Batted Balls: Height or mechanics??

[kerouac9]

So if Kyler was 6’1” none of his passes would have been batted down? Even the greatest and tallest qb’s have balls batted down.

Will it be a problem? Sure, at some time. Is it enough to negate his ability? I’d say no.

Nice straw man, but Murray had three batted balls in his first game. I can't find batted balls stats, but how many did, say, Matthew Stafford have? Zero?

Maybe Murray has zero passes batted down the rest of the season. But that doesn't change the fact that the Murray Hype Beasts here said that he had zero batted passes in college and so his height wasn't a problem and then in his first 60 dropbacks he has 3 knocked down behind the line.

 

[slanidrac16]

Nice straw man, but Murray had three batted balls in his first game. I can't find batted balls stats, but how many did, say, Matthew Stafford have? Zero?

Maybe Murray has zero passes batted down the rest of the season. But that doesn't change the fact that the Murray Hype Beasts here said that he had zero batted passes in college and so his height wasn't a problem and then in his first 60 dropbacks he has 3 knocked down behind the line.

I do understand the concern. I really do. However I think it’s something that he will work on with a little pocket movement.

 

[JeffGollin]

Hmmm,. Let's see - four batted passes in a tie game.

Think it could be the key factor in the outcome?

 

[slanidrac16]

Hmmm,. Let's see - four batted passes in a tie game.

Think it could be the key factor in the outcome?

Maybe. Then maybe one of them would have been a pick 6. Lol

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

One thing that I noticed about Murry is that he pats the ball before he passes, especially in high-leverage situations. This is a problem that I'm surprised hasn't been coached out of him by his dad. Not sure it's a habit that can be broken at this point.

It basically takes some of the air out of Murray's quick release and lets opponents know to get their hands up. Weird habit.

Unless he also pats the ball occasionally when he isn't throwing to keep them guessing. Otherwise yeah if he is only doing right before the pass than it is an issue.

 

[HGC]

It’s certainly cause for concern. They can fix it.

 

[Vacard]

Nice straw man, but Murray had three batted balls in his first game. I can't find batted balls stats, but how many did, say, Matthew Stafford have? Zero?

Maybe Murray has zero passes batted down the rest of the season. But that doesn't change the fact that the Murray Hype Beasts here said that he had zero batted passes in college and so his height wasn't a problem and then in his first 60 dropbacks he has 3 knocked down behind the line.

But can it be fixed?? I think Cousins had like 3 batted balls yesterday. And he's 6'3.

 

[CardLogic]

The Detroit line had definitely been coached to do that and we will see it every game now. A couple of those batted balls, the guy really wasn't even rushing, just watching Murray and hoping to get his hands into the passing lane.

Post game press conference mentioned the the Lions DL was filling lane and not full out rushing the QB, due to Murray's mobility. I'll settle for the batted passes over our QB getting sacked all day; any day!

But yeah sure, it is something that Murray/Kingsbury need to work on.

 

[Solar7]

It's hard to say it's not height. I don't think it's something he can just blindly overcome. The rest of his career, it will probably be an issue, and one of the major things defenses preach against him.

That said, I don't think it can't be considered in scheme. KK finally has his own tape on his own guy in real game-speed situations. Just like Jake Plummer, some designed bootlegs or other types of movement might be a possible way to allay some of those issues. As he slows down later on, it might be a problem, but I'll worry about that when he gets old enough for it to show.

 

[Rohinaz]

It was part of the lions gameplan. We can adjust and plan for it. It causes the d line to be less aggressive and we can exploit that. As other stated, pulp fake will help and delayed runs

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[football karma]

it can be both

height means no margin for error

he has to learn ..

 

[kerouac9]

Post game press conference mentioned the the Lions DL was filling lane and not full out rushing the QB, due to Murray's mobility. I'll settle for the batted passes over our QB getting sacked all day; any day!

But yeah sure, it is something that Murray/Kingsbury need to work on.

He was sacked five times.

 

[Jasper]

You have to make a guy pay. In the Chargers game, last year's defensive rookie of the year jumped up to bat down a Philip Rivers pass. The OL planted him in the ground and knocked the wind out of him. The guy had to leave for a play. He did not bat down another pass all game, that I noticed.

I would like this.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Sam Darnold had three batted balls today. Its not height. It's mechanics.

No, because Darnold has mechanic problems to begin with, so that makes sense for him... it's freaking height at the moment for Murray, and his inaccuracy early is due to his foot work and probably even more so being a little too high strung for game one

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Post game press conference mentioned the the Lions DL was filling lane and not full out rushing the QB, due to Murray's mobility. I'll settle for the batted passes over our QB getting sacked all day; any day!

But yeah sure, it is something that Murray/Kingsbury need to work on.

Well he was sacked 5 times, too...

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[AZ Native]

The only thing I found was an article on Kirk Cousins from last season, they said he was on pace for 32 batted balls and the NFL record was 23 in 2006 but they didn't say who that QB was...the article, interestingly enough, was about the Cardinals batting down 5 of his passes when we played them last year.

So the NFL record is 23 for batted down balls and Kyler has 4 in one game? Yeah, that is an issue.

 

[Ragnar]

Ahhh watching the Broncos,Raiders right now and Flacco’s had 2 batted balls so far in the 1st half and he’s what 6’6”

 

[gimpy]

He just had another one a couple of minutes ago.

 

[unseenaz]

6’6 Flacco with 4 batted balls is just too damn short to play QB

 

[Jasper]

What’s the remedy for batted balls?
How is coached out? Is it launch angle, throwing motion or footwork? Maybe the dline was able to time Kyler’s throwing motion.

 

[Vacard]

What’s the remedy for batted balls?
How is coached out? Is it launch angle, throwing motion or footwork? Maybe the dline was able to time Kyler’s throwing motion.

He has to learn how throw between the seems in the NFL like Brees does. He perfected it.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It's hard to say it's not height. I don't think it's something he can just blindly overcome. The rest of his career, it will probably be an issue, and one of the major things defenses preach against him.

That said, I don't think it can't be considered in scheme. KK finally has his own tape on his own guy in real game-speed situations. Just like Jake Plummer, some designed bootlegs or other types of movement might be a possible way to allay some of those issues. As he slows down later on, it might be a problem, but I'll worry about that when he gets old enough for it to show.

I'll say it, it's not height (at least not completely). Shorter QBs certainly have to be a little more aware of throwing lanes than taller QBs, but ultimately they all have to worry about that. Brees is the prime example of this to me as he is only about 2" taller than Murray and almost exclusively throws from the pocket. The reason he can play that way at his height is because he is very good at finding throwing lanes so that defensive lineman can't rely on batting down a bunch of his passes.

 

[HoodieBets]

If you ever watch brees he plays on his tippy toes maybe Murray can learn the same. Also I’m more concerned with him continuously throwing flat footed and no step through.


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[JeffGollin]

Batted balls are a fact of life. Deal with it or "die."

 

[CardNots]

If you ever watch brees he plays on his tippy toes maybe Murray can learn the same. Also I’m more concerned with him continuously throwing flat footed and no step through.


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Interesting kyler seemed to throw flat footed more so than I had seen previously. First game nerves or coaching?