AZCentral: T-Mac talks stall; Suns trade down

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I did not have a problem with the deal, but the Phoenix Suns maybe kicking themselves if Andre Iguodala slips to #7. Of course even if he is there at #7 there really is no way of knowing if he would have been there if they had not traded. In the end I think they made the right move, especially if they are still considering acquiring Tracy McGrady.

I'm beginning to wonder whether the Phoenix Suns ever really did offer JJ in the deal.

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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/0624nbadraft0624.html

T-Mac talks stall; Suns trade down
Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 24, 2004 12:00 AM


In the end, the Suns did exactly what was initially expected.

Phoenix, which had appeared close to pulling off a trade for Orlando guard Tracy McGrady, gave today's No. 7 draft pick to Chicago for a second-round pick and a future first-rounder, positioning itself for a shopping spree in the free-agent market.

Phoenix gave the pick to the Bulls on Wednesday in exchange for today's No. 31 draft pick (a second-round choice), a conditional future first-round pick and $3 million, according to several people close to the deal.

Phoenix still will announce the No. 7 pick but then will deal it to Chicago because of league rules

The $3 million replaces the amount Phoenix gave Charlotte to entice the Bobcats to take Jahidi White and his salary in Tuesday's expansion draft.

The agreement with the Bulls came Wednesday after the Suns' talks with Orlando stalled. A trade for McGrady would have sent Olympic-bound forward Shawn Marion, the No. 7 pick and another Suns player to Orlando.

The Magic wanted budding guard Joe Johnson, but Phoenix was unwilling to part with him and offered swingman Casey Jacobsen instead.

When Orlando General Manager John Weisbrod announced that a predraft trade of McGrady was unlikely, Phoenix closed the deal with Chicago.

The Suns will continue to talk with Orlando about McGrady, a league official said. Weisbrod said seven teams' offers are being considered.

ESPN reported that McGrady, last season's NBA scoring champion and an All-Star in each of his four seasons in Orlando, was willing to sign a long-term contract extension only with Houston. McGrady can opt out of his seven-year, $93 million contract after next season.

The Suns decided that last season's youngest team did not need another player in today's draft who could not make an immediate impact. The team's need for leadership, toughness and rebounding may be better filled through free agency, where Steve Nash of Dallas and Mehmet Okur of Detroit are expected to be among the targets.

The Suns dropped out of the first round, where picks are guaranteed three-year contracts, and bumped up their salary-cap room to $16.3 million. The increased financial flexibility will help them in the free-agency period that begins in a week.

The 31st pick will be the Suns' only draft choice today.

The first-rounder that Phoenix acquired from Chicago could be a high one, barring a Bulls turnaround from a 23-59 season. Phoenix will get the pick next June unless it falls in the top three. Chicago would keep the pick in 2006 only if it were the No. 1 choice. It is unprotected beyond that.

The Suns' hope at No. 7 would have been that Arizona swingman Andre Iguodala, Connecticut point guard Ben Gordon or Peoria (Ill.) Central High point guard Shaun Livingston fell to the seventh pick. That appeared doubtful.

Chicago is said to be targeting Iguodala or Oregon's Luke Jackson at No. 7. The Bulls also may trade the pick.

This will be the first time the Suns will be first-round spectators since 2001. The No. 7 choice would have been Phoenix's highest in 16 years.

Orlando's choice atop the draft seemed to be leaning toward Atlanta high school star Dwight Howard over Connecticut center Emeka Okafor, a stellar defender with questions about his back and his offensive skills.

Charlotte, with the second pick, would take the big man Orlando does not. From there, Iguodala, Livingston and Gordon figure to go next.

The stock of Duke's Luol Deng seems to be slipping over his questioned athleticism.
 

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Okay, it's done. No more bitching from me. Let's see what we can do with the cap money we do have and the pick from Chicago.

Personally, I'm pleased the McGrady deal collapsed.
 

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So is Shawn Marion going to be happy about being thrown into tons of trade rumors and the Suns only claiming that JJ was not going to be traded ?!?
 

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The Suns and the local papers continue to insist that they NEVER offered JJ. Yet somehow people on this board continue to insist that they did, which is why the Suns offer is so much better than the Houston offer.

It is a simple problem Without JJ, there isn't a deal. But giving away Shawn and JJ seriously weakens the team, so much that even adding a star like T-Mac won't help. Add in the fact that T-Mac doesn't want to come to a depleted Suns team and won't agree to waive his "opt out", I think it is fruitless to keep obsessing about it.
 

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slinslin said:
So is Shawn Marion going to be happy about being thrown into tons of trade rumors and the Suns only claiming that JJ was not going to be traded ?!?

i heard an interview with marion yesterday, he seemed cool about the talk and seemed to realize it was just a business. who knows how he really feels though.
 

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offset said:
i heard an interview with marion yesterday, he seemed cool about the talk and seemed to realize it was just a business. who knows how he really feels though.

It would be different if he was being offered for cap space or some second line player. Being mentioned in the same breath as T-Mac is hardly an insult.
 

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Word is that McGrady has been pulling a power play with Orlando, telling them that Houston is the only team where he will sign an extension.

If thats true, we don't want him.

BTW, in so many ways, he reminds me of Penny. And just to get a little discussion going--Penny (in his prime) was a better player than McGrady is. :D
 

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offset said:
i heard an interview with marion yesterday, he seemed cool about the talk and seemed to realize it was just a business. who knows how he really feels though.


Marion will make about $80 million regardless of where he plays.

If he realizes the significance of that he shouldn't have a problem.
 

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offset said:
i heard an interview with marion yesterday, he seemed cool about the talk and seemed to realize it was just a business. who knows how he really feels though.

Hell, at the very least the guy is finally going to have a summer off, and he might come out with fire in his eyes after being almost traded.

The more i calm down, I realize that it's probably better we didnt give up our entire team for Tmac. JJ, Marion, and Amare is a very exciting young core. All Phoenix needs to do is add some QUALITY free agents that know how to play and I think they'll compete this year.

Im still a little mad that they traded the pick.
 

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WastedFate said:
Hell, at the very least the guy is finally going to have a summer off, and he might come out with fire in his eyes after being almost traded.

no summer off......he is in the olympics.
 

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thegrahamcrackr said:
Think the suns back out of the deal if someone unexpected slips?

Makes sense.

The trade can't be completed yet. The Suns owe San Antonio a future pick so the suns would have to pick for Chicago and send the rights to that player to Chicago.
That could make it complicated to trade #7 to Indiana....
 

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slinslin said:
Makes sense.

The trade can't be completed yet. The Suns owe San Antonio a future pick so the suns would have to pick for Chicago and send the rights to that player to Chicago.
That could make it complicated to trade #7 to Indiana....


Exactly. Joe mentionin Iggy falling has convinced me. I think he will be the casualty of the Mavs moving up....

1. Howard
2. Okafor
3. Gordon
4. Harris
5. Pavel
6. Livingston
 
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thegrahamcrackr said:
Exactly. Joe mentionin Iggy falling has convinced me. I think he will be the casualty of the Mavs moving up....

1. Howard
2. Okafor
3. Gordon
4. Harris
5. Pavel
6. Livingston

I don't see Harris in that top six. I also don't think the Phoenix Suns can back out of the trade now. Legally they might be able to do it, but I believe it would be kind of like a district attorney taking an offer of community of the table if he doesn't like what he hears from a witness.

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Neither the Suns nor Bulls team sites have anything official about the trade...

Phoenix might have very well told the Bulls that if a certain player is on the board at #7 that they will back out of the trade...

Suns.com is only quoting a tribune article...
 

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Joe Mama said:
I don't see Harris in that top six. I also don't think the Phoenix Suns can back out of the trade now. Legally they might be able to do it, but I believe it would be kind of like a district attorney taking an offer of community of the table if he doesn't like what he hears from a witness.

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If Chi takes Gordon, I think LA will take Harris. Supposedly his best workout was there, and they are clearly wanting a PG. Livingston could go there, but I dont thinkt he Clipps get a HS kid.


DA's always offer immunity, on the condition what the witness says is relevant. At least thats how it works on tv ;)
 

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All right, it's official.

I am bored with all these threads, all about the same thing. :D
 

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George O'Brien said:
It is a simple problem Without JJ, there isn't a deal. But giving away Shawn and JJ seriously weakens the team, so much that even adding a star like T-Mac won't help. Add in the fact that T-Mac doesn't want to come to a depleted Suns team and won't agree to waive his "opt out", I think it is fruitless to keep obsessing about it.



There is one major problem with this argument. Shawn Marion and Joe Johnson are not only replaceable, but we have the money to replace them. You can go into free agency and find players comprable in talent to Johnson and Marion; you won't find anyone as talented as McGrady. (With the exception of Bryant, who by all accounts is staying in L.A.) I always trade good for great. Good news, looks like our "big targets" indeed are going to be Nash, who will weaken our poor defense even more, and Okur, who didn't see the light of day in the finals. Great!! We can start an all white guy starting lineup!!! :rolleyes:

PG - Nash
SG - Jacobsen
SF - Cabarkaba
PF - Lampe
C - Okur
 

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