Beanie not playing today against Seattle

[Cbus cardsfan]

I posted this in another thread, and I think I'm going to be reposting it a lot:

Finally, a voice of reason.

 

[Stout]

Donald, all well and good, except that you undermine your own point. Sure, he played hurt last year...and sucked completely, because he was completely ineffective, because...he is fragile and he was hurt. He gets hurt far too often and easily, freak injuries, reactions to medicine or no, and it has killed his effectiveness on this team. How many good games have we had from him in three years?

 

[Shane]

Shane is a professional bunkologist. He takes scientific facts and calls them bunk, so of course he's going to take smart decisions like taking field conditions into consideration as uber-bunk.

(I would have held Beanie out myself - I've hurt a tweaked hammy on wet grass personally and it bothered me for months, kept reaggravating.)

Oh no you tweaked a hammy on wet grass once in your life? Wow you must be a hammy expert now. I'm betting the reason you kept re aggravating it is because it initially happened on wet grass no doubt. If it had happened on dry grass you would have healed straight away with no issues whatsoever.

PUSS! :head2head:

 

[Shane]

Donald, all well and good, except that you undermine your own point. Sure, he played hurt last year...and sucked completely, because he was completely ineffective, because...he is fragile and he was hurt. He gets hurt far too often and easily, freak injuries, reactions to medicine or no, and it has killed his effectiveness on this team. How many good games have we had from him in three years?

Like 3

 

[Shane]

So, you don't think it's more likely to aggravate a pull when the field conditions are slippery .

Using that theory, let's say a RB is coming back from arthroscopic knee surgery and can play but the game is on Metrodome turf but the following week is on grass. Is it smart to rest him one more week, or subject that knee to the pounding of hard turf? He's good enough to play. In reality, guys get held out for situation like these all the time. I wouldn't call it bunk.

Even with the rain yesterday I dont recall a bunch of slipping going on? It rained for about 5 minutes of the first QTR..

Beanie slips regardless of turf conditions so we may as well just bench him the rest of the year because he may slip and aggravate that thing again.

Of course your not gonna agree with it he is from THE OHIO STATE... Nothing more really needs to be said.

 

[D-Dogg]

Oh no you tweaked a hammy on wet grass once in your life? Wow you must be a hammy expert now. I'm betting the reason you kept re aggravating it is because it initially happened on wet grass no doubt. If it had happened on dry grass you would have healed straight away with no issues whatsoever.

PUSS! :head2head:

LOL.

That's bunk. I'm a damn decent hammy expert.

(it happened on dry grass, and then like a dummy before it was well healed I played on wet grass..slip...ow...lingering).

 

[D-Dogg]

Donald, all well and good, except that you undermine your own point. Sure, he played hurt last year...and sucked completely, because he was completely ineffective, because...he is fragile and he was hurt. He gets hurt far too often and easily, freak injuries, reactions to medicine or no, and it has killed his effectiveness on this team. How many good games have we had from him in three years?

We've had two this year.

 

[Shane]

LOL.

That's bunk. I'm a damn decent hammy expert.

(it happened on dry grass, and then like a dummy before it was well healed I played on wet grass..slip...ow...lingering).

Can you say without a shadow of doubt that you wouldn't have re aggravated that thing on dry grass? Prob not.

I still love ya though!

 

[D-Dogg]

Can you say without a shadow of doubt that you wouldn't have re aggravated that thing on dry grass? Prob not.

I still love ya though!

Anything is possible. Probable though? No way. Probablity of wet grass? Huge.

Not that it really says anything about Beanie and CKW, but that to call it a bunk decision is silly, Dr. Bunkology.

 

[Shane]

Anything is possible. Probable though? No way. Probablity of wet grass? Huge.

Not that it really says anything about Beanie and CKW, but that to call it a bunk decision is silly, Dr. Bunkology.

I didnt ever say the "decision" was bunk... All I have said is to say that this was purely a coaches choice is bunk IMO and pre mature. Of course Whis is gonna say he decided to sit beanie. But the truth could be that Beanie just didnt feel right and told the coach "I cant go" We will never really know for sure. But to just assume this was precautionary and that Beanies hammy might be a little worse than expected is just a little silly IMO. IE Bunk.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I didnt ever say the "decision" was bunk... All I have said is to say that this was purely a coaches choice is bunk IMO and pre mature. Of course Whis is gonna say he decided to sit beanie. But the truth could be that Beanie just didnt feel right and told the coach "I cant go" We will never really know for sure. But to just assume this was precautionary and that Beanies hammy might be a little worse than expected is just a little silly IMO. IE Bunk.

you're basing your bunk on assumptions. That's bunk .

 

[D-Dogg]

I didnt ever say the "decision" was bunk... All I have said is to say that this was purely a coaches choice is bunk IMO and pre mature. Of course Whis is gonna say he decided to sit beanie. But the truth could be that Beanie just didnt feel right and told the coach "I cant go" We will never really know for sure. But to just assume this was precautionary and that Beanies hammy might be a little worse than expected is just a little silly IMO. IE Bunk.

It was my first thought when I saw the field.

Doubt that Beanie would tell CKW "I can't go" because as demonstrated by the post above, he's not a guy that sits out minor injuries, or even major ones. Whether that is a detriment to the team is another story, but he does not have that track record AT ALL. So you look at the field conditions, and what you say is "bunk" is actually quite logical and probable compared to Beanie all of the sudden deciding not to play with an injury. Occam's Razor, bro.


(edited that to make sure the quote from my other post was in there...here it is

Even though he suffered from a rash of injuries - a left ankle sprain, a right wrist sprain and a thumb fracture in 2007; a right foot sprain, turf toe, a hamstring strain and a concussion in 2008 - he only missed three games while compiling enough rushing yardage to rank fourth on the school career record list.

Sitting out minor and major injuries is not the track record for Beanie.

 

[Stout]

Sitting out minor and major injuries is not the track record for Beanie.

Well, the quote you used was from college, not the pros. Sitting out injuries + playing poorly with injuries = Beanie's career thus far.

So, great, this was supposed to be his breakout career...until he can't play in only the third game of the season.

Doesn't matter how much talent you have if injuries kill your career.

-Andre Wadsworth

 

[D-Dogg]

Well, the quote you used was from college, not the pros. Sitting out injuries + playing poorly with injuries = Beanie's career thus far.

So, great, this was supposed to be his breakout career...until he can't play in only the third game of the season.

Doesn't matter how much talent you have if injuries kill your career.

-Andre Wadsworth

he's missed 4 of 35 games in the pros.

still, he doesn't sit out with minor injuries. He wouldn't "take himself out" because of a hammy..that's not his track record.

this is a debunking of Shane here. We'll worry about whether playing with injuries is smart or not on another thread.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So, great, this was supposed to be his breakout career...until he can't play in only the third game of the season.

So you're jumping to the conclusion that his season is ruined because he missed 1 game with a tweaked hammy on a wet field??????? What could have derailed his season is if he played, carried a few times, and then possibly tore the hammy. Dwash didn't play week 2, is his season over? The overreaction by many to Wells being told to sit out on a wet field is mind-boggling to me.

Quote form Somers leading up to the Redskins game:
"It might also be smart for Washington to sit out one game rather than risk aggravating the injury, causing additional time to be missed".

Where was the outrage when this happened?

 

[Stout]

he's missed 4 of 35 games in the pros.

still, he doesn't sit out with minor injuries. He wouldn't "take himself out" because of a hammy..that's not his track record.

this is a debunking of Shane here. We'll worry about whether playing with injuries is smart or not on another thread.

Donald, I have to assume, at this point, that you're deliberately ignoring my point in order to try and win an argument. Sure, he's only missed 4 games, but he has sucked royally in a lot of those games he's played in--because of injury. And that is certainly not debatable, given his horrific play last season. Unless that was just Beanie sucking?

So you're jumping to the conclusion that his season is ruined because he missed 1 game with a tweaked hammy on a wet field??????? What could have derailed his season is if he played, carried a few times, and then possibly tore the hammy. Dwash didn't play week 2, is his season over? The overreaction by many to Wells being told to sit out on a wet field is mind-boggling to me.

Quote form Somers leading up to the Redskins game:
"It might also be smart for Washington to sit out one game rather than risk aggravating the injury, causing additional time to be missed".

Where was the outrage when this happened?

I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I'm looking at his body of work over the past several years and saying that injuries have derailed him almost constantly. You and Donald want to harp that he's only missed a handful of games, but that isn't anywhere near the point. If he plays hurt and sucks because he's hurt, then his injuries are still killing him when he plays. That is very much the point. If he has a nagging hammy injury all season, I see his season going into the tank quite easily.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If he has a nagging hammy injury all season, I see his season going into the tank quite easily.

If is assuming.

Let's see what happens. This is his 1st year with the oppurtunity to be "the guy".

If he stays healthy, I see 1100+ yards and 10+ TD's.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If is assuming.

Let's see what happens. This is his 1st year with the oppurtunity to be "the guy".

If he stays healthy, I see 1100+ yards and 10+ TD's.

IF is not assuming - it's just IF.

Steve

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

IF is not assuming - it's just IF.

Steve

It when you use if, and base your opinion on it. Because you're assuming the IF to, in fact, be what is going to happen. Thus, assuming it to be true.

 

[Stout]

It when you use if, and base your opinion on it. Because you're assuming the IF to, in fact, be what is going to happen. Thus, assuming it to be true.

It isn't just assumption when you're talking about an injury-prone player. It's justifiable assumption

 

[AzStevenCal]

It when you use if, and base your opinion on it. Because you're assuming the IF to, in fact, be what is going to happen. Thus, assuming it to be true.

No, it isn't. It stops being an "assumption" the moment you use the word "if".

Steve

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

No, it isn't. It stops being an "assumption" the moment you use the word "if".

Steve

not IF i say so .

 

[AzStevenCal]

not IF i say so .

Well, if you have the weight of "because I said so" on your side I'm really in trouble now. I thought about firing back with a "neener, neener" but I didn't want to escalate.

Steve

 

[D-Dogg]

Donald, I have to assume, at this point, that you're deliberately ignoring my point in order to try and win an argument. Sure, he's only missed 4 games, but he has sucked royally in a lot of those games he's played in--because of injury. And that is certainly not debatable, given his horrific play last season.

I'm deferring that argument. I've said as much. It's a valid argument.



But I'm also busting Shane's balls right now. I can't let your related argument derail that.

 

[Bert]

I'm deferring that argument. I've said as much. It's a valid argument.



But I'm also busting Shane's balls right now. I can't let your related argument derail that.

Man,,, all this time I thought Shane was a chick...