BC said cap space would help with trades!

[Dave64]

Is the Nash signing the first step in a process that will involve a trade? BC clearly stated that the cap space would allow us to make trades by having a lot of flexibility. Thoughts?

 

[sly fly]

Is the Nash signing the first step in a process that will involve a trade? BC clearly stated that the cap space would allow us to make trades by having a lot of flexibility. Thoughts?

translation: not done dealing.

 

[JerkFace]

Is the Nash signing the first step in a process that will involve a trade? BC clearly stated that the cap space would allow us to make trades by having a lot of flexibility. Thoughts?

i think BC mentioned that just in case we missed out on the free agents on our short list. it would give the fans some hope. the only player i could see us trading this offseason is marion, and since he is a max player any extra cap space we may have would be meaningless.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yep. I'd guess that our next FA might come through "sign and trade."

Sell the player, then sell his team. Our pieces to offer might be:

A first round pick next year.
Shawn Marion
Jake Voshkul
Casey Jacobsen
Rights to Milos

 

[slinslin]

I think there is no way Marion will be offered. I don't think he was ever on the block really.

Sure if you could have gotten a TMac cheaply for Shawn Marion you would do it.

But otherwise Marion's stock is low right now so you don't sell. Marion and Nash will be a great tandem. No reason to give up on the Matrix now.

 

[George O'Brien]

I think there is no way Marion will be offered. I don't think he was ever on the block really.

Sure if you could have gotten a TMac cheaply for Shawn Marion you would do it.

But otherwise Marion's stock is low right now so you don't sell. Marion and Nash will be a great tandem. No reason to give up on the Matrix now.

I think Marion is a big part of the reason they got Nash. Marion was huge when he had Kidd running the offense, but Marbury never really liked to run the break. I'd made it clear I felt that Brent Barry would be a much better value (and that was when I thought Nash would only start at $7 million), but the one thing Nash had over Barry is that Nash is great at running the break.

Nash is not as good a pure shooter as Barry, but he is pretty good. He shot 47% from the field and 40.5% for three this past season. It will be interesting seeing how opponents react to having a strong shooter at PG when tempted to zone.

 

[3rdside]

just finished work for the week, tired as hell but am going to sleep easy thinking of nash whooping it up with marion and amare on the break.

great move suns.

 

[Cheesebeef]

yeah - can't wait to see the discrepency at the foul line between the Suns and their opponents next year - great another guy who stays away from the foul line - that gives us 3 of 4 positions on the floor who never go to the foul line - that's another good thing! Great move guys! Here's to mediocrity!

Sorry - just had to be an ass for my last post of the night - I've never felt like this about the Suns - it sucks - I have more faith in the Cards future than I do my favorite team - that makes me very sad.

 

[George O'Brien]

Nash not getting the foul line much is not a big concern to me. I'm much more concerned about his defense. On offense, he will be very effective since he is a great assist guy who runs the break very well, plus he is a fine outside shooter. Unfortunately, he is a weak defender on a team that was outscored by 3 ppg last season.

 

[cly2tw]

For a team without real stars, the Pistons got to the line a lot, and a lot more than the Lakers, in the finals. How come? Hope JJ develops into a quasi go-to scorer to some extent. But he is never gonna be bigger version of Rip. Rip is a better version of Reggie Miller with the stroke and the drives to the basket. JJ will best become a Pippen type player, which would be a great achievement though.

 

[3rdside]

How's this for a short summary - we trade marbury for nash whereby saving about 30%, for a player who will fit this team a whole lot better than marbury ever would.

I like it.

 

[George O'Brien]

For a team without real stars, the Pistons got to the line a lot, and a lot more than the Lakers, in the finals. How come? Hope JJ develops into a quasi go-to scorer to some extent. But he is never gonna be bigger version of Rip. Rip is a better version of Reggie Miller with the stroke and the drives to the basket. JJ will best become a Pippen type player, which would be a great achievement though.

I'm disinclined to use the term "never" when describing young players. Magic Johnson was a terrible outside shooter when he first came up and people said he would never be any good as a shooter. But in later years, he became a great shooter.

I firmly believe that JJ has only just begun to tap his talent. Over the past three years, I watch him show incredible moves worthy of any of the great players. The problem was not that he couldn't do it, it was just that he didn't do it on a consistent basis.

I am hoping he is using this off season to work on expanding his game. He is not a terrible outside shooter, but he could become a pretty good one with work. He needs to learn to dribble in traffic without getting stripped so often. An I would really love to see him develop his left hand for dribbling along with a crossover move, so he could go left or right.

JJ and Shawn should be working on moving without the ball. Having Nash at PG means they will be more likely to get the ball passed to them than under Marbury.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Rip's been a stud since he stepped onto the court in college - hell even before that - the only guy that used to beat him in High School was KObe - Rip led UCONN to one of the biggest upsets ever of Duke in the National Title game and has NEVER shied away from the big shot - confidence isn't bred into players - it's born - and that is scares me about everyone on this team except for Amare - especially when people make the argument that JJ could be a bigger, stronger version of Rip - there's no comparison between the two.

 

[George O'Brien]

Rip's been a stud since he stepped onto the court in college - hell even before that - the only guy that used to beat him in High School was KObe - Rip led UCONN to one of the biggest upsets ever of Duke in the National Title game and has NEVER shied away from the big shot - confidence isn't bred into players - it's born - and that is scares me about everyone on this team except for Amare - especially when people make the argument that JJ could be a bigger, stronger version of Rip - there's no comparison between the two.

Which is why the Wizzards traded him away.

Not every strong player is a star right away. In any case, late in the season JJ showed the willingness and ability to take the big shot late in the game.

I honestly believe JJ's main problem was Marbury. Stephon's idea of a good teammate is a catch and shoot guy who gets the ball from Marbury after he has driven toward the basket and has been cut off with seconds to go. As soon as Marbury was gone, JJ's production rose dramatically and more importantly his assists grew as teams started double teaming him.

If you compared JJ's post Marbury stats to those of Hamilton, you will find them pretty similar. Hamilton is a better outside shooter but JJ showed tremendous improvement in that area as well. JJ is much bigger (over 30 pounds heavier) and was a better rebounder.

I expect much more from JJ this year with the team running more. He should benefit from getting the ball on the run rather than having to make his own shot all the time and he should benefit from having a proven long distance shooter at PG.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How's this for a short summary - we trade marbury for nash whereby saving about 30%, for a player who will fit this team a whole lot better than marbury ever would.

I like it.

our pg also got 3 or 4 years older and that's A LOT for a pg who relies on his quickness.

i don't like it.