ties test fan loyalties

by Dennis Wagner - Jan. 30, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

Tempe insurance agent Mark Davis, born 60 miles west of Pittsburgh, has been a Steelers fan since he was knee-high to a coal miner.

Come Sunday, however, he'll be cheering for the team in red from Arizona.

"This will be the very first time in my 54 years that I'll be rooting against the Steelers," Davis said. "Gotta go for the hometown boys now, the Cardinals. I just switched this week."

Joe Barrella, a 41-year-old Phoenix auto-parts courier, also became part of Steelers Nation as a child, inheriting a rabid loyalty from his grandpa.

Come Sunday, Barrella will be at Harold's Corral in Cave Creek, leading an expected 4,000 Pennsylvania expatriates in chants for the team from Pittsburgh.

"I have two football teams," Barrella said, "the Steelers and anybody who beats the Cardinals. I'm a Cardinals hater."

When it comes to team loyalty, there's nothing like a Super Bowl to separate the fanatic from the fan, the die-hard from the fair-weather follower.

This year's championship is proving especially difficult for Arizonans, most of whom moved here from some other place, with allegiance to some other team.

As a native of Pennsylvania and mayor of Cave Creek, Vincent Francia knows the angst firsthand. This week, he will join longtime friends watching the game at Harold's, cheering with a lonely voice for a Redbirds win.

"I felt it best to declare my allegiance before I confront the terrible gold towels," Francia said, a tad nervously. "It was difficult. I was born in Pittsburgh. There's a lot of natal feeling. But Arizona is my home for 20 years. So, go Cardinals!"

Fans are big business

Psychologists and marketing gurus collectively scratch their heads trying to figure out what makes fans tick and what makes them stick.

Why do some teams boast endless sellouts while others have half-empty stadiums?

Why do some people remain faithful for life, no matter where they live, while others adopt whatever franchise is geographically nearest?

There is a reason for so much interest: money.

Professional-sports franchises spend big bucks figuring out how to attract fans and bring in more cash to ticket windows and concession stands.

The market is huge. In national surveys, two out of three Americans claim to be NFL fans. The Super Bowl magnifies the stakes because it is, uh, the Super Bowl of television advertising.Academic researchers treat spectators almost as lab rats. They write reports on "Fan Affiliation and Tribal Behavior" or "The Role of Cognitive Development and Socialization in the Initial Development of Team Loyalty."

One oft-quoted study by Arizona State University psychology Professor Robert Cialdini began when he noticed that students on campus were more likely to wear Sun Devils jerseys the Monday after a victory.

Cialdini coined the term "BIRGing" - basking in reflective glory - to describe fans who say "we" won after a victory. After defeat, those same people engage in "CORFing" - cutting off reflected failure - and complain that "they" lost.

Other research breaks down the fan experience based on eight factors: self-esteem, escape, entertainment, economic interest, aesthetics, group affiliation, family and excitement.

Even sex plays a role. A study at Indiana University found that die-hard fans feel sexier after their team wins. Researchers at the University of Georgia found a correlation between victory and increased testosterone levels.

The experts go on and on, sometimes arguing like Monday-morning quarterbacks.

How did the Dallas Cowboys become "America's Team" while the Cardinals were not even Arizona's team until last month?

Why do the Steelers have fan clubs all over America, while the Cardinals don't even have a fan club in the Valley?

Loyalty tied to emotion

Robert Passikoff, a psychologist and founder of Brand Keys Inc., a consulting company in New York, said the search for logical explanations may fall short. "Loyalty to anything - I don't care if it's a team, a car or a cola - is more emotional than rational."

Nevertheless, Passikoff developed a fan index based on four factors that he says are the keys to dedicated sports spectators: excitement, team integrity, bonding with players and tradition.

Passikoff ranks Steelers fans sixth in loyalty among 32 NFL teams; the Cardinals are No. 18. However, he said, those ratings are likely to change because franchises that make it to championship games typically get a 10 percentage point bump in fan allegiance the next year."Certainly, there's an aspect of 'everybody wants to be associated with a winner,' " he said.

Dan Wann, a psychology professor at Murray State University in Kentucky, said what's difficult to fathom is why some fans, such as the Cardinals' or Chicago Cubs', remain loyal through years of their team's misery. There is no correlation with divorce rates, political views or personality traits, he said. "We keep looking. So far, nothing."

Fans welcomed back

Jim Skane of Sun City, who hasn't missed a home Cardinals game since 1992, is one of the hardy few. For years, he managed arizonasportsfans.com for fans trying to escape negative news coverage of the team. The Web site now has new operators.

Skane recalls the Cardinals fan base dropping to about 22,000, but he didn't blame those who defected. "That was during the really dark years, and there were many. The team was terrible."

In the same spirit, Skane said he welcomes fair-weather fans back on the bandwagon and thrills at the sight of a stadium oozing Cardinals colors. "No resentments. Come on board."


Dan Piacquadio, a partner at Harold's Corral, is not so magnanimous about Steelers fans who leave the fold. "Sacrilegious," he said. "If you're a die-hard, you don't switch."

At Harold's, the most zealous fans pay $75 a season to reserve a stool at the bar during Pittsburgh games. They can watch Piacquadio slide through a pyramid of shaving cream when the Steelers win. "It's like one big family," he said.

Barrella, the Cardinals hater, cannot comprehend someone turning his or her back on the family. He was dumbfounded to meet someone during the playoffs who rooted for the Cardinals while wearing a Pittsburgh jersey.

"I said, 'What? You're not a true Steelers fan!' And I walked away. He was dumb."

Davis, the longtime Steelers fan and Tempe resident, makes no apologies. Rather than betrayal, he said, changing teams is a mark of loyalty to his adopted home, Arizona. It just took him a while because the local team stunk.

"But, again, who wants to be associated with 'em when they were losing?" Davis said. "Winning changes everything."
 

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Idiot like Barrella should be given a one-way bus ticket back to Pittsburgh
 

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I hate looking at that dumb "This is Steelers Country" sign at Harold's every time I go into town.

Refuse to go there. Will not take out-of-town company there.
 

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