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Beanie was a better back than Stewart in College and better than McFadden in college in my opinion. Is he the next Peterson as far as production?, we will see. Wells is a very very talented back and the chances of him doing well in the NFL are better than average. The draft is a gamble but we have drafted the closest thing to a franchise back according to a player's performance in college that the Cardinals have ever acquired.
 

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I really don't see much of a reason to doubt him, if you truly are outproducing yourself it would show up in 184 carries. Turner was another guy that was averaging 57 carries in his first 4 seasons before being unleashed in Atlanta. Stewart's 184 touches is a substantial amount in my mind and I don't see any reason to believe he's outperforming his true talent. If he averaged 4.5 ypc over 50 carries than yes, I would definitely have more doubts but 184 is much more significant.

I noticed the YPC trend you mentioned in your edit as well, but look at Michael Turner's game log:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6913/gamelog;_ylt=AqwsJCTFSf29B3SEpRqGVoj.uLYF

There are a lot of games in there where he was averaging numbers that you would expect from Edge, not the leagues 2nd leading rusher.
His limited playing time and limited time in the NFL is always reason for pause. Trung Candidate looked like the next Marshall Faulk for a while there. It's not a knock on Stewart just a reason for pause.

Second, he's in a very run friendly offense. I have the same reservations about a guy like Derrick Ward that was in a very good system but not the focus of each week's defense.

Third, the plus 15 carries stat is an amber flag(if there was such a thing). Not a red flag but it isn't like a couple of the times he went over 15 his ypc dropped, it was EVERY time.

He looks like he could be a good back but the last stud out of the Pac-10 that I thought would make it was JJ Arrington. You can just never tell for sure.
 

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by performance I do not mean numbers but watching his style of play, if numbers were the reason alone JJ Arington would be a pro-bowler. Well's game in college seems to point he will do well in the pros.
 

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No F'ing way.

You have some bias here and I am not sure what it is (As do I to the other side) There is no measurable, stat, or logical subjective opinion where Stewart was better then Beanie.


Stewart did it for one year in a weaker defensive conference and had an injury question mark too. He was drafted higher because of the RB needs, the fact that many late round RB's last year made teams pause on burning a 1st rounder, and even then was the same number of RB taken in the draft (3rd). Beanie is the far superior prospect in every manner.
To the bolded part -Wow, biased much?

I've watched Jon since he was a freshman and I felt that Stewart was the best back in his draft class and would have been the first one taken in this one. He was not a OYW like you say he was, unless you want to throw out his 2006 season where he was 17th in the nation in regards to all-purpose yards and ran over 1000 yards even though he was still splitting carries....? :mulli:

And Beanie is not far and away the better prospect. Not even close, chief. They are comparable prospects for sure and I liked Stewart as a prospect more than I did Beanie. I like Stewart's speed/strength/vision combination to Wells' when we're talking about comparison to AP. No more, no less. You disagree. Fine.

And I do not have a bias against Beanie nor do I disagree that Beanie probably would have been taken ahead of Stewart. Just because I feel that 2008 Beanie was not the same as 2007 Beanie or felt that Knowshon Moreno was better does not mean I am against him. Here is what I've written about Beanie Wells as a prospect a few weeks before the draft -
Anyway, Beanie Wells has all the physical tools and the most upside of any runner in this draft. On paper, I love Beanie and want him on the Cards ASAP. Few people would argue that, but the big question mark about his toughness - I’ll simply say this, if Beanie Wells had the personality of Knowson Moreno he’d be a Top 10 lock. When I watch him he’s impressive but my spidey-sense kicks in a little bit. For a bigger back he plays a bit more finesse than one would like to see from someone that big a la Michael Bush. Wells is really stiff and doesn’t show much fluidity when he runs. While he does have good leg power, I would like to see his lower body get bigger. He’s thin down there in comparsion to his upper body. He’s going to thrive in a ZBS because of his cutting ability. My comparison – Larry Johnson
But I'll bet you whatever you like Beanie gets more yards and more 100 yard games next year then Jstew got in Carolina last year. Maybe even moreso then Stew this year. Hell Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, and Steve Slaton had better numbers then him last year. I am not saying they are better backs but REAL numbers aren't inconsequential either
And Matt Forte, Chris Johnson and Steve Slaton didn't have another established first round running back (another fine RB prospect) in DeAngelo Williams on their roster. All three were given the keys from day one. I would hope that Beanie has more success than Stewart's rookie year - I would be concerned if he can't beat out Breadtruck.
You have misconceptions of his tougness and running style and that doesn't seem like its going to die easy so I guess the proof will have to be in the pudding next year.
I've said this since draft day. I have no problem with waiting until the season to see if Beanie was simply being careful last year.
But as much as I repect your knowledge of NCAA football your dead wrong here.
I think it's more like we disagree than I'm dead wrong.
 

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Hopefully next season fans of all the other teams will be saying "Oh great, not another we should have drafted Beanie Wells thread."
 

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The one thing that may keep Beanie from being the top running back in this years draft on just a yard basis is the talent and skill of our offensive line in opening up holes for him.

Beanie likes to run up the gut and not around the end as much.I don't see an argument with Stewart and De'Angelo Williams as they are two very different type runners and each play calls for a different type back.Williams gets around the end awesomely and Stewart is the bull coming over the middle or in the power runs.

Its great in the NFL if you don't have to wear your RB's down to only a four year shelf life.The latest NFL model is to have a running back by committee anyway.It works best.If the lambs lose Jackson they don't have anyone to get the job done behind him.

I'm glad we have Timmy to push Beanie also.Hightower learned an awfull lot from Edge and thats why he gave him his first gameball.Now its time for Hightower to bring Beanie into the fold even if it takes carries away from him,which I think it will.

I think we will have a three man backfield.I think they all will get thier carries,unless one of them is weak at pass blocking.We are a pass first team and even Beanie isn't good enough to change that.

Wells will make carries that none of us saw out of any Cardinal back last year.Thats a given.Whether he stays healthy all year and does'nt hit the perverbial rookie wall will be on Coach Whiz to make sure he is well rested.I think coach will handle him just fine.I also hope he can pick up the offense VERY FAST as he will come in behind,coming in late after graduation.

If Beanie can learn to pass block and also pick up the plays he will miss then he will get his playing time.It may take him a few weeks into the season to hit his stride but he will make us all very proud he is ours.

I see a lot of Jackson in Beanie.I don't see many runs past 40 yards.He will be caught from behind on the very long runs in the NFL.AP won't.

Who cares? We got one heck of a running back at pick #31.The number Beanie had to wear at the combine for the running backs.So it was made to order.I also doubt Beanie has had anything like the NFL weight training process he is fixing to be put through either.

My biggest worry is that his toe problem becomes like LT's has been in the past 2 years.A toe can ruin a running back with all that talent.I just hope it is behind him.Don't mean to be a Debbie downer.I think that is the only reason Moreno was taken in front of him.I myself liked Brown who the Colts got.They also have run blocking problems.

I think the sweater vest took it too easy on Beanie and the coddling time is over for him.Its time to take the next level step upward.I think he will make that step if he can stay healthy.Here's to the awesome playaction plays we're gonna run this season.Warner can run a mean ball fake when we have a real weapon to worry about.
 

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JerseyGirl, I have 7 million af$n riding on Beanie and 1300+, at I believe 83 yds a game on the ground... I should have stifled back then but I let my heart talk and I did not heed your correct advice.. Point taken.
 
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JerseyGirl, I have 7 million af$n riding on Beanie and 1300+, at I believe 83 yds a game on the ground... I should have stifled back then but I let my heart talk and I did not heed your correct advice.. Point taken.

LOL. Just trying to avoid the Hextalls. (Don't ask. Family thing surrounding Flyers goaltender Ron Hextall. Basically a curse kinda thing. Sucks.) :)
 

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I think Wells will be good. AP is great, and much faster. Not the same back IMO.
 

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Can we wait for Wells to play in a NFL game before we start annoting him the next AP or Ottis Anderson?
Roger that.

The two thing with big RB's you always wonder about are (1) How explosive and (2) How powerful?

The woods are full of big RB's who were a half-step late to the hole, weren't fast enough to get to the corner and lacked the proverbial "second gear" to break long runs. (Translation: Curtis Enos).

But sometimes a big RB who lacks elite speed and explosion can be a huge contributor to his team's offense because he does have elite power (Translation: Jerome Bettis).

How fast, explosive and/or powerful is Beanie Wells? At various times on tape, he's shown the ability to be all three - but not every single time. Plus - he's done it against college (not pro) defenders. On tape, he doesn't look as fast or explosive as AP, but he does seem to run with more power and appears fast and explosive enough.

It's exciting to imagine how good Beanie can be (and what that might mean for our offense). But like Goober Man says - let's see what he looks like in a real NFL game dodging "live" bullets.
 

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I predict Beanie's greatest gift in the NFL as a running back will be his ability to break tackles and make a few more yards.Just what Edge could'nt do last year to help the team make first downs.

We always had to count on Warner to make that third down pass due to no chance at risking a running play for 3 or more yards.Plus the defense also knew we would'nt ever try to run Edge for that far either.

I hope we have the guy now other teams will fear that can break tackles and make that third down.Its really gonna help the pass game.Can't wait.
 

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Welcome Doug to the board! Your posts are welcome please write more of them..
 

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Ottis Anderson?

Kind of off topic, but I recently had the chance to look at some old footage of Ottis Anderson and they simply do not make running backs that look like that anymore. That dude was simply a freak of nature. Kind of like the bearded lady at the circus. (Thanks Wolf)
 

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Not since AP have a seen a RB with this kind of strength/speed/vision. If he stays healthy he is going to tear it up.

Yes, I started another Wells thread.

When the Commish announced the pick, I texted my son "Looks like we just got our Eric Dickerson!"

Yes, I think Beanie can be that good!
 

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Doug, listen to the latest Podcast. It supports your point to not forget Tim Hightower. He is ready for the challenge. We may have our two back tandem in place for the next three years.
 

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I will say this about Wells, not many people will run him down in the NFL as many seem to expect...the kid is more than fast enough to make a few big plays, in other words Wells could take one fifty yards
 

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and for any CBs that catch up to him, they will see one of the finest stiff arms to come out of college in a long time to knock them out of the picture, yes I'm very excited with what Wells can do for our running game
 

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I will say this about Wells, not many people will run him down in the NFL as many seem to expect...the kid is more than fast enough to make a few big plays, in other words Wells could take one fifty yards

I think he's got 30-40 yard potential but I'm not expecting a lot of HUGE runs from him. Safeties and corners will be able to run him down, I don't think his 2nd gear is THAT good. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
 

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we will see 187, at least we finally know we have the potential at back to take the ball past a 25 yard run and it will be fun to watch the kid.
 

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