BA on upcoming draft

[Catfish]

Opinion: In order for the Cards to select a QB (anywhere) in this draft, it would have to be the guy that Keim and BA both believe is the absolute successor to Palmer when he retires. Otherwise they will use every pick possible to strengthen our roster so as to be able to compete with Seattle and San Francisco in their attempt to get to the Super Bowl at the end of the 2014 season in our house.

 

[GatorAZ]

After hearing B.A. on MJ's show yesterday, I think he really likes Carson Palmer beyond 2014. Unless there is someone available that they really like, all signs point to no quarterback in round one and probably round two.

Sounds like they are looking to put a solid offensive line in place. And that is an excellent strategy IMO. Until that is in place, B.A. can't play long ball as much as he'd like. Other than Lyle Sendlein, he wasn't really singing the praises of the offensive line. He wasn't critical either, but sometimes silence tells you something.

In relation to Whiz' last couple seasons here it would be interesting to know how much say BA has in the draft. My guess is Keim is fully running the show.

 

[Chopper0080]

After hearing B.A. on MJ's show yesterday, I think he really likes Carson Palmer beyond 2014. Unless there is someone available that they really like, all signs point to no quarterback in round one and probably round two.

Sounds like they are looking to put a solid offensive line in place. And that is an excellent strategy IMO. Until that is in place, B.A. can't play long ball as much as he'd like. Other than Lyle Sendlein, he wasn't really singing the praises of the offensive line. He wasn't critical either, but sometimes silence tells you something.

I don't know about liking Palmer after the 2014 season, but I do know Arians isn't going to draft a QB high and then have him sit. If Arians drafts a QB high, he will be starting.

 

[Chopper0080]

The TE from Iowa is opening eyes big time. 6'7" 270 & has the best hands in the draft, including the WR's. Don't be surprised if the Patriots grab this guy & he's an instant game changer.

He is slow and will probably be a 3rd or 4th rounder. Teams are valuing vertical TEs over dual or blocking TEs at this point. I believe most teams will view him as a #2 TE over a #1 due to his speed limitations.

 

[Chopper0080]

We need to possibly look at finding Darnell's replacement a season from next year. He'll be pushing 33 then.

In the mean time you could work someone in during the year, give him experience and keep Darnell fresh.

One name to keep in mind if he's around is Florida States Timmy Jernigan - DD90's alma mater. Seems like he would be a pretty good fit here, considering. He's a consideration trading back and taking in the beginning of the 2nd or late 1st rd's.

Others would be RaShede Hageman - Minnesota, Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh, and Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame.

Two of the above may be available when we pick at 20 and would really give the DL a great fixture for the future.

Brent Urban - Virginia could be had in the 2nd Rd., mtl, but is rising.

Urban's film is real inconsistent which probably keeps him around the 5th round to be honest especially when he showed the same at the senior bowl. His best draft position if he blows up the combine is probably round 3.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

FWIW, I texted my top 3 choices to my friend at Senior Bowl. I said at 20, I like Hageman, Ebron, and Kouandjio.

Easy choice he said: Ebron.

Actually he texted Enron, then I wnet and checked my retirement account and it was still there, so I figured he meant Ebron .

 

[Chopper0080]

FWIW, I texted my top 3 choices to my friend at Senior Bowl. I said at 20, I like Hageman, Ebron, and Kouandjio.

Easy choice he said: Ebron.

Actually he texted Enron, then I wnet and checked my retirement account and it was still there, so I figured he meant Ebron .

My issue with Ebron has been scheme fit, but with all the praise that has been raining down on him, it may not matter. I have to watch more, but everyone I have talked to agrees with your friend. Matchup nightmare.

 

[Totally_Red]

My issue with Ebron has been scheme fit, but with all the praise that has been raining down on him, it may not matter. I have to watch more, but everyone I have talked to agrees with your friend. Matchup nightmare.

I'll be surprised if he's still there at #20.

 

[WildBB]

I'll be surprised if he's still there at #20.

It's a real small chance.

Also Arians was on FoxSports tonight and he reiterated that they want to address both front lines. He did mention a LT hopefully in FA as well. And you can never have enough speed.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'll be surprised if he's still there at #20.

It is hard to say because a lot of what fans read is speculation from people outside the organization or who aren't informed of the priorities of that team. I have seen a ton of draft and websites which don't consider TE a top need for the Cardinals while our TE played the 3rd most snaps of any offensive skill player.

Also, sometimes scouts and GMs are more hesitant to take players with risk while the internet community values the potential more because they don't potentially have a job at stake.

I have seen Ebron as high as the Bills but, while he has talent, I have yet to read a projection that describes the Bills actual use of the TE. I have read the Steelers being an option because they want to become a more traditional offense yet nothing on Todd Haley's historical use of the TE in his scheme.

I could see Ebron going almost anywhere in the first round, but can't say who will pull the trigger.

 

[Hollywood]

I hope this is the focus of the off season. A solid line will make ALL your skill players better.

 

[clif]

As many have said it will be along the lines OL, DL, or TE. I think it is more likely OL. TE is not a first round position IMO. I love Ebron, but you don't draft those guys in the first round. You can get a very good one later in the draft.

Hageman did not make a huge impression during senior bowl week. I'm not sure he is a 1st round pick. Very talented player, but we need game changers in round 1. Remember there are very few players that are worthy of being their teams top pick and even fewer who actually end of being the one. There must be a total conviction and I just don't see it with many guys just yet.


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[Chopper0080]

As many have said it will be along the lines OL, DL, or TE. I think it is more likely OL. TE is not a first round position IMO. I love Ebron, but you don't draft those guys in the first round. You can get a very good one later in the draft.

Hageman did not make a huge impression during senior bowl week. I'm not sure he is a 1st round pick. Very talented player, but we need game changers in round 1. Remember there are very few players that are worthy of being their teams top pick and even fewer who actually end of being the one. There must be a total conviction and I just don't see it with many guys just yet.


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I disagree with this premise. There should never be a distinction on what positions are first round positions as it should all reflect on the player. If the player has shown production, has the measurables and will get snaps in your system, he should on your radar.

Also, I don't know what about Ebron you shouldn't draft in round 1?

System use? Jim Dray totaled 64% of offensive snaps last year, 3rd highest amoung RB, WR and TE.

Athleticism? Ebron might test as well as some WRs ala Vernon Davis.

Mismatches? Ebron is a matchup nightmare vs linebackers and safeties.

The more I think about Ebron, the more I believe he would be a great weapon for Arians to use. You could move him all over the field, and he offers a vertical element to your big-personnel packages which is what makes Gronkowski so dangerous.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I disagree with this premise.

+1.

If the guy can play then you pick him.

Just like the "rule" you don't draft guards in the top 10 of the draft.....pffft....whatever, if they are game changers then who cares where they play.

Every position has the possibility to take over a game......yes, every position.

 

[Totally_Red]

I disagree with this premise. There should never be a distinction on what positions are first round positions as it should all reflect on the player. If the player has shown production, has the measurables and will get snaps in your system, he should on your radar.

Also, I don't know what about Ebron you shouldn't draft in round 1?

System use? Jim Dray totaled 64% of offensive snaps last year, 3rd highest amoung RB, WR and TE.

Athleticism? Ebron might test as well as some WRs ala Vernon Davis.

Mismatches? Ebron is a matchup nightmare vs linebackers and safeties.

The more I think about Ebron, the more I believe he would be a great weapon for Arians to use. You could move him all over the field, and he offers a vertical element to your big-personnel packages which is what makes Gronkowski so dangerous.

For a guy as special as Eric Ebron, he's a slam dunk if he somehow makes it to #20 IMO. I just have my doubts that he falls that far, especially if he runs a good 40 time in Indy.

With a foursome of Ebron, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd and the Duke, the Cardinals offense has a chance to be scary good, especially if Branden Albert is added in free agency.

 

[clif]

I disagree with this premise. There should never be a distinction on what positions are first round positions as it should all reflect on the player. If the player has shown production, has the measurables and will get snaps in your system, he should on your radar.



Also, I don't know what about Ebron you shouldn't draft in round 1?



System use? Jim Dray totaled 64% of offensive snaps last year, 3rd highest amoung RB, WR and TE.



Athleticism? Ebron might test as well as some WRs ala Vernon Davis.



Mismatches? Ebron is a matchup nightmare vs linebackers and safeties.



The more I think about Ebron, the more I believe he would be a great weapon for Arians to use. You could move him all over the field, and he offers a vertical element to your big-personnel packages which is what makes Gronkowski so dangerous.

Let's be honest. I would absolutely love it if the cards took Ebron. I am of the belief that you can never have too many weapons. I just don't get the vibe from the team that they will go any other way besides addressing the most glaring positions on this team.

We need more beef and toughness across the lines. I can't see that being ignored on day one.


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[Chopper0080]

Let's be honest. I would absolutely love it if the cards took Ebron. I am of the belief that you can never have too many weapons. I just don't get the vibe from the team that they will go any other way besides addressing the most glaring positions on this team.

We need more beef and toughness across the lines. I can't see that being ignored on day one.


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Ok, a preference of OL or DL over TE is something I can understand.

 

[Chopper0080]

For a guy as special as Eric Ebron, he's a slam dunk if he somehow makes it to #20 IMO. I just have my doubts that he falls that far, especially if he runs a good 40 time in Indy.

With a foursome of Ebron, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd and the Duke, the Cardinals offense has a chance to be scary good, especially if Branden Albert is added in free agency.

Don't forget Robert Herron in round 3.

As for base 12 personnel, the group of Fitzgerald, Floyd, Ebron, #2 TE and Ellington does offer a nice blend of size and speed. Even more so if we can become more physical up front.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I'll be surprised if he's still there at #20.

I dont think Ebron gets pass the Jets. They are desperate for playmakers.

I think Dallas scoops up Hageman in the first. Jones finally addresses

his pitiful D.

 

[Totally_Red]

Let's be honest. I would absolutely love it if the cards took Ebron. I am of the belief that you can never have too many weapons. I just don't get the vibe from the team that they will go any other way besides addressing the most glaring positions on this team.

We need more beef and toughness across the lines. I can't see that being ignored on day one.


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Can you imagine Steve Keim actually drafting two Tar Heels in the first round in his first two Cardinals drafts?