Bad news for football.

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First football is an expensive sport and really the most expensive sport for a school district to support. No other sport comes close to needing the amount of money football does. You can probably fund soccer, track, basketball, field hockey, softball and baseball for the amount football cost.


You couldn't be more wrong about the costs.

In most towns, even a decent program, not only more than funds itself, but many other sports at the school as well.
 
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Oh, and the best reason football will always be around.

Money.

Football generates ungodly amounts of money for states, schools, and players.

In America, money means more to most than other people's health.
Exactly. It's America's gladiator sport. And where there's money to be made people will participate.

I understand the rugby rules, but it still happens. I just wonder if the severity is worse than the nfl since it's head-on-head vs some kind of padding.
 

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Not in total cost. Maybe for individual cost however you field many more football players on a team then in hockey. I would estimate that you dress 3-4 times as many players in football as you do in hockey.

I was addressing the costs to parents who have a son or daughter who plays the game.
 

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Football will always be around, but change is inevitable (as society changes).

Let's assume for a moment that we remain a bloodthirsty "win at all costs" people, BUT fans are upset that season-ending injuries to QB's can mean the end of a team's season before it has barely begun.

For this reason plus the heavy dollar investments in QB's, I could see all levels of football dressing up the QB in a virtual Tutu and limiting all contact with him to touch footballl rules.

It'll never happen, right? Think about it: If a QB was considered "tackled" as soon as he was touched by an opposing player, would it significantly change how the game was played? (Aside from limiting the collision-aspect of the sport, not really. The dude could still run, hand off and throw - it's just that the whistle would blow as soon as he was touched).

I cynically don't feel this change would be driven by society's desire to be less blood-thirsty; but more from issues having to with competitiveness and money.
 

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I think cost is more relevant in the youth aspect and the cost to parents .... on the whole, hockey will cost more to parents and cost more at the youth level

However, this article seems to be a bit on the alarmist side

Pop Warner participation hit an alltime high something like 2 years ago - so they are down 5% from an almost record high level of participation

It was a couple years ago my brother pulled his sons from Pop Warner - mainly because of the head impacts ..... they can play flag until they are older/more developed

I think the alternative options are also having a big impact - flag leagues are popping up all over the place for youth and seem to be pretty popular

Even with that there is no shortage of people who want to play - it's not like the past 20 years have been spent searching for an answer on how to find more football players - it's everywhere and not going anywhere anytime soon

The bigger threats are the ones mentioned above and common now in almost all levels of youth sports - the year around specialization, the factories even at a school level - it's gone beyond the traditional prep academy to actual public schools .... the business of it may push out some kids as it can stop being fun, but those kids aren't the ones who we'd be watching on the weekend as far as the larger conversation
 

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Exactly. It's America's gladiator sport. And where there's money to be made people will participate.

I understand the rugby rules, but it still happens. I just wonder if the severity is worse than the nfl since it's head-on-head vs some kind of padding.

Concussions are like snow flakes. No two are alike.

I think basketball has the most dangerous atmosphere for concussions personally. On a hardwood floor, jumping into the air over and over, and no helmet.
 
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When I say football will go the way of boxing, I don't mean football will disappear. No way that will happen. Boxing is still around, and football will stay around too. It will gradually get more and more on the margin.
 

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When I say football will go the way of boxing, I don't mean football will disappear. No way that will happen. Boxing is still around, and football will stay around too. It will gradually get more and more on the margin.

Haven't people been talking about banning boxing for like a 100 years?
 
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Haven't people been talking about banning boxing for like a 100 years?

Yeah, back when it was, far and away, the most popular sport. Now, most people couldn't name two active boxers if they had to to save their lives.
 

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Most people will forget about all this in 5 years like they do with everything else.

People won't forget. The concussion issue will only get worse andn worse with the current generation of players who are much bigger, stronger, and faster than their predecessors but with the same size brains. My guess is the effects that we see now are going to be tame vs what this current crop of players exhibits at the same age. All it takes would be a horrible situation like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady drooling on himself with a degenerative brain disease on 60 Minutes and the already dwindling participation would only spiral. And I'd be willing to bet something like that does happen in next 10 years.

Money.

Football generates ungodly amounts of money for states, schools, and players.

In America, money means more to most than other people's health.
Agree and nothing will stop football, it will just reduce in popularity. Less Participation = Less Interest = Less Money. It's not a light switch but you'll see it over the course of 30-40 years unless the game makes sweeping rule changes (which could also diminish its popularity).
 

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Yeah, back when it was, far and away, the most popular sport. Now, most people couldn't name two active boxers if they had to to save their lives.

True. But it's still on HBO and Shiwtime on a regular basis with sold out crowds.
 

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I hate to say this, and will probably get flamed for it, but it doesn't bother me much. It's not even the same game I watched when I was a kid. I wouldn't even necessarily say it's better now (granted, as a kid your emotions and the way you see things adds a nostalgia effect).

Don't get me wrong, I watch a lot of football, every game I can possibly watch when the games are on, and I hate the offseason and the waiting, but I think I would survive. I grew up also watching a lot of boxing, basketball, tennis, tons of sports, and now I only watch Football for various reasons. Things change, times change. And when I really look at it, the sport of football, it's already been heading in the arena-league type variety of sport in my opinion. And it's been heading that way for a long long time.

I do have a difference in opinion though when it comes to the argument that they're just entertainers and that teachers and firemen etc should be paid the same or more than entertainers (be they sports figures, actors, whatever). I disagree with that argument. Surely a teacher is more important than a football player on an intellectual level but there are complexities in the argument that few people even contemplate or address. If you were to dump all those billions into education (k-8 say) then you're also going to have to deal with the corruption and the nastiness (and it can get brutally nasty) that comes with it. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try, obviously, but realize that the victims in a corrupt education system would be children and families. Not that they aren't already corrupt, but we're talking about a whole 'nother level of corruption. With firemen or policemen, I could see corrupt firemen or cops setting their own fires or committing crimes merely to increase their budget (or their bonus) if the system were flooded with billions of dollars. Sure, that may already happen, but again we're talking scale and the victims would be normal, everday dudes.

That being said, I'd rather my teachers, firemen, policemen did those things for a "higher" reason than merely monetary. They deserve to be paid better, obviously, but I think it's more complicated than simply dumping billions of dollars into an industry.

I also strongly disagree with the notion that entertainers are unworthy of the money they make. I think they deserve it and probably more. What are we without entertainment, culturally? Take it all away or make them do it out of the goodness of their hearts and what are we? There's something to be said for entertaining billions and billions of hard working people. Entertainment spreads the culture of those doing the entertaining, whether they're writing books, making movies, inventing facebook, whatever. That's a pretty high calling in my opinion. I believe without proper (and constant) entertainment we'd all be wound so tightly we'd snap. Maybe thousands of years ago it was possible to kick rocks or whatever for entertainment, but nowdays it has to be mass produced and distributed to reach as many people as possible. It also has the added benefit of keeping most people as docile as sheep--without it we'd be cutting off heads.

Just my .02 cents.
 
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If people want to huddle in their houses scared of the world, that is fine with me, but don't complain when you look back at your life and your highlights are all TV shows you watched, and video games you played.

Damn, this was quite a statement. Very thought provoking.

This was my first year assistant coaching youth tackle football (ages 10-11). This is the age where you really start to get some kids who separate themselves athletically, and they can really deliver a blow when making a tackle or peel back block. As much as I love football, and thoroughly enjoyed coaching, as a parent sometimes you do wonder is the risk worth the reward at this young age? The local flag leagues are overflowing with kids who have been taken out of tackle football. Perhaps it's ok to play flag and go back to tackle once high school starts, but it sure feels like you would be playing catch up at that point.

Anyway, good discussion overall. The NFL's not going anywhere for generations to come, but I can tell you first hand that upper/middle class families are steering their kids away in droves from this great sport.

Better safe than sorry to most, but will they be left with memories only of video games played??

Speaking of video gamers, do you know how many of those F'ers are making 6 figures? Check out the HBO Real Sports special on "League of Legends"....just make sure you are sitting down.
 

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